Word is spreading. Canon 10D AF soiling reputation.

You may have a good one. But there are many out there that have
problems. People have to start believing there Canon product has a
flaw so Canon will fix it. IMO all 10D's have a focus issue.
THERE IT IS! The cards are on the table now. This is what's been going on here. It's been an opinion battle. Here's a guy who claims he's been biased against buying a 10D because of this forum and someone responds to calm the fear a bit but then he gets shot down by someone who WANTS people to believe that ALL 10Ds are DEFECTIVE because HE had one.
 
Sorry to continue the nonsense, but I think you can see why someone
looking to make a DSLR purshase would be confused by all of the
posts.
Exactly! I've pointed that out to DavidP but he insist that anyone who lets this forum sway their decision are "idiots" and that's his EXACT word, not mine.
 
Methinks the 10D is a victim by default. After the success of its
older siblings (1D/D30/D60) which were priced a lot higher at
launch, the 10D came at a remarkable price point that made it
feasible to a whole lot more people who couldn't afford or wouldn't
spend 2,000 bucks on a D60.
This is my thinking as well. Also, these people described in your above paragraph who bought the 10D, likely stretched their finances and justification to do so and ANY problem they enounter with the camera will be a BIG one. And since they didn't have any problem like this with their P&S camera, they're likely to believe it's the camera's fault and there's a group of people here dedicated to help foster this concept.
 
I am fairly new to the 10D, and I am having problems adjusting my
shooting style (formerly on film) to the camera. I am particularly
having a problem getting the hang of the AF. In controlled
situations with the camera on a tripod, I can get some razor-sharp
images, but I have yet to figure out how to stop the autofocus from
hunting all over the place. I've set the Cfn07 to the center AF
point, I shoot everything in manual, Shutter or Aperture priority
mode. It's my reading of the manual that the AF should lock when I
depress the shutter halfway and hold it, but when I do this to get
a focus lock and return to my composition, the AF kicks in again
and focuses where it wants to.

What am I doing wrong?
I am a new user also and I feel so much confused, desperate,
frustrated, addle and much more with all the information that
people is just writing away without being aware that in this world
is full of people like me, that come to this site the LEARN what
others people have experimented. Making statements from "what I
heard" type of thing, I think is not right at all. Now I feel like
I just wanna return my camera and not even find out if it has
something wrong! I was looking at my pictures yesterday and I
noticed that in one of them the sharpness is not as flawless as I
thought! Now I am wondering if camera has the problem. I used the
Sigma 105 1:1 macro lens at 27 which you should get a pretty sharp
image....oh well maybe is not even worth it to try and discuss the
sharpness issue, or is it?
 
Even using the 0.6% failure rate that's often stated, that's 180
bad ones per month.

If just half of those find their way to forums (and DPR is quite
popular), that's one heck of a lot of posts, isn't it?
Many years ago I was considering buying a Gateway and visited the Usenet Gateway forum. Judging from that forum, NO one should ever have bought a Gateway (and this was at their apex--terrific reputation, etc.). However, there were some there who had had problems, also felt they had been slighted by Gateway support/techs, etc. There were long threads with lots of nasty discussion. If I had had less experience with both computers and usenet---I would never have considered a Gateway at that point (BTW, I have my machines built for me now). I suspect this is similar. I personally now have put my hands on a 10D (day before yesterday) and found it fine using a 70-200 f/2.8 IS--and was told by the owner, a long time good medium format photographer, that he was well satisfied with it (and his prints were outstanding)---and he personally knows a number of other good longtime photographers who are very happy with theirs. He also said he had never heard anything about a 'focus' issue. So----there you go (and he's 'net knowledgable--just doesn't visit forums like this one).

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You should care because if rumors persist and hurt the sales,
Cannon could move on to a replacement model and your 10D could
become an orphan with limited support options and lower resale
value.
I would bet the cycle will not be nearly as long as between the D30 and 60.

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Does anyone here actually see Canon admitting there is a problem and recalling the 10D, or at least posting some kind of firmware fix? I leave of South Africa in just over a week, and I am still not sure that I made a mistake when I chose the 10D over the D100.

