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there will be an adapter so the C users can mount their big old 35 format lenses on it
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there will be an adapter so the C users can mount their big old 35 format lenses on it
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I don't, however I would expect that in this scenario for Canon to optimize the performance of the new lenses with the new system. Canon would want users to spend $ on a new line of lenses not reuse their old EF glass, and that's where I expect the user resistance with " hey it's a great little camera but my EF glass works better on my DSLR".how do you know the lenses would be limited?And if the new camera does not sell then perhaps Canon will realize that EF lens owners don't want to use an adapter that 'treats' their terrific lenses as legacy glass with limited AF performance as did Olympus.so existing canon users can use their lenses.........less expense and they know they have good lenses, for many it may be the reason they buy the Canon over m4/3rdsthere will be an adapter so the C users can mount their big old 35 format lenses on it
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To their credit Olympus has continued PDAF development to the point where arguably the 4/3 lenses AF as well or better than they did on the Oly DSLRs. But the m.43 lenses AF better. However, an annoying adapter is needed, making lens changing messy when a user has a mix of m43 and 4/3 lenses in their bag.
No. What is the best for someone does not hinge on just these things. Weight of the FUji is also more especially when we go into longer focal length. BEsides a couple of lenses might be missing for some on top of that. But then there is the personal interaction people have which cannot be put into numbers which is the most important thing.
It has not become any higher. A problem for Fuji seems to be that the mount does not allow IBIS to be implemented. No shifting sensor... Ni HiRes mode. Suppose HiRes will be a 1/60s shot. Let's see how Fuji is going to deal with a 3 stop difference in IQ. Because PenF HiRes shots ar emore thna 2 stops ahead of Fuji. A 10 shot 1/60s as some rumours have it will get us a tree stop advantage and a very usable iteration at least on paper it seems.
About a sensible as saying that I will buy an APS-c cam once they catch up with FF sensors. Which they cannot. And never will (at least not at the same time).
cameron2
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It's unlikely to have much effect on m43.
Here's the thing: There are already better bodies out there and widely available for APS-C mirrorless, including the Sony A6300 and a few Fuji bodies.
I do hope that Canon can do well moving forward, but they're in a tough spot. No matter what happens, they have more to lose than they have to gain, and that's an awful position to be in as a company. That said, they've weathered storms before, including the switch from film to digital, so I'm not going to bet against them ...
I think Nikon could have had much more of an impact on m43 if they had allowed their 1" (Nikon 1) system to steal some of their DSLR customers away. Here's why: From a size/weight perspective, there's really no benefit going any smaller than a 1" sensor (e.g. see the failed Q system), because the camera bodies don't get any smaller without losing usability, and the lenses are only noticeably smaller if they're in that 800mm+ (35mm equiv) FL, which won't be bright enough with smaller sensors. The Nikon 1 system, for example, has great reach for birding, but it's tip-toeing on that line of not being bright enough. On the other end of the spectrum, if you go much bigger, e.g. an APS-C sensor, the lenses start to get pretty big and heavy as well, so the "sweet spot" for size and weight is in that 1" to m43 and maybe stretched up to the APS-C range. If the 1" sensor mirrorless bodies had come out before m43, I'd probably have adopted them, and I'd probably still be using them.
For IQ on the other hand (including issues related to higher ISO shooting), it's obvious that current technology allows ever larger sensors to deliver ever improving IQ. So basically you can pick any point on the sensor size spectrum to get the IQ that you're after, from tiny (Q) up to 1" (Nikon 1), 4/3 (Pany/Oly m43), APS-C (Sony, Fuji, Canon), 35mm (Sony, Pany oops I mean Leica), and MF (Hassy).
As for the big threats to camera makers, the existential threat comes from cell phones. Why buy any camera at all if you already have a cell phone? And the camera sales numbers for all of the above reflect that. It is likely that in a few years, several of these camera manufacturers will simply be gone, and that is sad, because they all find ways to bring something special to the party.
