Publicly bashing perfectly good photos is now apparently a thing

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I saw that a couple of days ago and I completely agree. The framing on some of the 'ameture' photos is a bit off but I wouldn't say that it's a night and day difference between some of the examples.
 
"Publicly bashing perfectly good photos is now apparently a thing"

I didn't see any of that in the article. No bashing, no perfectly good photos, no trend.

Did you post the right link? What I saw were pro shots that looked better (as to be expected) versus okay amateur shots good for memories.

The world record for the 100M is 9.56 seconds. A good high school athlete can do under 11 seconds. That's only a 15% difference, yet represents world fame for the next dozen years versus having your family proud of you. Point is, world class isn't a lot different that average, but that world class is very hard to achieve.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/professional-versus-amateur-instagram-travel-photos-2016-9

At least one of the "amateur" shots is better than their "pro" counterpart IMO, and looking at the tags it seems some of the Pro shots are actually advertisments. Great article there.
There are plenty of non-pro photographers who shoot every bit as good of photos, some even better, than the Pro versions here.

Every photographers shots as a whole, will vary from not worth a second look, to spot on ringers ! Which shots are we comparing here ?

Also, who's to say who is a pro, and who isn't?

Finally, impo, not even too many of the "pro" shots shown here did much for me. The star trails over the sandstone was nice, but the authors comment was rediculous, as that had nothing to do with making the colors pop from the sandstone.

Again, just a pointless article impo.
 
"Publicly bashing perfectly good photos is now apparently a thing"

I didn't see any of that in the article. No bashing, no perfectly good photos, no trend.

Did you post the right link? What I saw were pro shots that looked better (as to be expected) versus okay amateur shots good for memories.

The world record for the 100M is 9.56 seconds. A good high school athlete can do under 11 seconds. That's only a 15% difference, yet represents world fame for the next dozen years versus having your family proud of you. Point is, world class isn't a lot different that average, but that world class is very hard to achieve.
Thanks to go strait to the point!

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I just saw it as an honest and accurate comparison article. For example the Machu Picchu shot, the 2nd one has the top of the mountain cut off. Anybody who knows composition knows that should be included in the shot. Other shots it's more processing but the 1st shots tend to look better. If being honest is bashing so be it.
 
Anybody who knows composition knows that should be included in the shot.
Actually there are composition rules that say that cutting things off is quite ok...

Regards, Mike
 
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The biggest difference I see in most of those shots is down to the time of day, and that's a limitation that most travellers don't have much control over.

Composition comes next, but if the light isn't there, then composition would have to be amazing to extract a decent shot.
 
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Although as a former (very former) high school sprinter, I have to say 11 seconds sounds like the impossible dream! But then, back then the best of the best were a bit slower than now too though, so my time wasn't all that embarrassing. Heh, heh.

Martin makes another good point -- a lot of the difference is in the lighting.

I would add that it is also the accessories that matter. The Fjord (?) pic pro has the woman with the umbrella (I shudder at the thought of it -- you wouldn't get me within 10 meters of that point, and I would consider the umbrella an added risk; I hope she had a safety rope attached somewhere) PLUS the cruise ships maneuvering.

The other striking one is the camels in front of that place that collapsed nearly trapping Indiana Jones! The photographer wasn't lucky to have them there -- s/he arranged it, I am sure.

And so on.

I have a bit of a feeling for this because I am involved with the tourist industry in a tourist destination. I see the cruise passengers, for isntance, come in and take their shots. Sometimes they have good luck and get good light and good activity going on; at other times, the sky is dull, the light is from the wrong direction, or it is outright raining when it needs to be sunny. They have about 8 hours in a place they have never seen before and will never see again, and are moved around in two or four mirror image streams so some people are at one beauty point in the morning and others in the afternoon.

Being on the spot, I can pick my day and my time to take my pictures. Are they always the very best picture? No. Sometimes everything will come together for a visitor who is a decent photog and they will beat my picture. BUT in general, my pix will have an edge if only the best lighting or because I am able to shoot from a position they will not visit.


The tourists are still on the boat as it sails into Rabaul shortly after 6am so they can never get this picture. We are actually just moving into the season when this picture is possible -- because of the position of the sun -- and I will be watching for further opportunities to do this better. I have also reconnoitered a higher viewpoint. A big variable is the smoothness of the sea. In this picture it has a bit more ripple than I consider ideal. it can be smoother.




No cruise ship passenger will get this pic -- again, shortly after 6am, this time at the Kokopo market. Few tourists staying in local hotels would see this either; they are not aware of this early morning activity and most are focused on breakfast (and no harm in that) -- or maybe struggling awake after a lively night at the club bar.




Exactly at sunrise -- the local ferry boats, known as banana boats, coming streaming up to Kokopo beach ready to take passengers to island destinations. As a local, I knew exactly when this would happen and what it would look like, and dwelt on the right weather conditions. Since it happened right on dawn, I had to take a guess at how it would look, and I did the half hour or so walk to the harbor several times over a period of a fortnight or so before I got this shot. Again, few tourists would have ventured out in time to get the picture and unless they had already been out and spotted it, they would not know it was going to happen. And, of course, they would have to luck in on the weather.

I am not claiming that these are world shattering pictures, I am simply trying to make the point that in general, the casual visitor photographer has the odds stacked against them in getting the best pictures of a location.

