Is Olympus Stylus 1/1s the best compromise ever?

I do not know if anyone has mentioned this but the 28mm maximum field of view probably cost it sales as 24mm is pretty much the standard now. Olympus seem to have a bit of a block here as their m43 pancake zoom is the same at 14-42 which is unusual by modern standards.
Hi,

I am not an Olympus user, but after about 2 years in m4/3 I do miss the compact or 1 lens approach of my FZ150 and previous similar cameras. However the 1/2.3 sensor is indeed small especially in low light and also size of cameras with larger sensors is quite big (FZ1000, RX10, G3X etc).

Olympus seems to be the perfect solution: Larger sensor than 1/2.3, small camera, tilting screen, respectable zoom which can be modified through add on lenses etc. How come didn't this Olympus make a huge success i the P&S area?

Was the quality difference with 1/2.3 sensor not big enough? Did Olympus not promote it enough?

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The Olympus Stylus 1s seems to be quite a nice camera. I have held them several times at stores here in Japan. Feels nothing like the Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, etc. superzoom plastic cameras that have so-so EVFs and 1/2.3" sensors. The feeling of the Stylus 1s is of a higher quality body with a good EVF. Actually, it feels much like an OM-D body and looks much like one except it has a 28-300mm f2.8 (equivalent) lens attached.

The 1/1.7" 12mp sensor is almost surely the same Sony BSI sensor that is in the Canon G16. See this post I made about it:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54568251

It is a good sensor and, especially using raw, is sort of surprising considering its size.

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According to imaging-resource.com the Stylus 1 (non s) does have touch focus. DPR info is wrong, I guess.
I'm not sure where you read that. DPR specs indicates the touch LCD panel can select the focus point. And from their Oct 2013 “First Impressions” review:

The display is touch-sensitive, and can be used for for specifying a focus point...

I don't own one, but used a Stylus 1 with the firmware upgrade for several weeks back in May. It's small, light and has a solid feel. For those of us who shoot action scenes, the EVF is more than worth the slight extra bulk. Focus is fast and accurate even in marginal lighting. As a travel camera, the zoom range was nearly ideal for me. The constant aperture lens pulled off long shots in failing light that I would have otherwise given up on. It has a well balanced feature set and is fun to use.

I agree the trend in premium compacts is moving to 1” sensors. However, cameras such as the RX10, FZ1000 and G3X are really pushing my acceptable size and weight limits. At that size I'm thinking it would be better to jump to m4/3 or even APS-C SLR if IQ was my top priority.

Other than a different grip and a new slightly higher capacity battery, the 1s was nothing more than a firmware update. The core design is now 2 years old. Hopefully Oly will evolve the line while retaining its compact form factor.

There was a question regarding the TCON-17X. A member of our club has one and it's definitely big. Check the last 2 pages of the following DPR review.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7663212813/hands-on-with-the-olympus-stylus-1
 
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Stylus 1 (non s) does have touch focus. DPR info is wrong, I guess.
I'm not sure where you read that. DPR specs indicates the touch LCD panel can select the focus point.
In the side-by-side comparison, Autofocus section, "Touch" is listed for the Stylus 1s but not for the Stylus 1.
All I know is that my Stylus 1 has touch focus and touch release and the touch functions are described in the Stylus 1 .pdf manual (p. 43.)
 
Stylus 1 (non s) does have touch focus. DPR info is wrong, I guess.
I'm not sure where you read that. DPR specs indicates the touch LCD panel can select the focus point.
In the side-by-side comparison, Autofocus section, "Touch" is listed for the Stylus 1s but not for the Stylus 1.
both Stylus 1 and 1s DEFINITELY have Touch Focus.

In fact, the rear left rocker activates the touch focus screen. A grid of green boxes.

You previously select the focus area size you want elsewhere in the menu: large, medium, small. Then you can change the focus location within the frame by touching a box in the grid, or using the rockers. It's instant, and terrific.

The 1s and firmware upgrade to the 1 adds a smaller focus area size which I call speck.

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I believe it's lack of publicity is a combination of things:

1. Olympus hasn't pushed it aggressively, although it has received good marks in the serious reviews.

2. The minimum sensor "standard" for advanced compact cameras has moved up to the 1" size, e.g. Nikon 1, FZ1000, etc. The pundits such as Thom Hogan aren't likely to pay much attention to a smaller size.

3. The fast lens, 12mp, and 1/1.7 sensor make for a good low light camera, but you don't see it ballyhooed as such.

I own one and consider it a gem. If one compares its noise performance with other larger sensor cameras on the DP comparison page it holds up very well against the 1" and even some 4/3 cameras.

Richard Southworth
"and even some 4/3 cameras."

Are you sure about that?
 
I was surprised to see the G7 is not much larger or heavier. Of course you need to buy extra lens(es) and be willing to carry and change them in the field.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#618,621

On Amazon currently the Stylus 1 costs $100 more than the 1s, weird! The G7 plus telephoto lens would cost hundreds more.
 
