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hello

i read great things about fujis jpgs

im shooting with xt-1 and couple of great primes.

for people, street, indoor - the jpgs are great most of the time.

but i find that for landscape, i get better results by converting the raw file (with capture one).

im using provia. everything is at 0, except highlight -1.

am i doing something worng?

thanks!
 
hello

i read great things about fujis jpgs

im shooting with xt-1 and couple of great primes.

for people, street, indoor - the jpgs are great most of the time.

but i find that for landscape, i get better results by converting the raw file (with capture one).

im using provia. everything is at 0, except highlight -1.

am i doing something worng?

thanks!
You get better JPEGs in what sense? :) you can obviously tweak the RAW file a lot more, whether your subject is landscape or not.
 
You aren´t doing anything worng - I tend to prefer RAW for landscapes for a couple of main reasons:

Landscapes are often more complicated and require more tweaking - high contrast scenes that are different to expose for, complex lighting eg at dawn or dusk may mean getting exposure, tone curves, white balance etc is harder to get right in camera - imagine shooting a city scape at dawn with a mixture of ambient light from the sky and streetlights, and then the first rays of the sun but with deep shadows that are stilll quite blue and so on. So it´s technically quite demanding and RAW allows you more lattitude. Also if there are vertical structures in a landscape like houses or trees I might need to adjust the verticals etc while I´m at.

I see landscapes as my "art" photography - they are more likely to go on my wall afterwards, printed big, so I might spend a lot of time getting it right or going for a particularly "look".

Other types of photography for me, I´m happier with the jpgs which are mostly pretty good (they´re mostly pretty good for landscapes too though, just not in all cases).
 
I see it a bit like this.

Jpg's are like polaroid's, nice for immediate sharing, and to roughly see what the end result can look like. JPG's are mediocre by design, the quality of the film simulation does not change that.

What I would find more useful is to have the option to generate SOOC tiff's instead of jpg. that would be more like shooting slidefilm instead of polaroids. ( I think not having this option is a disgrace to the engineers that created have put a lot of effort in creating the filmsimulation profiles in the firstplace!)

In the end it is just what gives the best results for you, it is all about what standards you set for your self. For me the end product I have in mind is always a print. For others it might be a post on flickr, instagram or facebook, in which case the JPG's may be good enough.

for my goal, processing Raw's gives me better results and flexibility,so I don't think you are doing something wrong.

Personally I have never fully understood the fuzz about Fuji jpg's , for me Fuji jpg's are only good enough for some general snapshots I do not really care about. (Which is actually better than what I have seen with other brands. ).

However it depends a bit on what you're goal is .

Kees
 
I see it a bit like this.

Jpg's are like polaroid's, nice for immediate sharing, and to roughly see what the end result can look like. JPG's are mediocre by design, the quality of the film simulation does not change that.

What I would find more useful is to have the option to generate SOOC tiff's instead of jpg. that would be more like shooting slidefilm instead of polaroids. ( I think not having this option is a disgrace to the engineers that created have put a lot of effort in creating the filmsimulation profiles in the firstplace!)

In the end it is just what gives the best results for you, it is all about what standards you set for your self. For me the end product I have in mind is always a print. For others it might be a post on flickr, instagram or facebook, in which case the JPG's may be good enough.

for my goal, processing Raw's gives me better results and flexibility,so I don't think you are doing something wrong.

Personally I have never fully understood the fuzz about Fuji jpg's , for me Fuji jpg's are only good enough for some general snapshots I do not really care about. (Which is actually better than what I have seen with other brands. ).

However it depends a bit on what you're goal is .

Kees
Added to ignore list.

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I see it a bit like this.

Jpg's are like polaroid's, nice for immediate sharing, and to roughly see what the end result can look like. JPG's are mediocre by design, the quality of the film simulation does not change that.
Mostly agree, though I think mediocre is a bit harsh. Polaroid is an apt comparison.
What I would find more useful is to have the option to generate SOOC tiff's instead of jpg. that would be more like shooting slidefilm instead of polaroids. ( I think not having this option is a disgrace to the engineers that created have put a lot of effort in creating the filmsimulation profiles in the firstplace!)
LOL - disgrace is harsh too, but I agree that outputting tiffs or DNG would be useful.
In the end it is just what gives the best results for you, it is all about what standards you set for your self. For me the end product I have in mind is always a print. For others it might be a post on flickr, instagram or facebook, in which case the JPG's may be good enough.
+1
for my goal, processing Raw's gives me better results and flexibility,so I don't think you are doing something wrong.
+1
Personally I have never fully understood the fuzz about Fuji jpg's , for me Fuji jpg's are only good enough for some general snapshots I do not really care about. (Which is actually better than what I have seen with other brands. ).
Exactly, everyone has his own purposes and standards.
However it depends a bit on what you're goal is .
+1 +1 +1

Good post. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to ignore you. :)
 
I see it a bit like this.

