Need advice in deciding my first dSLR camera and lense

The one I bought only have Deutch manual, so I have no choice but to download the pdf (accidentally get the better one!). Yes, I imagine there will also required a lot of reading. Otherwise I would just be better of with my point & shoot camera. If reading on my own not sufficient, I will have to see if I need and want to invest in some photography class.
My D3200 came with a very slim user manual that only covers the basics, but there was a PDF of a much more detailed "reference manual" that is more useful.

Remember that these manuals are not short courses is photography, and you will need some extra reading. Many recommend the following site...

Cambridge in Colour

BTW, That's Cambridge in the UK.

Be warned; some YouTube clips are misleading, and other sites are deliberately designed to confuse beginners.
 
The one I bought only have Deutch manual, so I have no choice but to download the pdf (accidentally get the better one!). Yes, I imagine there will also required a lot of reading. Otherwise I would just be better of with my point & shoot camera. If reading on my own not sufficient, I will have to see if I need and want to invest in some photography class.
My D3200 came with a very slim user manual that only covers the basics, but there was a PDF of a much more detailed "reference manual" that is more useful.

Remember that these manuals are not short courses is photography, and you will need some extra reading. Many recommend the following site...

Cambridge in Colour

BTW, That's Cambridge in the UK.

Be warned; some YouTube clips are misleading, and other sites are deliberately designed to confuse beginners.
Thank you! I will bookmark it for future reference. I just read the manual just to get familiar with the camera. Just to make sure I get to know it better before touching second base :p

Would you mind pointing some sites that you think deliberately designed to confuse beginners? Just so I know which I need to stay out of
 
I just read the manual just to get familiar with the camera. Just to make sure I get to know it better before touching second base.

Would you mind pointing some sites that you think deliberately designed to confuse beginners?
I could easily get myself into "hot water" if I did that.

If in doubt, ask on this forum.

Cambridge in Colour is run by a scientist, and avoids all the flashy nonsense. If you work your way through that site, you'll be doing OK.

One of the confusing things for a beginner is that there are many different ways of arriving at just a couple of main settings on the camera (Aperture, Shutter Speed). It doesn't really matter how you do it.

Note that images also have the settings digitally recorded for later examination. This data is called EXIF, and this will be informative. A short form of the EXIF data is shown on most DPR images that are uploaded to DPR.

Here is an image with the EXIF shown on the right margin...



fc605c98be6b442c9679dceb20c76c28.jpg
 
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. It will be a long time before I can use another addition of lens I think. I need to tame this one first
Yes. Phones have lousy cameras but they're very smart. Right now, your phone is a better photographer than you are. Once you're a better photographer than your phone is, you'll be able to get better results from better equipment.
 
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. It will be a long time before I can use another addition of lens I think. I need to tame this one first
The good news for you is that your new Nikon can produce significantly better photos than a camera phone ever will, and your disappointing initial results are simply down to your lack of experience, or 'user error'.

Enjoy the learning experience.
 
Hello everyone, I would like to ask for advice for my first dSLR camera

I am very new to photography and feels overwhelmed in deciding what camera and the lens that I should buy. I have no knowledge about the aspects of photography aside from the things I read in The Beginner's Photography Guide by Chris Gatcum

As my first attempt to jump in to the world of photography, my priority is cheap camera that will let me learn and experiment theories I read in books. I tried browse a little with the keyword "entry level dslr camera" and one particular camera stands out and that is Nikon D3300. Simply because I think I might be able to afford it PLUS it’s easy enough for me to find the study material or tutorial about it

Now the bigger headache for me is deciding which lens I should buy. There seems to be so many options, and most of the lenses name/type makes no sense to me

I read many advices that said it’s better to invest on good quality lenses that would last me a very long time. But I'm not looking for those kind of lenses that costs $300+ because it will be very hard for me to afford it at the moment. I just want an all-around cheap lens that will let me experiment theories in books as a beginner. To try out landscapes, portraits, or macros. Even if that means I will outgrow the ability of the lens to accommodate my learning pace and will have to buy a new lens in the future

I have no specific needs for anything other than the ability to experiment as a beginner. I don't need a touch screen or a wifi able camera. And I will not be using it to make video

Would you say Nikon D3300 + 18-55mm VR II a good choice for a first timer like me? Or is there a cheaper/better option for me? I really want to learn photography but the cost to start really putting me off

Thank you in advance
A DSLR and kit lens makes the most sense for you as a beginner, if you are decided on a DSLR type camera, which I think is the best 'all rounder' for someone wanting to get into photography seriously.

