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tko said:
As soon as we got to the "where are the missing buttons gonna go" part of the thread the swivel guys have lost, but don't seem to know it.

Don't you understand? I don't care if you put the buttons on the side, the bottom, or on a remote control. Function comes first. Buttons and ergonomics win out over a fold out screen no one really wants. Soon as one button is gone, the market is gone, and Canon knows that very well.

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Let me explain something to you. It's highly likely that the 5DIV will have 4K video and be much more capable than the 80D cinema wise with maybe even C-log. It will also obviously have DPAF, and you possibly think it won't have an articulated screen? If this camera is aimed to any part of the cinema market, AND IT IS, then an articulated screen is a given or Canon will be laughed out of the market place .....cinema wise. If it has DPAF which it will, it will have an articulated screen. I think Canon sees DPAF and an articulated screen as interlocking features. You will adjust. Even better, you can turn the screen so it's facing the body and pretend it doesn't even have one, and pretend your a big boy photographer from yesteryear, and not even look at your photos until you get home to see if they were technically correct. Now that's what separated the men from the boys.
 
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AmbleYonder said:
Le_Kilt said:
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Yes, Canon (and I presume others) has added lots of new video features in the 80D, one of which is to take a series of short clips (4 seconds by default but adjustable) and merge them into a "video snapshot album" with background music/soundtrack all in camera. You can have several of these snapshot albums ongoing, and keep adding to each of them. You can load any music or soundtrack for each one onto the camera to play back with music directly from there.
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i see you like your gimmicks . hardly a pro feature not going to match up to dedicated A.V software to create a professional presentation is it .
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I didn't say anything about liking it or it being a pro feature, I was responding to the previous post which you might like to read again.
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nevertheless it give us an insight into what you find useful on a camera
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You seem to like putting words into my mouth or thought into my head when they're not there.
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and are you a talented musician ? or do you intend to purchase the rights to the music ?
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Really, going there?
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why not its a fair enough question as i wondered what you intended doing with the albums
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It implies I'm going to make professional use of that feature, and I haven't even said if I might use it at all. You can certainly use the feature with any music you own if it's not in a public sphere. But maybe I'll try it, and sing a ditty for background music ;-)

La la la lala... hummm, why is everyone running away?
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Sony have innovated by copying the phones, you can download Apps to several of their better cameras to add new functions.
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and the talented bunch over at magic lantern have given us a boat load of new functions for free . very impressive , unfortunately your 80D is not supported yet . but if your into video your going to love it .
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Afraid not, stills are my dope and pro work. A bit of video is fun though.
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some really innovative functions on there for the still shooter too
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Yes, when you look back to the first DSLRs, we're getting spoilt today!
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the reality is none of us here work for canon so its an utterly pointless exercise trying to cajole us into agreeing with you over a swivel screen isn't it . ?
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I'm not trying to cajole anyone into anything. But I am curious to see how many people would like a touch-swivel screen on the top Canon cameras, and I do believe some people at Canon keep an eye out for trends, reactions and ideas.
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simpler for canon to approach DPR an arrange a poll wouldn't you think rather than wade through our mumblings and rants here i would have thought .
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LOL, absolutely! :-)
 
AmbleYonder said:
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-specification-list-cr1/#ixzz46zmeFTTg

there you go . you might get touch screen as you get the option of using it or not .
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Arrrgh! It doesn't mention swivel!!!
;-)

A couple of curious things on that list :

- The card slots, no CF, but maybe that's the way to go today, particularly for high spec 4K video. 60fps 4K would be logical, if they can include 120fps FullHD that could be cool too for slow motions.

- New battery, is it a much higher capacity, to cope with Video, GPS, Wifi etc?

The sensor size must be a mistake, I have it on good authority that it will have the new 120Mp sensor.
 