Jpg's are like polaroid's, nice for immediate sharing, and to roughly see what the end result can look like. JPG's are mediocre by design, the quality of the film simulation does not change that.
Mostly agree, though I think mediocre is a bit harsh. Polaroid is an apt comparison.
What I would find more useful is to have the option to generate SOOC tiff's instead of jpg. that would be more like shooting slidefilm instead of polaroids. ( I think not having this option is a disgrace to the engineers that created have put a lot of effort in creating the filmsimulation profiles in the firstplace!)
LOL - disgrace is harsh too, but I agree that outputting tiffs or DNG would be useful.
In the end it is just what gives the best results for you, it is all about what standards you set for your self. For me the end product I have in mind is always a print. For others it might be a post on flickr, instagram or facebook, in which case the JPG's may be good enough.
+1
for my goal, processing Raw's gives me better results and flexibility,so I don't think you are doing something wrong.
+1
Personally I have never fully understood the fuzz about Fuji jpg's , for me Fuji jpg's are only good enough for some general snapshots I do not really care about. (Which is actually better than what I have seen with other brands. ).
Exactly, everyone has his own purposes and standards.
However it depends a bit on what you're goal is .
+1 +1 +1

Good post. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to ignore you. :)
Maybe because it shows complete ignorance of the actual characteristics of slide film and childish 'format snobbery'? (Anyone who thinks a 16-42mp jpeg is only as good as a Polaroid print is clearly talking nonsense.)

If that's the reason for the 'ignore' then I don't know......😐

Pat
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
 
I see it a bit like this.

Jpg's are like polaroid's, nice for immediate sharing, and to roughly see what the end result can look like. JPG's are mediocre by design, the quality of the film simulation does not change that.
Mostly agree, though I think mediocre is a bit harsh. Polaroid is an apt comparison.
What I would find more useful is to have the option to generate SOOC tiff's instead of jpg. that would be more like shooting slidefilm instead of polaroids. ( I think not having this option is a disgrace to the engineers that created have put a lot of effort in creating the filmsimulation profiles in the firstplace!)
LOL - disgrace is harsh too, but I agree that outputting tiffs or DNG would be useful.
In the end it is just what gives the best results for you, it is all about what standards you set for your self. For me the end product I have in mind is always a print. For others it might be a post on flickr, instagram or facebook, in which case the JPG's may be good enough.
+1
for my goal, processing Raw's gives me better results and flexibility,so I don't think you are doing something wrong.
+1
Personally I have never fully understood the fuzz about Fuji jpg's , for me Fuji jpg's are only good enough for some general snapshots I do not really care about. (Which is actually better than what I have seen with other brands. ).
Exactly, everyone has his own purposes and standards.
However it depends a bit on what you're goal is .
+1 +1 +1

Good post. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to ignore you. :)
Maybe because it shows complete ignorance of the actual characteristics of slide film and childish 'format snobbery'? (Anyone who thinks a 16-42mp jpeg is only as good as a Polaroid print is clearly talking nonsense.)

If that's the reason for the 'ignore' then I don't know......😐

Pat
Some of his language might be a bit dramatic for people who care about "format snobbery" (whatever that is?) but he's mostly right IMO. Jpegs and RAW are simply different file formats with very different specs and capabilities. People use the format that make sense for a givin situation.

Its really very simple.

Fuji RAW files are 14-bit and uncompressed. This matters for landscapes destined for large prints because the file is capable of recording over 16,000 tones/shades between the colors. Shadowed tree tones can be raised with little or no posterization or banding between tones, and a great amount of tonal data can be recovered from blown highlights, like the bright strips of sky behind the dark trees. Color temperature can be more precisely fine-tuned and multiple color temps can be handled easily. Sharpening and NR enhancement can be accomplished using a variety of more sophisticated methods than the camera provides in jpegs. And of, course, the RAW file is unimpressed.

8-bit jpegs only have about 256 shades/tones available which is fine if no PP is performed. But once one starts stretching 250 tones for shadow and extreme high lot recovery the histogram falls apart revealing tonal banding. I think the analogy to Polaroids simply meant the individual image parameters (WB, exposure, sharpness, etc.) is baked-in and not meant for much extra processing.