However my advice for you is to buy used for as little as possible at this stage - see my article here for more details;

https://jamesearleyphotoblog.wordpress.com/2015/06/22/advice-for-beginners-no1-what-camera/
"My" advice is now against all dSLR's since mirrorless can HELP "beginners" LEARN exposure so much easier/FASTER.

So I recommend the Sony A7 series if you want/NEED FF ISO/IQ.

Or the a6000 (now a6300) for APS-ISO/IQ.

Or the Panasonic/Lumix FZ-1000 for the most VERSATILITY and options/features, (including a FULLY-articulating rear-LCD and 1/4000 native flash-sync for greater sunlight fill-flash and ability to darken backgrounds with close subjects).

Any of these can ultimately provide BETTER IQ via easy/fast ETTR w/ "zebras" and a choice of INSTANT Image-Review to immediately verify exposure/WB/pose/smile/eyes and reshoot if necessary before subject/animal moves/leaves.

I would especially never recommend an entry-level dSLR w/out auto-bracketing or HDR unless money is an object and they want the "cheapest" available.
 
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Bought the camera today. Thank you very much for the helpful and encouraging replies from everyone. I'm in the bus on my way home and all i can think about is to quickly charge the camera battery
Excellent choice. Difficult to go wrong with the 3300. You also need to consider a lens with a longer reach and couple of primes. That will set you up for making most of photographic opportunities.
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. It will be a long time before I can use another addition of lens I think. I need to tame this one first
I'm not the greatest photographer, but maybe I could show you a few examples? Here is a website of my travel photography. Nearly all of the photos on here were taken with a Nikon D5000, which is older and lower resolution than your new D3300. Additionally, I'd guess that at least 60% of the photos on here were taken with an 18-55mm Nikon kit lens:

www.placesandpics.com

(it's a personal website, totally non-commercial. there are no ads and I'm not selling anything)
 
Hello everyone, I would like to ask for advice for my first dSLR camera

I am very new to photography and feels overwhelmed in deciding what camera and the lens that I should buy. I have no knowledge about the aspects of photography aside from the things I read in The Beginner's Photography Guide by Chris Gatcum

As my first attempt to jump in to the world of photography, my priority is cheap camera that will let me learn and experiment theories I read in books. I tried browse a little with the keyword "entry level dslr camera" and one particular camera stands out and that is Nikon D3300. Simply because I think I might be able to afford it PLUS it’s easy enough for me to find the study material or tutorial about it

Now the bigger headache for me is deciding which lens I should buy. There seems to be so many options, and most of the lenses name/type makes no sense to me

I read many advices that said it’s better to invest on good quality lenses that would last me a very long time. But I'm not looking for those kind of lenses that costs $300+ because it will be very hard for me to afford it at the moment. I just want an all-around cheap lens that will let me experiment theories in books as a beginner. To try out landscapes, portraits, or macros. Even if that means I will outgrow the ability of the lens to accommodate my learning pace and will have to buy a new lens in the future

I have no specific needs for anything other than the ability to experiment as a beginner. I don't need a touch screen or a wifi able camera. And I will not be using it to make video

Would you say Nikon D3300 + 18-55mm VR II a good choice for a first timer like me? Or is there a cheaper/better option for me? I really want to learn photography but the cost to start really putting me off

Thank you in advance
A DSLR and kit lens makes the most sense for you as a beginner, if you are decided on a DSLR type camera, which I think is the best 'all rounder' for someone wanting to get into photography seriously.

However my advice for you is to buy used for as little as possible at this stage - see my article here for more details;

https://jamesearleyphotoblog.wordpress.com/2015/06/22/advice-for-beginners-no1-what-camera/
"My" advice is now against all dSLR's since mirrorless can HELP "beginners" LEARN exposure so much easier/FASTER.

So I recommend the Sony A7 series if you want/NEED FF ISO/IQ.

Or the a6000 (now a6300) for APS-ISO/IQ.

Or the Panasonic/Lumix FZ-1000 for the most VERSATILITY and options/features, (including a FULLY-articulating rear-LCD and 1/4000 native flash-sync for greater sunlight fill-flash and ability to darken backgrounds with close subjects).

Any of these can ultimately provide BETTER IQ via easy/fast ETTR w/ "zebras" and a choice of INSTANT Image-Review to immediately verify exposure/WB/pose/smile/eyes and reshoot if necessary before subject/animal moves/leaves.

I would especially never recommend an entry-level dSLR w/out auto-bracketing or HDR unless money is an object and they want the "cheapest" available.
A lot of people want a DSLR. Learn to live with it.
 