AmbleYonder said:
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simpler for canon to approach DPR an arrange a poll wouldn't you think rather than wade through our mumblings and rants here i would have thought .
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LOL, absolutely! :-)
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indeedy

http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-specification-list-cr1/#ixzz46zmeFTTg
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Honestly, people really need to try a swivel screen before dismissing them. I was previously a stubborn Canon only "legacy form factor" shooter before jumping into mirror-less a few years back. Since the 5D line is intended for a video-oriented crowd, having a swivel screen would be ideal and would cater to that audience.

I have 2 GH4s, both for cinema related work and one of them has over a thousand swivels in its 2 years of life. I can monitor certain angles which would be inconvenient without an external monitor.

However, I'd trade that swivel screen for 10bit 422 hdmi, Clog, 4K, 1080/120 and Prores. Since Canon will most likely go the traditional route of protecting their C level equipment, more than likely we will get the swivel screen and none of the above.
 
swivel screens are useful for sure, I have found myself using it on the T3i quite often, and really missed it on the 6D. If the pentax K1 has a durable fold out screen I dont see why Canon can't do it.
 
jayphotoworks said:
AmbleYonder said:
jayphotoworks said:
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simpler for canon to approach DPR an arrange a poll wouldn't you think rather than wade through our mumblings and rants here i would have thought .
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LOL, absolutely! :-)
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indeedy

http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-specification-list-cr1/#ixzz46zmeFTTg
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Honestly, people really need to try a swivel screen before dismissing them.
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or alternatively perhaps people have tried them and it was just not a big deal for them as it was for you .
 
AmbleYonder said:
jayphotoworks said:
AmbleYonder said:
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AmbleYonder said:
simpler for canon to approach DPR an arrange a poll wouldn't you think rather than wade through our mumblings and rants here i would have thought .
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LOL, absolutely! :-)
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indeedy

http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-specification-list-cr1/#ixzz46zmeFTTg
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Honestly, people really need to try a swivel screen before dismissing them.
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or alternatively perhaps people have tried them and it was just not a big deal for them as it was for you .
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And that's cool, if you've actually tried one and don't want one then no problem, you don't get to do jail-time. Each person's experience and opinion is valuable. :-)
 
greenlight149 said:
swivel screens are useful for sure, I have found myself using it on the T3i quite often, and really missed it on the 6D. If the pentax K1 has a durable fold out screen I dont see why Canon can't do it.
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That would be 1 more reason for me not to get the 5D Mk III

The only thing that i ever ask for is better IQ and my 6D is going to be hard to beat.....

Or maybe the same IQ with more MPs....
 
riknash said:
lastcoyote said:
It's not the actual screen people worry about its the pivot/hinge point which is a weak area.
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Where is it documented that the pivot/hinge is a weak point? Aircraft utilize many various pivot/hinges very successfully without failure. Where did you come up with this falsehood, stating it as fact?
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I didn't come up with it! I just stated the fact that it's that which some people worry about.

I personally think with care everything would be fine but it goes without saying that a fixed screen with no moving parts has less to go wrong than something that does.
 
XeroJay said:
Hey I respect Rogers opinions as much as reasonably possible, but the fact is, I'm right. If ever a dribble swivel screen has ever broken (and I have had them break) than they break! There's nothing wrong with that logic, except that you wish to deny it based on someone's opinion, which you call fact.

Also, they're ugly and take up precious layout space. Swivel screens are for the toy level cameras,and Canon seems to agree with me on this, which is all that really matters. So good luck all of you guys who list rebels as your gear, demanding toy features in a semi pro body.
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This has to be said once and for all - this utter nonsense with swivel screen haters should stop. That fact is, that you are not right, you are just being arrogant in terms of above reply and that's actually the only "fact" about your post.

If you or your assistant are incompetent to not actually break the swievel screen, then please find yourself a different job, different assistant or sign some insurance. I have never ever seen the swivel screen broken.

I am fed up with pros like you, who just make up stuff. I can see lots of you in concerts, holding the gear above the head and shooting blindly, but no - swivel screen is not useful, right?

In 10-15 years, you will be most probably still using your beloved 2 kg magnessium alloy camera, whereas others will use maybe even detachable displays.