Obviously, the biggest advantage to jpegs is convenience and access to the great Fuji film simulations. I'm another one who would enjoy the option of recording the film sims to a 16-bit tiff.

Fortunately everyone can easily choose what's most important for their needs/wants.

I don't see what's so controversial about any of this.

Sal
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
No, I don't mean to attack anyone but if you read this post from the perspective of a JPEG user (I use mostly RAW by the way) it's pretty disparaging to say the least.

Whilst RAW does give immense post capture flexibility it doesn't gain much over a properly exposed JPEG where conditions allow this. I've also seen lots of over processed RAW's that actually don't live up to the more natural JPEG OOC so I think the subject is more complicated than RAW=Art & JPEG="Snapshot".

Pat
 
I see it a bit like this.

Jpg's are like polaroid's, nice for immediate sharing, and to roughly see what the end result can look like. JPG's are mediocre by design, the quality of the film simulation does not change that.
Mostly agree, though I think mediocre is a bit harsh. Polaroid is an apt comparison.
What I would find more useful is to have the option to generate SOOC tiff's instead of jpg. that would be more like shooting slidefilm instead of polaroids. ( I think not having this option is a disgrace to the engineers that created have put a lot of effort in creating the filmsimulation profiles in the firstplace!)
LOL - disgrace is harsh too, but I agree that outputting tiffs or DNG would be useful.
In the end it is just what gives the best results for you, it is all about what standards you set for your self. For me the end product I have in mind is always a print. For others it might be a post on flickr, instagram or facebook, in which case the JPG's may be good enough.
+1
for my goal, processing Raw's gives me better results and flexibility,so I don't think you are doing something wrong.
+1
Personally I have never fully understood the fuzz about Fuji jpg's , for me Fuji jpg's are only good enough for some general snapshots I do not really care about. (Which is actually better than what I have seen with other brands. ).
Exactly, everyone has his own purposes and standards.
However it depends a bit on what you're goal is .
+1 +1 +1

Good post. I'm not sure why anyone would choose to ignore you. :)
Maybe because it shows complete ignorance of the actual characteristics of slide film and childish 'format snobbery'? (Anyone who thinks a 16-42mp jpeg is only as good as a Polaroid print is clearly talking nonsense.)

If that's the reason for the 'ignore' then I don't know......😐

Pat
Some of his language might be a bit dramatic for people who care about "format snobbery" (whatever that is?) but he's mostly right IMO. Jpegs and RAW are simply different file formats with very different specs and capabilities. People use the format that make sense for a givin situation.

Its really very simple.

Fuji RAW files are 14-bit and uncompressed. This matters for landscapes destined for large prints because the file is capable of recording over 16,000 tones/shades between the colors. Shadowed tree tones can be raised with little or no posterization or banding between tones, and a great amount of tonal data can be recovered from blown highlights, like the bright strips of sky behind the dark trees. Color temperature can be more precisely fine-tuned and multiple color temps can be handled easily. Sharpening and NR enhancement can be accomplished using a variety of more sophisticated methods than the camera provides in jpegs. And of, course, the RAW file is unimpressed.

8-bit jpegs only have about 256 shades/tones available which is fine if no PP is performed. But once one starts stretching 250 tones for shadow and extreme high lot recovery the histogram falls apart revealing tonal banding.I think the analogy to Polaroids simply meant the individual image parameters (WB, exposure, sharpness, etc.) is baked-in and not meant for much extra processing.
That is indeed exactly how I meant it.
Obviously, the biggest advantage to jpegs is convenience and access to the great Fuji film simulations. I'm another one who would enjoy the option of recording the film sims to a 16-bit tiff.

Fortunately everyone can easily choose what's most important for their needs/wants.

I don't see what's so controversial about any of this.

Sal
Kees
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
No, I don't mean to attack anyone but if you read this post from the perspective of a JPEG user (I use mostly RAW by the way) it's pretty disparaging to say the least.
I did not mean to be disparaging to JPEG users, sorry if I left that impression.

( had to look up the meaning of disparaging, English is not my native tongue. learned something, thanks :-) ),
Whilst RAW does give immense post capture flexibility it doesn't gain much over a properly exposed JPEG where conditions allow this.
Agree as long as "conditions do allow", problem often is where subtle tonal gradations are lost in the jpeg.
I've also seen lots of over processed RAW's that actually don't live up to the more natural JPEG OOC so I think the subject is more complicated than RAW=Art & JPEG="Snapshot".
Absolutely true.
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films.
correct.
Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
No, I don't mean to attack anyone but if you read this post from the perspective of a JPEG user (I use mostly RAW by the way) it's pretty disparaging to say the least.
I did not mean to be disparaging to JPEG users, sorry if I left that impression.