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I believe it's lack of publicity is a combination of things:

1. Olympus hasn't pushed it aggressively, although it has received good marks in the serious reviews.

2. The minimum sensor "standard" for advanced compact cameras has moved up to the 1" size, e.g. Nikon 1, FZ1000, etc. The pundits such as Thom Hogan aren't likely to pay much attention to a smaller size.

3. The fast lens, 12mp, and 1/1.7 sensor make for a good low light camera, but you don't see it ballyhooed as such.

I own one and consider it a gem. If one compares its noise performance with other larger sensor cameras on the DP comparison page it holds up very well against the 1" and even some 4/3 cameras.

Richard Southworth
"and even some 4/3 cameras."

Are you sure about that?
I just compared to a FX1000 @ iso800 and it's not even close.... won't even look at any 4/3 comparisons...
 
I don't have the stylus 1, but here is a high iso comparison of the XZ-2 with the 12MP 1/1.7" sensor and the m43 panasonic GM1. At iso 3200. The images were almost identical. I have croped the centre and Downsized them to the same size.



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Yannis1976 said:
Did you mean FZ1000? Could you please post some images?

Thx!

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For what it is the Stylus 1 is probably a fine camera. And you have to pixel peep to really see the difference.... (and yes, typo...meant FZ1000)

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Yes, for web viewing at less than 1:1, they are fine cameras....so is my iPhone 4s.... but the previous claim that the Stylus 1 compares well to 1" and 4/3 is without substance.....
I don't have the stylus 1, but here is a high iso comparison of the XZ-2 with the 12MP 1/1.7" sensor and the m43 panasonic GM1. At iso 3200. The images were almost identical. I have croped the centre and Downsized them to the same size.

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I don't have the stylus 1, but here is a high iso comparison of the XZ-2 with the 12MP 1/1.7" sensor and the m43 panasonic GM1. At iso 3200. The images were almost identical. I have croped the centre and Downsized them to the same size.

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Nearly identical? You must be kidding.

I had an XZ-2 (a couple) and at ISO 800 and above, noise was a real problem. Any attempts to apply NR was met with noticeable detail smearing.

Here's a Stylus 1 JPEG vs. the GM1 at only ISO 1600, quite a difference:



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I was surprised to see the G7 is not much larger or heavier. Of course you need to buy extra lens(es) and be willing to carry and change them in the field.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#618,621

On Amazon currently the Stylus 1 costs $100 more than the 1s, weird! The G7 plus telephoto lens would cost hundreds more.
Well yes, but the essence of the Stylus-1 is you are not taking additional lenses. Sure my E-PM2 + Panasonic 20mm is about the size of the Stylus-1, and it will beat the Stylus if you can shoot at 20mm, but the Stylus-1 will wnl if you need to shoot at 14mm or 150mm.

Lets see to compare the Stylus-1 to the G7 + 14-140mm you get:

http://camerasize.com/compact/#494,621.34,ha,t

I find I tend to take the Stylus-1 out if I'm not intended to primarily shoot photos. It fits easily in a jacket pocket (and large pants pocket not as easily), can take reasonable pictures without changing lenses. It has an EVF, so it is more usable in the bright sun (though like all Olympus EVF's there are problems in using polarised sunglasses).

Even if I'm shooting in earnest with a full camera bag, I usually throw the Stylus-1 in at the top of the bag to shoot spur of the moment shots, when the E-M5 or E-M5 are suited up for their main tasks with the faster lens with less zoom range. It is convenient to quickly grab the Stylus-1 and shoot something at 150mm when a decisive moment comes up.

One of my complaints about the Stylus-1 is that it is not weather sealed. So if you are going out for hours at a time, it is best to carry a plastic bag to protect the poor thing in case rain shows up.

That being said, the price of the Stylus 1S can be daunting. Would I have picked up the Stylus-1 if I wasn't already in the Olympus camp and wanting something that fit in with my other cameras, I dunno. Perhaps if it was at $300 rather than $700, it would be an easier sell.
 
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Stylus 1 (non s) does have touch focus. DPR info is wrong, I guess.
I'm not sure where you read that. DPR specs indicates the touch LCD panel can select the focus point.
In the side-by-side comparison, Autofocus section, "Touch" is listed for the Stylus 1s but not for the Stylus 1.
It has both touch to focus and touch to shoot options. As somebody else mentioned, this is documented on page 43. It had this in the original Stylus-1 before the 2.0 firmware update.

In January 2015, Olympus updated the firmware to 2.0, adding the features of the Stylus 1s (other than the physical features like improved grip): Stylus-1 2.0 firmware update

The changes added are:
  • Small AF Target ([ ・ ]s) was added to AF target functions. You can focus on a quarter size of small points as the normal setting.
  • Display of focal distance became selectable from [Magnification], [Focal Length] and [35mm equiv.].
  • Step zoom was newly added. You can jump to the selected 9 grades of magnification (28 / 35 / 50 / 70 / 85 / 100 / 135 / 200 / 300 mm, equivalent to 35 mm photography).
  • Focus Peaking was added to MF assist functions. Points with clear outline are highlighted in white or black.
  • Interval shooting (maximum 999 shots, interval: 1 sec. - 24 h) and time lapse movie were added.
  • Conversion lens [WCON-08X] became available. Setting is required when it is attached to the camera.
 