Hello everyone, I would like to ask for advice for my first dSLR camera

I am very new to photography and feels overwhelmed in deciding what camera and the lens that I should buy. I have no knowledge about the aspects of photography aside from the things I read in The Beginner's Photography Guide by Chris Gatcum

As my first attempt to jump in to the world of photography, my priority is cheap camera that will let me learn and experiment theories I read in books. I tried browse a little with the keyword "entry level dslr camera" and one particular camera stands out and that is Nikon D3300. Simply because I think I might be able to afford it PLUS it’s easy enough for me to find the study material or tutorial about it

Now the bigger headache for me is deciding which lens I should buy. There seems to be so many options, and most of the lenses name/type makes no sense to me

I read many advices that said it’s better to invest on good quality lenses that would last me a very long time. But I'm not looking for those kind of lenses that costs $300+ because it will be very hard for me to afford it at the moment. I just want an all-around cheap lens that will let me experiment theories in books as a beginner. To try out landscapes, portraits, or macros. Even if that means I will outgrow the ability of the lens to accommodate my learning pace and will have to buy a new lens in the future

I have no specific needs for anything other than the ability to experiment as a beginner. I don't need a touch screen or a wifi able camera. And I will not be using it to make video

Would you say Nikon D3300 + 18-55mm VR II a good choice for a first timer like me? Or is there a cheaper/better option for me? I really want to learn photography but the cost to start really putting me off

Thank you in advance
A DSLR and kit lens makes the most sense for you as a beginner, if you are decided on a DSLR type camera, which I think is the best 'all rounder' for someone wanting to get into photography seriously.

However my advice for you is to buy used for as little as possible at this stage - see my article here for more details;

https://jamesearleyphotoblog.wordpress.com/2015/06/22/advice-for-beginners-no1-what-camera/
"My" advice is now against all dSLR's since mirrorless can HELP "beginners" LEARN exposure so much easier/FASTER.

So I recommend the Sony A7 series if you want/NEED FF ISO/IQ.

Or the a6000 (now a6300) for APS-ISO/IQ.

Or the Panasonic/Lumix FZ-1000 for the most VERSATILITY and options/features, (including a FULLY-articulating rear-LCD and 1/4000 native flash-sync for greater sunlight fill-flash and ability to darken backgrounds with close subjects).

Any of these can ultimately provide BETTER IQ via easy/fast ETTR w/ "zebras" and a choice of INSTANT Image-Review to immediately verify exposure/WB/pose/smile/eyes and reshoot if necessary before subject/animal moves/leaves.

I would especially never recommend an entry-level dSLR w/out auto-bracketing or HDR unless money is an object and they want the "cheapest" available.
The OP is smarter than you are Joe. You missed his poignant "...it’s easy enough for me to find the study material or tutorial about it." which doesn't work for the cameras you suggest to people.

I always recommend Adobe and Canikon, just because there is abundant educational materials.
 
Thank you. I sure hope so too. Reading through the manual like a teenager found some porn magazine. So exciting! hahaha
Just remember that the Owner's Manual doesn't teach you how to be a photographer...or a driver. You have to be educated and have experience.

Also, you should download the PDF version of the manual. It's free. It is MUCH better, because you can search for stuff!
 
I always recommend Adobe and Canikon, just because there is abundant educational materials.
My respect for you, such as it is, incorporates your ability to speak English; this criterion cuts out the riffraff. Now, is there abundant educational materials or are there abundant educational materials? I gots to know.
 
I always recommend Adobe and Canikon, just because there is abundant educational materials.
My respect for you, such as it is, incorporates your ability to speak English; this criterion cuts out the riffraff. Now, is there abundant educational materials or are there abundant educational materials? I gots to know.
 
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. . .
That's disappointing to hear, especially since a friend of mine recently ordered a D3300 and has high hopes that it will offer advantages over the compact camera she's currently using. I've been invited to help her work through some initial setup and operation choices next weekend, so I'll get a chance to play with one then. Reviews and sample images for the D3300 certainly look encouraging. Imaging Resource wrote, "a very impressive performer when it comes to print quality -- super-high resolution prints that stand shoulder-to-shoulder with higher-end, even professional-level cameras. . . producing exceptionally large prints for its price range and doing a great job with fine detail and color thanks to its AA-filterless 24-megapixel sensor and adept processing." Test reports of the kit zoom are pretty respectable, with the main problem area in sharpness seeming to be the 35mm focal length when shooting wide open; however, even at this focal length "sharpness is outstanding across the frame" when stopped down to f/8 (at least according to Ephotozine).
 