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Geoffrey Heard
Down and out in Rabaul in the South Pacific
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/professional-versus-amateur-instagram-travel-photos-2016-9

At least one of the "amateur" shots is better than their "pro" counterpart IMO, and looking at the tags it seems some of the Pro shots are actually advertisments. Great article there.
There are plenty of non-pro photographers who shoot every bit as good of photos, some even better, than the Pro versions here.

Every photographers shots as a whole, will vary from not worth a second look, to spot on ringers ! Which shots are we comparing here ?

Also, who's to say who is a pro, and who isn't?

Finally, impo, not even too many of the "pro" shots shown here did much for me. The star trails over the sandstone was nice, but the authors comment was rediculous, as that had nothing to do with making the colors pop from the sandstone.

Again, just a pointless article impo.
 
Meh. It's a critique. However, some that receive a less than glowing critique and have thin skin would call it bashing. No better way to learn than to have your images critiqued. You just have to have the courage to realize you can't take the perfect shot every time you press that shutter.

David
 
"Publicly bashing perfectly good photos is now apparently a thing"

I didn't see any of that in the article. No bashing, no perfectly good photos, no trend.
The article is a series of "this is good, this is bad" examples. It implies that a hobbyist photographer always produces worse results than someone paid to take that photo.
Did you post the right link? What I saw were pro shots that looked better (as to be expected) versus okay amateur shots good for memories.
In the Geiranger photo, the amateur has IMO captured the scene better, since his photo does actually contain the village in question :D

(and the lead-in photograph has probably been taken millions of times, with many amateur photographers achieving comparable results to a paid photographer).
The world record for the 100M is 9.56 seconds. A good high school athlete can do under 11 seconds. That's only a 15% difference, yet represents world fame for the next dozen years versus having your family proud of you. Point is, world class isn't a lot different that average, but that world class is very hard to achieve.
IMO you can't compare something that you can only achieve through years of training to something that comes to some people through natural talent.
no, I won't return to read your witty reply!
O well, I guess that was a waste of time then.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/professional-versus-amateur-instagram-travel-photos-2016-9

At least one of the "amateur" shots is better than their "pro" counterpart IMO, and looking at the tags it seems some of the Pro shots are actually advertisments. Great article there.
There are plenty of non-pro photographers who shoot every bit as good of photos, some even better, than the Pro versions here.

Every photographers shots as a whole, will vary from not worth a second look, to spot on ringers ! Which shots are we comparing here ?

Also, who's to say who is a pro, and who isn't?

Finally, impo, not even too many of the "pro" shots shown here did much for me. The star trails over the sandstone was nice, but the authors comment was rediculous, as that had nothing to do with making the colors pop from the sandstone.

Again, just a pointless article impo.

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Like them or not, it's pretty clear to me that the "pro" shots had much more time and effort put into them.

The Arizona shot, for instance, waiting for the right time of day with the sun just right, probably had a tripod for a long exposure (and possibly had some artificial lighting, I'm really stumped at how to get the trails with the guy standing there and the hills lit up like that without pretty extreme light painting kinda processing).

The Taj Mahal, either waiting for no one to be in scene, or editing them out, looks like some HDS processing with tones all buggered. While I don't like the colors, someone obvious put a lot of work into getting there, and did start by putting the camera in the right place to get the Taj Mahal center, squared up, and the reflection in the pool.

And again on the Machu Picchu, Petra and Iceland's lagoon images, I have to believe there was a lot of effort put into finding a time that there weren't crowds of tourists in the frame.

The Bondi Beach pictures, someone either lucked out or spent time planning and watching weather forecasts.

Most (maybe all) the "professional" photographs likely had a bit more processing done, some a lot more was obviously done.
 
"Publicly bashing perfectly good photos is now apparently a thing"

I didn't see any of that in the article. No bashing, no perfectly good photos, no trend.
The article is a series of "this is good, this is bad" examples. It implies that a hobbyist photographer always produces worse results than someone paid to take that photo.
I would have called them better and okay examples mostly. The hobbyist nearly always is that 1% (or more) behind the professional because they don't push stuff to the edge. Anyone who is a good professional in any field knows there are times when you have to push right out to the ragged edge for a result which will please a client or sponsor -- or simply bring in the $$$ from postcard sales.

And to get that result, you have to be better.
Did you post the right link? What I saw were pro shots that looked better (as to be expected) versus okay amateur shots good for memories.
In the Geiranger photo, the amateur has IMO captured the scene better, since his photo does actually contain the village in question :D

(and the lead-in photograph has probably been taken millions of times, with many amateur photographers achieving comparable results to a paid photographer).
Probably, probably. Or not.
The world record for the 100M is 9.56 seconds. A good high school athlete can do under 11 seconds. That's only a 15% difference, yet represents world fame for the next dozen years versus having your family proud of you. Point is, world class isn't a lot different that average, but that world class is very hard to achieve.
IMO you can't compare something that you can only achieve through years of training to something that comes to some people through natural talent.
Both top athletes and top photographers have natural talent -- but to BE top in either field requires years of training and continuous hard work. As a schoolboy athlete of some ability and later a student of the mind and body, and now 50 years a photographer, I find the analogy compelling.
no, I won't return to read your witty reply!
O well, I guess that was a waste of time then.
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Geoffrey Heard
Down and out in Rabaul in the South Pacific
 

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