News: The M5 is going to be a WONDERFUL CAMERA

Vandyu said:

Nikon labeled their latest series "DL," which now unintentionally stands for "Disappearing Line." Nikon hasn't had the best luck for the past few years, especially due to weather-related problems that affected their production facilities. I suppose the DL models will eventually make it to retailers. I'm not too excited by what I've read so far.

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jonrobertp said:

To replace my 70D...yes !! and use the adapter from B&H...they say everything works...agree , or are there issues ?

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Yannis1976 said:

Do you really believe that this new sensor is that revolutionary that you don't need other features?

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Steve_tEkGuY said:

Well I for one have the A6300 as my travel camera. Bought the 20mm Pancake and to me the image was terrible along with too much distortion. Sold that lens and got the kit pancake which was used and stopped working so now I got the other kit lens the 18-55. The lens is ok and the images are perfect coming from a kit lens but for me this camera has other issues for my intent. I'm not about to pay 1100$ Canadian dollars for a 16-70mm travel lens when the images are just better than OK. My old stellar Panasonic 12-35 F2.8 which cost me less was sharp edge to edge.

One , the battery is terrible , not sure how the M5 will do but my old Panasonic Gx8 battery lasted much longer compared to the A6300 even though on paper the A6300 can take more shots so please don't point me to specs.

The menu system is just terrible.

My camera over heats even after the firmware even when using the faster Extreme Pro Sandisk cards. Over heated during my daughters birthday and missed some videos. The videos where 4 minutes followed by 6 minutes and then 8 minutes and the next video just stopped recording while on tripod. So please don't tell me I should have known because the manual says after 20 plus minutes it will warm up.

The screen is tiny because its not displaying the full image on the back of the LCD but does in the EVF. What a waste of LCD restate.

My old M and my Panasonic when using spot metering the metering was actually aligned with the active focused point where the A6300 cant do that. Spot meter is right in the center . Why ?? this is mirrorless and not a DSLR.

Anytime i shoot 4k Video handheld the video just jumps and creates this weird jello effect as if the world around you was on acid for some drug. Very strange. Never noticed that with my Panasonic but I understand the sensor is smaller.

So 4k Video is out unless completely still or on tripod. May work for others but as a travel camera chances are i'm video my family walking around or just sightseeing. Static shots of the beach are great except I left the camera under the beach towel and overheated just by the power of the sun and would not take a video.

For me yes the M5 technically should work better compared to the A6300.

Now there are many things I do like about the A6300 such as the small compact size. Excellent sensor. The EYE focus is amazing when using a native Sony lens.

The mic pre amps are very clean compared to my Canon gear. It has a working flash.

Clean HDMI and I could use 4:2:2 for green screen when using external recorder. My kids shoot green screen and even with 4k down sampled to 1080p the keying is much easier compared to my T3i.

The focusing is super fast even with the MC11 adaptor and my Canon lenses. The EVF is nice although not as nice as the Gx8 which to me compared to an OVF of a full frame camera.

So as usual I will pop by Henys and test drive the EOSM5 with the new kit lens.

Will wait for more reviews as I have another 6 months to trade in my A6300 and my Sigma MC11 to get half back from the store I bought it from.

Lets see - I encourage others to post their hand on and travel experience with the M5 based on their perspective as we all have different wants and needs.

Thanks for reading.

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Vandyu said:

Yannis said, "However, for me the worst thing about Canon, is that they deliberately cripple their cameras in order to hold on the DSLR market as much as possible..."

FWIW, Nikon does the same thing and they didn't even make it into your list of top 3 manufacturers. Canon and Nikon have long held the top spots, but Nikon has, IMO, been much slower to adapt to changing tastes in camera equipment. I own Nikon and Panasonic equipment, but find the M5 to be very attractive. The Panasonic G series has some nice offerings, but if I'm going to buy into another new system, I prefer a larger sensor than m4/3.

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R2D2 said:

What compels me to stand up on the Mount and shout this for all to hear?

It's because I've shot with a Dual Pixel sensor for more than three years now. :-D

Granted, I was more than a bit skeptical with the idea of the dual pixel sensor before I took the leap and purchased the 70D back in 2013. Not just a new sensor, but an entirely new technology in that sensor. Well to say that I was pleasantly surprised would be a vast understatement. It performed beyond all of my wildest expectations.

I immediately realized that Canon held in its hands a technology that could shift the entire Paradigm, across the complete scope of Digital Photography. I vowed then and there to never buy another camera without a dual pixel sensor. OK, I did sneak in a couple of 1" sensor cameras in the meantime, he he . But I fervently wished that Canon would incorporate this technology in All of their new releases.

So yes, admittedly it's been a long wait to see DPAF finally reach the M-series (I give a nod to Sony and Fuji with their AF advances in the interim). But for those of you who haven't had the experience of using DPAF coupled with that excellent and intuitive touchscreen interface, you are in for a real treat. Be it Stills or Video. Just ask any of the 70D/80D folks out there about it. It really works.

Sure, I know the M5 doesn't tick all of the boxes on everyone's wish lists (no camera can of course), but I truly believe this camera is going to make a lot of people very happy, by way of that wonderful dual pixel sensor.