I really want to love my new camera.... but this forum is getting inside my brain and causing me to be suspicious of it.

Eric
While my own 10D seems to have perfectly fine AF, I'm surprised at
the widespread knowledge of the "AF Problem" even in non-techies.

This weekend I met a guy looking to get his second digital camera.
"I like the Canon cameras, but I hear they have mixed-up
autofocus." He didn't even know which model, just heard that Canon
can't get autofocus right.

I wouldn't think much of it, except that this is the THIRD time
I've heard comments like this from people much less obsessed than
us here in the forum. We're not talking about measurebators any
more -- these are folks thinking of making the stretch into SLR and
doing a few google searches. The first thing they find is
thousands of debating messages about AF this and that.

Canon needs to get their head out of the sand, make some public
statements, and say "Here is our AutoFocus specification. If we
sell a camera that doesn't measure up, we will fix it."
Calibrating each lens, hiding the service manual, second and third
return trips to service -- disavowing any problem is souring their
reputation.
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DrMark wrote:

... using the same tactic of the "doubt spreaders" here, maybe you don't KNOW you have a focus issue with your D100. After all, it appears that you typically shoot at small apertures (such as the f/13 example shot you supplied) which would hide any focus deviations. You might not be as "lucky" as you think you are. ;-)
 
Many years ago I was considering buying a Gateway and visited the
Usenet Gateway forum. Judging from that forum, NO one should ever
have bought a Gateway (and this was at their apex--terrific
reputation, etc.). However, there were some there who had had
problems, also felt they had been slighted by Gateway
support/techs, etc. There were long threads with lots of nasty
discussion. If I had had less experience with both computers and
usenet---I would never have considered a Gateway at that point
(BTW, I have my machines built for me now). I suspect this is
similar. I personally now have put my hands on a 10D (day before
yesterday) and found it fine using a 70-200 f/2.8 IS--and was told
by the owner, a long time good medium format photographer, that he
was well satisfied with it (and his prints were outstanding)---and
he personally knows a number of other good longtime photographers
who are very happy with theirs. He also said he had never heard
anything about a 'focus' issue. So----there you go (and he's 'net
knowledgable--just doesn't visit forums like this one).

--
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http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
Similarly, I have a friend who works in a camera store. He owns a 10D and the store has sold a BUNCH of them (including the two I own) and none of them have been returned for any focus issues. He did think, at first, that he also had a focus problem but discovered the problem was his unfamiliarity with THIS camera even though he's had MANY YEARS of experience with SLRs. He lurked here and saw all the garbage but due to a bad experience with someone who disagreed vehemently and belligerently with him about his views on the Fuji S2 (which he sold in order to buy the 10D) in another forum, he decided against voicing his opinion here.
 
...if the result is that a sports photog buys a 1D instead, that fallss in the category of all's well that ends well.

Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net
You shouldn't be allowing this forum to make your decision against
buyijng a 10D for you? DavidP has said that anyone who does that is
an "idiot". I'm not bashing David but this is a case in point and
not the only one available. I've said that this forum is having a
negative impact on sales of the 10D because of all the negativity
surround the "10D AF issue" postings and David has said that it
isn't.
BUT

I have come to the conclusion that i am going to buy a 1D :)
 
...it'd be recognized as a classic. ;-)

Nill
~~
http://www.toulme.net
Maybe John Mankos can explain it better. He's a prime example.
He likes the way the D60 focuses better than the 10D. The 10D's
center AF sensor is big enough that it often looks past small
targets (like birds) and focuses on the grass behind it. He didn't
have that problem with the D60.

He's since gone back to the D60. Even AFTER getting his 10D focus
calibration issues solved.
Yes, even after my miscalibration issues were taken care of....I
still wasnt happy with the accuracy of the focusing system.

The D60 is a bit slower (in good light it's hardly noticable). The
D60 will hunt sometimes if the contrast isn't what it needs, or if
the light is very poor.