Totally agree!!!! For the people that whine about Canon doesnt have M lenses...they are just 1 adapter away to allow ALL canon DSLR users to use their lenses. Talk about a low barrier to entry. Yes the body may not be much smaller, but is the EM1 or GH series small as well? The lenses on MFT are smaller, but Canon users may be willing to sacrifice a bit of size if it means they dont have to buy new lens. The M mount already has a macro, a decent prime, a normal zoom, a longish zoom being introduced with the new body. Its really one long telephoto lens and a few good prime lens away from a very competitive system. Again, an adapter will allow it to use prime lenses from Canon DSLRs. Only two legit complaints are no IBIS and 4k features.
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there will be an adapter so the C users can mount their big old 35 format lenses on it
Fuji and Sony does not have the huge existing user base that Canon and Nikon has. So in effect, Sony, Fuji and mFT is basically starting fresh. Whereas Canon and Nikon is one good mirrorless body and one good native adapter away from keeping their user base from defecting. If the M5 is blazing fast operationally and AF wise, it will steal users from all brands. The Canon users that defected and still have Canon lenses sitting in a closet, chances they may now have a reason to go back to Canon.
DonParrot
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You're right with the adapter. But this also applies to numerous other brands. With a speedbooster adapter, many Canon lenses AF fine on Sony, Oly and Panny cameras (don't know about Fuji). So you could choose any camera you like.
DonParrot
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It won't. If the D500 is the Formula one of C-AF, Canon's dual-pixel C-AF is close to production touring-car racing.
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Or is it?
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Where please is the better Fuji IQ? If I denoise the pics of my E-M5 MKI or my E-M1 to the extent Fuji does, they are more or less on a par noise-wise. Or I don't and am happy about the higher level of details. And of course i don't have to carry all those heavy APS-C lenses.
Well. I'd rather say that the bar is high for the rest of the mirrorless world. Fuji seem to have reached the C-AF performance of an Oly camera that was launched three years ago and you can be sure that Oly is going to up the ante again, next week. And feature and lens-wise, both Oly and Panny are so far ahead that the competition will need a yellow-flag phase for closing the gap.
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DonParrot
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Well, if the M5 turns out to be a major success - and I really expect it to be in consideration of the Canon users' loyalty, I think this will be very bery good for the entire MILC market. To date, the players on this market were small (in the photo area9 company such as Oly, Panny and Fuji plus Sony where you never know how long it will last.
Canon's launch of a competitive MILC, however, could make a lot of newcomers who believed that they need a DSLR for proper pictures become aware that there is a whole new player in town. This even could be the kick-off of a landslide from DSLR to mirrorless. And while the majority of the people will buy a canon nevertheless, quite a lot also could take a look at the competition as - how we say in Germany - other fathers also have sexy daughters.
So, I'm rather happy about the E-M5 and hope it's even better than the rumours claim.
Canon's launch of a competitive MILC, however, could make a lot of newcomers who believed that they need a DSLR for proper pictures become aware that there is a whole new player in town. This even could be the kick-off of a landslide from DSLR to mirrorless. And while the majority of the people will buy a canon nevertheless, quite a lot also could take a look at the competition as - how we say in Germany - other fathers also have sexy daughters.
So, I'm rather happy about the E-M5 and hope it's even better than the rumours claim.
The Xpro2 and 100-400 is slightly heavier and certainly not larger than the EM1 and 300f4...
Jorginho...I can PROMISE you that "real" Fuji users...another words people who don't jump ship at every new camera release,,DO NOT think it's a problem for Fuji that there's no IBIS or a shifting sensor...
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Chris R-UK
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But high speed C-AF is relatively unimportant for most of the MILC/DSLR market. It is only really essentially for sports/action and some wildlife photographers (I am one).
If the new Canon with DSLR lenses can focus as fast as, say, an E-M5ii with native M4/3 lenses then that is going to be adequate for a large part of the market and certainly almost all potential entry level DSLR purchasers.
gary0319
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I agree........I hope this "new" Canon entry into MILC is way better than their previous efforts. Their previous entries have done nothing but reaffirm the superiority of the DSLR in the minds of all those Canon big body shooters. Hopefully, if the M5 is good enough, it will bring all MILC into the mainstream. This can only help M43.
DonParrot
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I'm not so sure about it. Even if people don't need it they might want if for the case that they might need it at a certain point in time. Just like cars with 500bhp engines in the US. And many entry level users want to shoot their daughter show jumping or their son playing icehockey.
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