Put me on that short list. Happy shopping all!

R2

ps. For those curious, here's a (full size) sample from the 70D's older lower-resolution 20 MP dual-pixel sensor. Shot at ISO 800 with zero sharpening or noise reduction...

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R2D2 said:

jonrobertp said:

To replace my 70D...yes !! and use the adapter from B&H...they say everything works...agree , or are there issues ?

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Do you mean the EF/EF-S to M lens adapter?

Adapter

I'm hoping the M5 will autofocus well with my EF/EF-S lenses (vs the earlier M's).

Though not a real biggie for me as long as it's accurate. For faster AF I'll just use dedicated M lenses (or my DSLR for yet even faster AF).

R2

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Rick Knepper said:

R2D2 said:

jonrobertp said:

To replace my 70D...yes !! and use the adapter from B&H...they say everything works...agree , or are there issues ?

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Do you mean the EF/EF-S to M lens adapter?

Adapter

I'm hoping the M5 will autofocus well with my EF/EF-S lenses (vs the earlier M's).

Though not a real biggie for me as long as it's accurate. For faster AF I'll just use dedicated M lenses (or my DSLR for yet even faster AF).

R2

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I was putting my ducks in a row this morning to purchase the M5 when it is released. I had purchased the EF-M lens adaptor for the M3 but sold it as part of a package when I sold the M3. In fact, I bought the version that you linked to for $44 instead of $99. B&H has it for $189. Whaaat?

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DongaMogudu said:

Yannis1976 said:

Hi,

I am not a brand loyalist and have cameras from all three major manufacturers (Panasonic, Olympus and Canon), however I feel that Canon doesn't really want to win in the mirrorless market, be the no1.

The M5 is much better than the M3 and will definitely help you get great pictures (as most cameras today) but compared to the other mirrorless, it just lacks behind in features while being more expensive!!

vs 6300: it lacks the 4K, the weather proof, the lens range (!!) and may be slower in AF

vs m43: depending on which brand you compare it, the only part that M5 is better is the larger sensor! Otherwise, it lacks the 4K photo mode, wp, lens range by a great margin, focus stacking, live composite, panorama.

Do you really believe that this new sensor is that revolutionary that you don't need other features? Personally no, especially at that price level. Unless someone is really a Canon loyalist or has a lot of EF lenses to use, I can't see many reasons to prefer the Canon mirrorless vs the other brands.

However, for me the worst thing about Canon, is that they deliberately cripple their cameras in order to hold on the DSLR market as much as possible...

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Yannis
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127079204@N06/

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It is going to be compared a lot with a6300. But I think M5 is completely different in terms of user interface with marriage between dpaf and touch screen which also acts as touch pad. a6300 doesn't even have a touch screen.

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adventurer69 said:

Yes it is and it's already causing a stir among Sony A6000/6300 users .

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RubberDials said:

adventurer69 said:

Yes it is and it's already causing a stir among Sony A6000/6300 users .

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No it isn't. Where did you get that idea? There is nothing about this camera that interests Axxx users. Are you serious? The only feature it has that isn't on an A6000/A6300 is a touch screen and the Sony users who wanted that bought the A5100.

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RubberDials said:

adventurer69 said:

Yes it is and it's already causing a stir among Sony A6000/6300 users .

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No it isn't. Where did you get that idea? There is nothing about this camera that interests Axxx users. Are you serious? The only feature it has that isn't on an A6000/A6300 is a touch screen and the Sony users who wanted that bought the A5100.

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jonrobertp said:

R2D2 said:

What compels me to stand up on the Mount and shout this for all to hear?

It's because I've shot with a Dual Pixel sensor for more than three years now. :-D

Granted, I was more than a bit skeptical with the idea of the dual pixel sensor before I took the leap and purchased the 70D back in 2013. Not just a new sensor, but an entirely new technology in that sensor. Well to say that I was pleasantly surprised would be a vast understatement. It performed beyond all of my wildest expectations.

I immediately realized that Canon held in its hands a technology that could shift the entire Paradigm, across the complete scope of Digital Photography. I vowed then and there to never buy another camera without a dual pixel sensor. OK, I did sneak in a couple of 1" sensor cameras in the meantime, he he . But I fervently wished that Canon would incorporate this technology in All of their new releases.

So yes, admittedly it's been a long wait to see DPAF finally reach the M-series (I give a nod to Sony and Fuji with their AF advances in the interim). But for those of you who haven't had the experience of using DPAF coupled with that excellent and intuitive touchscreen interface, you are in for a real treat. Be it Stills or Video. Just ask any of the 70D/80D folks out there about it. It really works.

Sure, I know the M5 doesn't tick all of the boxes on everyone's wish lists (no camera can of course), but I truly believe this camera is going to make a lot of people very happy, by way of that wonderful dual pixel sensor.

Put me on that short list. Happy shopping all!

R2

ps. For those curious, here's a (full size) sample from the 70D's older lower-resolution 20 MP dual-pixel sensor. Shot at ISO 800 with zero sharpening or noise reduction...

Sample, click on Original Size

Cheers

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