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Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome.

I took quite a few dynamic monochrome pictures last weekend and all have been saved in colour. No warning from the camera and the picture showed as monochrome on the cameras screen at the time.
 
Michael Borrow said:
Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome.

I took quite a few dynamic monochrome pictures last weekend and all have been saved in colour. No warning from the camera and the picture showed as monochrome on the cameras screen at the time.
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I guess it's a normal behavior not limited just to this filter. RAW should be untouched so if You chose just a raw file and no jpg then a pure raw is saved. There should be however a warning that if You chose any filter it won't be applied if only raw is chosen
 
Dawindyk said:
Michael Borrow said:
Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome.

I took quite a few dynamic monochrome pictures last weekend and all have been saved in colour. No warning from the camera and the picture showed as monochrome on the cameras screen at the time.
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I guess it's a normal behavior not limited just to this filter. RAW should be untouched so if You chose just a raw file and no jpg then a pure raw is saved. There should be however a warning that if You chose any filter it won't be applied if only raw is chosen
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If you look at the .RW2 with Irfanview (which displays the file's embedded .JPG ) you'll see the monochrome image, and can save it as a JPG. It's downsized (5mpx instead of 20mpx) but might suffice for you.
 
I'd expect any camera set to save as RAW, would do this. Surely, the whole point of RAW is not to apply any JPEG settings. Maybe if you do JPEG + RAW you can get the best of both worlds.
 
Michael Borrow said:
Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome.

I took quite a few dynamic monochrome pictures last weekend and all have been saved in colour. No warning from the camera and the picture showed as monochrome on the cameras screen at the time.
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Yes, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. I'd expect all cameras to behave the same way.
 
Digital Nigel said:
Michael Borrow said:
Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome.

I took quite a few dynamic monochrome pictures last weekend and all have been saved in colour. No warning from the camera and the picture showed as monochrome on the cameras screen at the time.
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Yes, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. I'd expect all cameras to behave the same way.
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Yes, and - in a way - no!

Hadn't realised myself till today, but some manufacturers have designed their RAW format so that it includes a full-size JPG that's easily extracted WITH any effects in place - whereas, as mentioned already, the RW2 has only a small version.... saves time and card/disk space, but at a price?

For example, when set to its equivalent Mono process, here's the JPG extracted from a RAW of my 20MP Samsung NX1000.....





DPR's front page - RAW in colour, this the B&W JPG extracted from it, at full 20MP / 6MB
DPR's front page - RAW in colour, this the B&W JPG extracted from it, at full 20MP / 6MB

Bit of a faff, having to use IrfanView to get it, but does save 6MP per shot - which is handy as the SRW file's over 20MB in size!

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fz1000 guy said:
Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome.

I took quite a few dynamic monochrome pictures last weekend and all have been saved in colour. No warning from the camera and the picture showed as monochrome on the cameras screen at the time.
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All you have to do with the raw file is throw away the color and you have monochrome.
 
Thanks for the replies, yes I suppose it should be a bit obvious really. I have tried irfanview before, many thanks I will try it again.
 
fz1000 guy said:
Michael Borrow wrote:

Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome ...
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I'll be the first to admit I have not read the FZ1000 Advanced Manual cover-to-cover; i.e., have not yet read any of the video sections.

I have however thoroughly read the sections that apply to the features I want to use.

From the FZ1000 Advance Manual (PDF on CD) for RAW; page 133:

02074c93e17747b99370d4c351e830f2.jpg

Unfortunately need to read through other sections (e.g., iZoom, Extended Optical zoom, etc) to find out they are not usable with RAW. Hence the need to read the section(s) for each of the features/settings you want to use.

Cheers,
Jon
 
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Jon_T said:
Jon_T said:
Michael Borrow wrote:

Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome ...
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I'll be the first to admit I have not read the FZ1000 Advanced Manual cover-to-cover; i.e., have not yet read any of the video sections.

I have however thoroughly read the sections that apply to the features I want to use.

From the FZ1000 Advance Manual (PDF on CD) for RAW; page 133:

02074c93e17747b99370d4c351e830f2.jpg

Unfortunately need to read through other sections (e.g., iZoom, Extended Optical zoom, etc) to find out they are not usable with RAW. Hence the need to read the section(s) for each of the features/settings you want to use.

Cheers,
Jon
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Perhaps this will offer some additional insight into the various valid combinations

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54527326

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sherman_levine said:
Jon_T said:
sherman_levine said:
Michael Borrow wrote:

Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome ...
Click to expand...
I'll be the first to admit I have not read the FZ1000 Advanced Manual cover-to-cover; i.e., have not yet read any of the video sections.

I have however thoroughly read the sections that apply to the features I want to use.