For me, who will only use fixed lens cameras, and will not carry anything bigger than a jacket pocket size camera, it is definitely the best compromise. I bought the wonderful Sony RX10, found I left it home most of the time, sold it, bought the Stylus 1, absolutely no regrets.

Out of the box, it has default settings that limit it's potential (shame on Oly). After a few months, I put this setup suggestions thread together:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3790370?page=2#forum-post-56469086

After use, I find, in certain situations, f3.2 is a speck sharper than f2.8. I am not alone in this conclusion, however, most of the time I shoot f2.8, quite satisfactorily.

I also have the 1.7x tele conversion lens, it maintains f2.8, giving 510mm optical at f2.8, which is incredible when you think about it.

I use and like the 2X feature, so I get f2.8 to 600mm, andwith the 1.7x, 1,020mm.

gotta go now to a soccer game, Stylus 1 does fab for that.

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Elliott
I think there are 2 sets of people who are tempted by the Stylus 1:

1. those that have and use or want a dslr kit, (and or aps-c camera kit), and want something else 'good enough' for easy size and use. Stylus 1 fits that very well. People that might print large are also in this group. Those that want the capability of shallow depth of focus a larger sensor clearly gives are here also. Their larger sensor dslrs give them both.

2. those like me, fixed lens only, never had or want a dslr, nothing bigger than jacket pocket/small belt/shoulder case.

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I forgot to mention, I think anyone should have 2 cameras, especially for travel, anything can break, soooo, I say get a complimentary pair.

Stylus 1 jacket pocket size, with decent reach, PAIRED with a 2nd camera, in my case, Sony RX100 m1 and m3, less reach, larger sensor, brighter lens. In group 1, the Stylus would be paired with an even larger sensor

rx100 f1.8 with type 1 sensor, with a great lens, pants pocket size, always with you is awesome, add the Stylus 1 to that, what a combo, and, for some, not everyone, add the tele 1.7x to that for occasional use in the woods finding birds, etc., wow.

that pair gives me type 1 sensor, f1.8 24mm to f2.8 at 70mm and then the Stylus 1, 1/1.7" sensor (large for a fixed lens zoom) adds f2.8 28mm to 300/510/2X600/2X1020mm, AWESOME. To get that in a dslr kit would cost a lot, and be pretty big kit.

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I had an XZ-1 for a while, loved it, except it could not focus well for videos in music clubs, so returned it. It's a great lens, but, rx100 type 1 sensor with a great lens beats it.

I wish Oly would upgrade the XZ-2 to a type 1 sensor. If you think that would be just another 'me too' type 1 camera, so what, they are great, and Oly is missing out,

OR, take the larger jacket pocket size Stylus 1 body, put a type 1 sensor in it, and start at 24mm to _____? (whatever reach they can out of a great lens), keeping the options for filters and conversion lenses. That would be a class by itself, sandwiched between the rx100 and the RX10 which is too big for me.

IOW, forget trying for pants pocket size, take the sensor somewhere new.

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Someone asked about the size of the conversion lens. Keep in mind, you don't use it much, but when you do, it is superb, and, how big is an interchangeable zoom lens, constant f2.8 28mm to 510mm, with excellent IS? Huge, and damn pricey.

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3 cases,

top black one fits Stylus 1 with the tele 1.7x (shown to the left with the adapter tube attached) attached.

middle brown one is belt loop or detachable shoulder strap for Stylus 1.

bottom nylon eyeglass case protects the rx100 from pocket lint and when out of pocket. it's tapered shape slips in/out of pants pockets with ease, you leave the wrist strap out of the case, like a mouse tail, so you do not need to jam your hand inside your pocket.

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9" long (outside) case fits camera with 1.7x lens mounted on it.

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Yes, for web viewing at less than 1:1, they are fine cameras....so is my iPhone 4s.... but the previous claim that the Stylus 1 compares well to 1" and 4/3 is without substance.....
Yes and no. If you are comparing a Stylus-1 to a m4/3rds with Pro f/2.8 lenses or prime lenses, sure, the m4/3rds will deliver better image quality. However, I don't think it is as clear cut if you compare a Stylus-1 to a m4/3rds using a consumer lens.

For example, lets say you are shooting something at 150mm equivalent focal length with the Stylus-1 and a m4/3rds with the Olympus 14-150mm lens. The Stylus-1 can shoot f/2.8, while the m4/3rds will be at f/5.6, which is two f/stops slower. That would mean, the Stylus-1 might be shooting at f/2.8 with ISO 800, while the m4/3rds would be shooting at f/5.6 with ISO 3200.

I've only done one quick test where I took no-flash pictures of my cat. The Stylus was shooting at f/2.8 at ISO 650, while the E-PM2/14-42mm and E-M5/12-50mm were both shooting at f/3.5 at ISO 2000. On this test, the default noise reduction on all 3 cameras blurred the detail in the cat's fur if you look at it at 100%. However, if you are looking at the images reduced to normal web resolution, the pictures are usable: http://www.the-meissners.org/2015-large-albums/2015-high-iso/index.html
 

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