However....I'm confident that when the D60 locks focus....I got the
shot. I could never get that feeling of trust with the 10D. I'd
MUCH rather have to re-try focus because it didnt get a
lock.....rather than go home thinking I got a bunch of good shots
that were actually missed becaus the camera grabbed something in
the background that was outside of the square.
The oversized 10D AF sensor could be considered a "design flaw".
It's certainly worth keeping in mind. It may or may not have a
negative impact on a person's shooting.
Uh?
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I really want to love my new camera.... but this forum is getting
inside my brain and causing me to be suspicious of it.
Though I don't have a 10D and don't plan to buy one (waiting for the '3D' or some other newer body), I'm still just considering not reading this forum at all LOL. It gets inside your head even though your own camera functions fine.

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I do believe I said unduly swayed, or something to that effect. This IS the internet, after all.
Exactly! I've pointed that out to DavidP but he insist that anyone
who lets this forum sway their decision are "idiots" and that's his
EXACT word, not mine.
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Focus calibration issues (if you have one) can be fixed by Canon. You have a very low chance of having that issue.

The other big focus issue is simply the size of the center AF point. So you have to know how it behaves, and adjust your shooting style accordingly.
Does anyone here actually see Canon admitting there is a problem
and recalling the 10D, or at least posting some kind of firmware
fix? I leave of South Africa in just over a week, and I am still
not sure that I made a mistake when I chose the 10D over the D100.

I really want to love my new camera.... but this forum is getting
inside my brain and causing me to be suspicious of it.
--
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http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
 
I own both a 1DS and a 10D. Ihave found that to get consistently sharp pictures on the 10D, it is very important to use good technique to avoid camera shake, and to make absolutely sure you and the camera have agreed on the focus point--ie pay attention to which of those little red boxes are lighting up, and move the field of view if necessary and then lock focus and recompose. When I watch out for the details, I have absolutely no problem.

On the 1Ds, it's almost impossible fo me to take a bad picture (technically, that is--it's still easy for me to take aesthetically lousy pictures).

I suspect that the 10D is just a harder camera to use correctly--- an extra $6,000 allows much bettter technology in the 1DS.

I would not hesitate to recommend the 10D to anyone. It's a wonderful, low-noise, camera which is very flexible. I don;t believe that there are as many defective ones out there as people seem to think.

Stan
Yes, I believe that people have had problems with autofocus on 10D.
But I also believe that through a small feedback loop it has gotten
exaggerated beyond any semblance of reality.
My thoughts exactly. And I do own a 10D, but I am so inept I
actually think it works.

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I do believe I said unduly swayed, or something to that effect.
This IS the internet, after all.
Still, it was not nice to refer to others as "idiots" just because they use this forum to research their purchase. Some people here, like Steven, rely on this forum to strike out at Canon and sway people away from the 10D. If he didn't think he could, he probably wouldn't even be here.
 
You also conveniently forget the fact that I said "idiot" was a poor choice of words. "Ignorant" (or "unaware", for the PC crowd) is a better choice.

And I stick by that. Those who let internet forums unduly influence their decisions are ignorant/unaware of the nature of internet forums. At least that's the only logical explanation I can come up with.
Exactly! I've pointed that out to DavidP but he insist that anyone
who lets this forum sway their decision are "idiots" and that's his
EXACT word, not mine.
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The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
 
Ack! I think I have gone 'round the bend. I need to disconnect, go shoot, and never return to this forum!

Seriously though, I guess I need to first determine if I even have an issue, and then worry about what to do about it if I do.
The other big focus issue is simply the size of the center AF
point. So you have to know how it behaves, and adjust your
shooting style accordingly.
Does anyone here actually see Canon admitting there is a problem
and recalling the 10D, or at least posting some kind of firmware
fix? I leave of South Africa in just over a week, and I am still
not sure that I made a mistake when I chose the 10D over the D100.

I really want to love my new camera.... but this forum is getting
inside my brain and causing me to be suspicious of it.
--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
--
Eric Lamont
http://www.pbase.com/elamont

Remember yesterday... Live today... Dream about tomorrow...

 

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