From the FZ1000 Advance Manual (PDF on CD) for RAW; page 133:

02074c93e17747b99370d4c351e830f2.jpg

Unfortunately need to read through other sections (e.g., iZoom, Extended Optical zoom, etc) to find out they are not usable with RAW. Hence the need to read the section(s) for each of the features/settings you want to use.

Cheers,
Jon
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Perhaps this will offer some additional insight into the various valid combinations

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54527326
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Good info -- unless I missed it, you should add to your

"FZ1000 tips and tricks and FAQ" topic.
 
Jon_T said:
sherman_levine said:
Jon_T said:
Jon_T said:
Michael Borrow wrote:

Hi all,

Just a little warning for anyone else who did not know, if you shoot pictures using dynamic monochrome effect whilst the file setting is in raw mode, your pictures will be saved as colour not monochrome ...
Click to expand...
I'll be the first to admit I have not read the FZ1000 Advanced Manual cover-to-cover; i.e., have not yet read any of the video sections.

I have however thoroughly read the sections that apply to the features I want to use.

From the FZ1000 Advance Manual (PDF on CD) for RAW; page 133:

02074c93e17747b99370d4c351e830f2.jpg

Unfortunately need to read through other sections (e.g., iZoom, Extended Optical zoom, etc) to find out they are not usable with RAW. Hence the need to read the section(s) for each of the features/settings you want to use.

Cheers,
Jon
Click to expand...
Perhaps this will offer some additional insight into the various valid combinations

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54527326
Click to expand...
Good info -- unless I missed it, you should add to your

"FZ1000 tips and tricks and FAQ" topic.
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Thanks. It's included there already. "Menu restrictions in RAW and JPG"

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Michael Borrow said:
Thanks for the replies, yes I suppose it should be a bit obvious really. I have tried irfanview before, many thanks I will try it again.
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Is communication in the raw file to a raw converter so when you open up the raw file there are presets automatically say in ACR that give you the effect you are looking for.

That would be cool and the best of all worlds.


Carl
 
Ronomy said:
All you have to do with the raw file is throw away the color and you have monochrome.
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Yes, but not dynamic monochrome. Someone has pointed out above what you need to get both raw and a JPG with an effect applied: shoot raw + JPG.
 
Ronomy said:
If you line the effect the camera produces then I guess you have an argument. But when you shoot raw you process the image the way you want from scratch. Including monochrome if you like. I would rather shoot with color...that way I have the luxury of both.
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Dynamic monochrome is an interesting representation of the scene you're pointing at. I suppose it can be recreated with B/W software like Nik Silver Efex Pro, but you're missing seeing it in that mode at capture time. I think monochrome in the viewfinder or on the screen at exposure time leads one to a different choice of subjects, more governed by form and less seduced by color.

Shooting raw + JPG also provides the luxury of both, but at the expense of cluttering up your hard drive. :-)
 
morepix said:
Ronomy said:
If you line the effect the camera produces then I guess you have an argument. But when you shoot raw you process the image the way you want from scratch. Including monochrome if you like. I would rather shoot with color...that way I have the luxury of both.
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Dynamic monochrome is an interesting representation of the scene you're pointing at. I suppose it can be recreated with B/W software like Nik Silver Efex Pro, but you're missing seeing it in that mode at capture time. I think monochrome in the viewfinder or on the screen at exposure time leads one to a different choice of subjects, more governed by form and less seduced by color.

Shooting raw + JPG also provides the luxury of both, but at the expense of cluttering up your hard drive. :-)
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Trafford said:
morepix said:
Ronomy said:
If you line the effect the camera produces then I guess you have an argument. But when you shoot raw you process the image the way you want from scratch. Including monochrome if you like. I would rather shoot with color...that way I have the luxury of both.
Click to expand...
Dynamic monochrome is an interesting representation of the scene you're pointing at. I suppose it can be recreated with B/W software like Nik Silver Efex Pro, but you're missing seeing it in that mode at capture time. I think monochrome in the viewfinder or on the screen at exposure time leads one to a different choice of subjects, more governed by form and less seduced by color.

Shooting raw + JPG also provides the luxury of both, but at the expense of cluttering up your hard drive. :-)
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sherman_levine said:
Trafford said:
morepix said:
Ronomy said:
If you line the effect the camera produces then I guess you have an argument. But when you shoot raw you process the image the way you want from scratch. Including monochrome if you like. I would rather shoot with color...that way I have the luxury of both.
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Dynamic monochrome is an interesting representation of the scene you're pointing at. I suppose it can be recreated with B/W software like Nik Silver Efex Pro, but you're missing seeing it in that mode at capture time. I think monochrome in the viewfinder or on the screen at exposure time leads one to a different choice of subjects, more governed by form and less seduced by color.

Shooting raw + JPG also provides the luxury of both, but at the expense of cluttering up your hard drive. :-)
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