( had to look up the meaning of disparaging, English is not my native tongue. learned something, thanks :-) ),
Sorry Kees, now I know that English isn't your native tongue I understand that I may have misinterpreted the true meaning of your post.
Whilst RAW does give immense post capture flexibility it doesn't gain much over a properly exposed JPEG where conditions allow this.
Agree as long as "conditions do allow", problem often is where subtle tonal gradations are lost in the jpeg.
True but it's also important to mention that image files are compressed before printing so subtle gradations may still be lost. This is a very complicated subject but I do agree that an option of OOC TIFF's could be very useful although these TIFF's are BIG files!

Pat
I've also seen lots of over processed RAW's that actually don't live up to the more natural JPEG OOC so I think the subject is more complicated than RAW=Art & JPEG="Snapshot".
Absolutely true.
Kees
 
Yes, RAW is of course always better because there is immensely more to work with in a converter and software like LR (or others) provides a lot of capability to bring out detail in shadows and ratchet back the highlights. It is so good that you almost don't even need HDR anymore because there are so many stops of latitude. Landscape shots always benefit from some highlight and shadow work, clarity, vibrance, contrast, exposure latitude, sharpening techniques, and color tweaking that is far more limited when trying the same sliders with JPEG files. So shooting RAW is a necessity for high-end landscapes, but your Fuji XT-1 is famous for its color rendering of out of camera JPEGS, so don't be afraid to snap some landscapes in a jam using just JPEGs. I sometimes shoot RAW plus JPEG just to compare my editing results of the RAW with my out of camera JPEG from the same file. Also, having the JPEG already rendered allows it to be sent via phone as an attachment that very moment using the Wi-Fi capability and app. You are good either way.

Greg Johnson

 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
No, I don't mean to attack anyone but if you read this post from the perspective of a JPEG user (I use mostly RAW by the way) it's pretty disparaging to say the least.
I did not mean to be disparaging to JPEG users, sorry if I left that impression.

( had to look up the meaning of disparaging, English is not my native tongue. learned something, thanks :-) ),
Sorry Kees, now I know that English isn't your native tongue I understand that I may have misinterpreted the true meaning of your post.
Whilst RAW does give immense post capture flexibility it doesn't gain much over a properly exposed JPEG where conditions allow this.
Agree as long as "conditions do allow", problem often is where subtle tonal gradations are lost in the jpeg.
True but it's also important to mention that image files are compressed before printing so subtle gradations may still be lost. This is a very complicated subject but I do agree that an option of OOC TIFF's could be very useful although these TIFF's are BIG files!
Why would image files be compressed before printing?

The best solution for the tiff option would be for Fuji to let us use the in-camera RAW converter to output as JPEG or uncompressed 16-bit tiff. We could just use it for special images.

Sal

Pat
I've also seen lots of over processed RAW's that actually don't live up to the more natural JPEG OOC so I think the subject is more complicated than RAW=Art & JPEG="Snapshot".
Absolutely true.
Kees
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
No, I don't mean to attack anyone but if you read this post from the perspective of a JPEG user (I use mostly RAW by the way) it's pretty disparaging to say the least.
I did not mean to be disparaging to JPEG users, sorry if I left that impression.

( had to look up the meaning of disparaging, English is not my native tongue. learned something, thanks :-) ),
Sorry Kees, now I know that English isn't your native tongue I understand that I may have misinterpreted the true meaning of your post.
Whilst RAW does give immense post capture flexibility it doesn't gain much over a properly exposed JPEG where conditions allow this.
Agree as long as "conditions do allow", problem often is where subtle tonal gradations are lost in the jpeg.
True but it's also important to mention that image files are compressed before printing so subtle gradations may still be lost. This is a very complicated subject but I do agree that an option of OOC TIFF's could be very useful although these TIFF's are BIG files!
Why would image files be compressed before printing?
Sorry, my inaccurate language is getting me into trouble now. What I should have said is printer software converts images into a language the printer understands. Importantly though most printers (if not all) cannot print anywhere near the number of shades a RAW file can contain which = image compression.

Pat

The best solution for the tiff option would be for Fuji to let us use the in-camera RAW converter to output as JPEG or uncompressed 16-bit tiff. We could just use it for special images.