And that might be the only fact, that's actually given, as it is called an innovation ;-)

Cheers,

Petr
 
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greenlight149 said:
swivel screens are useful for sure, I have found myself using it on the T3i quite often, and really missed it on the 6D. If the pentax K1 has a durable fold out screen I dont see why Canon can't do it.
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The 5D is a low light wedding camera so what Canon does on the 5D line is predominately please those working professionals.
 
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greenlight149 said:
swivel screens are useful for sure, I have found myself using it on the T3i quite often, and really missed it on the 6D. If the pentax K1 has a durable fold out screen I dont see why Canon can't do it.
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The 5D is a low light wedding camera so what Canon does on the 5D line is predominately please those working professionals.
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Darn, there I was thinking it's a good landscape/macro/portrait/night sky/studio/movie camera.

;-)
 
I find the swivel screen and touch aspects on the 70D and the previous 60D (I have both) to be great features. In fact I'm WAITING for the 6DII to have this feature and if it does I'll order the minute I can. I don't want the flip up/flip down screen that Sony has- the full swivel has become such a great tool for me that full swivel is the only way to go. Simply put it enables shooting from angles and positions that were simply impossible without it. I'll never buy another body without it at this point.
 
XeroJay said:
I really hope that it does NOT have a swivel screen. The last thing I need is another weak point for my assistants to wear-out/break.

Please Canon, no pop out screen!
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I agree!

Marc
 
f64manray said:
tko said:
As soon as we got to the "where are the missing buttons gonna go" part of the thread the swivel guys have lost, but don't seem to know it.

Don't you understand? I don't care if you put the buttons on the side, the bottom, or on a remote control. Function comes first. Buttons and ergonomics win out over a fold out screen no one really wants. Soon as one button is gone, the market is gone, and Canon knows that very well.

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no, I won't return to read your witty reply!
professional cynic and contrarian: don't take it personally
http://500px.com/omearak
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Let me explain something to you. It's highly likely that the 5DIV will have 4K video and be much more capable than the 80D cinema wise with maybe even C-log. It will also obviously have DPAF, and you possibly think it won't have an articulated screen? If this camera is aimed to any part of the cinema market, AND IT IS, then an articulated screen is a given or Canon will be laughed out of the market place
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actually considering most use external reference monitors in the real world .. i doubt many care.

also for all we know this will have canon's hybrid viewfinder.

which is far more likely than canon changing the entire ergonomics of the camera line.
 
dcperspective said:
I find the swivel screen and touch aspects on the 70D and the previous 60D (I have both) to be great features. In fact I'm WAITING for the 6DII to have this feature and if it does I'll order the minute I can. I don't want the flip up/flip down screen that Sony has- the full swivel has become such a great tool for me that full swivel is the only way to go. Simply put it enables shooting from angles and positions that were simply impossible without it. I'll never buy another body without it at this point.
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this is the way I feel about it to.

I fully expect the 6D2 to have it. heck the 6D SHOULD have had it, if you look at the chassis, it was meant to have it.

the 5D? not so much.
 
rrccad said:
f64manray said:
tko said:
As soon as we got to the "where are the missing buttons gonna go" part of the thread the swivel guys have lost, but don't seem to know it.

Don't you understand? I don't care if you put the buttons on the side, the bottom, or on a remote control. Function comes first. Buttons and ergonomics win out over a fold out screen no one really wants. Soon as one button is gone, the market is gone, and Canon knows that very well.

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no, I won't return to read your witty reply!
professional cynic and contrarian: don't take it personally
http://500px.com/omearak
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Let me explain something to you. It's highly likely that the 5DIV will have 4K video and be much more capable than the 80D cinema wise with maybe even C-log. It will also obviously have DPAF, and you possibly think it won't have an articulated screen? If this camera is aimed to any part of the cinema market, AND IT IS, then an articulated screen is a given or Canon will be laughed out of the market place
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actually considering most use external reference monitors in the real world .. i doubt many care.

also for all we know this will have canon's hybrid viewfinder.

which is far more likely than canon changing the entire ergonomics of the camera line.
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