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. . .
That's disappointing to hear, especially since a friend of mine recently ordered a D3300 and has high hopes that it will offer advantages over the compact camera she's currently using. I've been invited to help her work through some initial setup and operation choices next weekend, so I'll get a chance to play with one then. Reviews and sample images for the D3300 certainly look encouraging. Imaging Resource wrote, "a very impressive performer when it comes to print quality -- super-high resolution prints that stand shoulder-to-shoulder with higher-end, even professional-level cameras. . . producing exceptionally large prints for its price range and doing a great job with fine detail and color thanks to its AA-filterless 24-megapixel sensor and adept processing." Test reports of the kit zoom are pretty respectable, with the main problem area in sharpness seeming to be the 35mm focal length when shooting wide open; however, even at this focal length "sharpness is outstanding across the frame" when stopped down to f/8 (at least according to Ephotozine).
All that stuff only happens when you work the camera properly. Even the simplest and most newbie-friendly DSLR requires appropriate operator input to get good results. These things are not camera phones and they're not small-sensor point and shoots. They're real cameras and require some photographic expertise despite their auto settings.

If someone is not interested in photography, they're going to get garbage out of a D3300.
 
All that stuff only happens when you work the camera properly. Even the simplest and most newbie-friendly DSLR requires appropriate operator input to get good results. These things are not camera phones and they're not small-sensor point and shoots. They're real cameras and require some photographic expertise despite their auto settings.

If someone is not interested in photography, they're going to get garbage out of a D3300.
Fortunately, the OP is very interested in photography and has already been reading a photography book whose examples and tutorials appear to assume the use of a basic DSLR. I'm hopeful that the OP will soon see results that make him happy with his purchase.

I guess I'm surprised that good results from a DSLR would require any special care. My first SLR was a Pentax SP1000, and I'm still happy with the slides I got even from the first roll of film I put through that camera. But perhaps there's a difference between coming to an SLR from a background in low-cost roll-film cameras and coming to a DSLR from a smartphone or digital compact.
 
I just read the manual just to get familiar with the camera. Just to make sure I get to know it better before touching second base.

Would you mind pointing some sites that you think deliberately designed to confuse beginners?
I could easily get myself into "hot water" if I did that.

If in doubt, ask on this forum.

Cambridge in Colour is run by a scientist, and avoids all the flashy nonsense. If you work your way through that site, you'll be doing OK.

One of the confusing things for a beginner is that there are many different ways of arriving at just a couple of main settings on the camera (Aperture, Shutter Speed). It doesn't really matter how you do it.

Note that images also have the settings digitally recorded for later examination. This data is called EXIF, and this will be informative. A short form of the EXIF data is shown on most DPR images that are uploaded to DPR.

Here is an image with the EXIF shown on the right margin...

fc605c98be6b442c9679dceb20c76c28.jpg
Thank you. I sometimes read through the exif properties of a picture file but ita still too hard for me to make sense out of all the data. But i figure if i keep studying it will only be a matter of time before i know how to read it
 
Thank you. I sure hope so too. Reading through the manual like a teenager found some porn magazine. So exciting! hahaha
I never read the camera manual .... JUST THE PORN MAGAZINE .... !!!
Hahaha. I need to put that manual aside for mow. Got new toys to play with at the moment. One good thing from porn magazine is that i have a strong set of arm now thanks to it!
 
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. It will be a long time before I can use another addition of lens I think. I need to tame this one first
The good news for you is that your new Nikon can produce significantly better photos than a camera phone ever will, and your disappointing initial results are simply down to your lack of experience, or 'user error'.

Enjoy the learning experience.
Thank you :D
 
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Bought the camera today. Thank you very much for the helpful and encouraging replies from everyone. I'm in the bus on my way home and all i can think about is to quickly charge the camera battery
Excellent choice. Difficult to go wrong with the 3300. You also need to consider a lens with a longer reach and couple of primes. That will set you up for making most of photographic opportunities.
My first impression was: I make better picture with my phone than this expensive camera. But yeah, i don't know how to use the camera properly so no wonder. Its so difficult for me to make my pictures have a sharp focus. It will be a long time before I can use another addition of lens I think. I need to tame this one first
I'm not the greatest photographer, but maybe I could show you a few examples? Here is a website of my travel photography. Nearly all of the photos on here were taken with a Nikon D5000, which is older and lower resolution than your new D3300. Additionally, I'd guess that at least 60% of the photos on here were taken with an 18-55mm Nikon kit lens:

www.placesandpics.com

(it's a personal website, totally non-commercial. there are no ads and I'm not selling anything)
Thank you. I will make time to visit it later. I do need to see more pictures now
 

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