Sal
Pat
I've also seen lots of over processed RAW's that actually don't live up to the more natural JPEG OOC so I think the subject is more complicated than RAW=Art & JPEG="Snapshot".
Absolutely true.
Kees
 
To the person who said they have seen a lot of over-processed landscape RAW files and sometimes the out of camera JPEGs are better....

I totally agree. I am sometimes guilty of this. We all are. I have edited tens of thousands of RAW files in LR, and I always have to remind myself not to get carried away. I am guilty of over-cooking my landscape RAW files sometimes. I send out landscape shots after a trip and my pro friends will often say, "Hey Greg -- nice image, but take it easy on the vibrance slider and a little shadow won't kill you. And I noticed you made the sky so blue that the best polarized filter shot in history would not pop like that.... Ever seen a sky that blue? Your foliage looks too lime-green"

I hang my head in shame and I go back and reprocess the image. :)

 
Hi,

I use jpegs for landscape most of the time, but I do take pains to get everything right in-camera. I used to shoot transparency film for calendars or framed prints. Getting it right in-camera was essential and I guess the habit is ingrained. I might shoot raw + jpeg if I think a scene will give me trouble.

I started relying on jpegs when I came to Fuji because I was daunted by the endless discussion about suitable RAW converters and the difficulties people experienced with RAW conversion and the watercolor effect. (These discussions are still going on..... there was another thread in the past week.) And many a poster has commented that while RAW was more flexible, they actually found it difficult to do much better in terms of sharpness than the camera jpegs anyway. I've since come to like the Fuji jpeg quality and do also use the film simulations available to jpeg only.

I acknowledge that one may be able to do more with RAW, but I rarely find that I need to do much to my jpegs out of the XT1 anyway. I may adjust contrast, color, shadows or highlights but find that these changes are minimal and easily accomplished in jpeg with my ancient version of Photoshop or in the PSE10 on my laptop. I might also use cloning to clean up issues of one sort or another. I've never found jpeg a limitation for the low level of adjustments I do.

Would I be better off using RAW? Yes, sometimes. All the time? No. I doubt I'll ever be a heavy user of PP - I like using a camera more than I like PP. So my uses are likely to remain tweaking for printing in moderate sizes and web use. I do experience the watercolor effect sometimes - in foliage and the 'worms' in stone - but it doesn't stand out in every shot. I suspect from my reading that I'd need to buy Iridient and experiment with it to do a lot better. At this point in time, I'm a busy single parent and enthusiast rather than professional photographer and time is precious. Spending more of it in PP just isn't a priority when the jpegs are in fact very good indeed.

I guess the best strategy is to shoot RAW+ jpeg and experiment - see what works for you.

Regards, Rod
 
I interpreted the comparison of tiff to slide file as a lossless format, unlike jpeg. So you would have your original "master" file with camera settings applied and perhaps more ability to edit if desired. I didn't think that the comparison extended to the tonal properties or other characteristics of slide films. Likewise, I don't see that a preference for raw or tiff is "snobbery". And Polaroids provide instant results, as do jpegs. No need to defend or disparage jpegs. I can see that this thread has the potential to sink to the level of insults and attacks on straw men. Hope it doesn't.
No, I don't mean to attack anyone but if you read this post from the perspective of a JPEG user (I use mostly RAW by the way) it's pretty disparaging to say the least.
I did not mean to be disparaging to JPEG users, sorry if I left that impression.

( had to look up the meaning of disparaging, English is not my native tongue. learned something, thanks :-) ),
Sorry Kees, now I know that English isn't your native tongue I understand that I may have misinterpreted the true meaning of your post.
Whilst RAW does give immense post capture flexibility it doesn't gain much over a properly exposed JPEG where conditions allow this.
Agree as long as "conditions do allow", problem often is where subtle tonal gradations are lost in the jpeg.
True but it's also important to mention that image files are compressed before printing so subtle gradations may still be lost. This is a very complicated subject but I do agree that an option of OOC TIFF's could be very useful although these TIFF's are BIG files!
Why would image files be compressed before printing?
Sorry, my inaccurate language is getting me into trouble now. What I should have said is printer software converts images into a language the printer understands. Importantly though most printers (if not all) cannot print anywhere near the number of shades a RAW file can contain which = image compression.

Kees
Compression, or lack there of, and bit-depth (number of shades) is important in the PP stage when data is heavily manipulated. Once the image is rendered, processes like using correct ICC profiles, choice of color space, rendering intent, etc. fine-tune the image for the printer and paper, but I rarely hear that referred to as image compression.

The tonality advantage of the 14-bit RAW file is important for PP, before printing.

Sal
 

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