5 models 3 years same sensor !

ttran88 said:

I'm wondering if it's possible to adapt XF lenses to Sony's bodies. Similar to what a lot of people are doing with Canon EF lenses.

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deednets said:

FKS said:

Based on your reasoning, we would never have progressed beyond the stone age (Hey, I can forage, why do I need to farm? A cave keeps me dry, why do I need to build a house? Who needs tools and fire?).

I remember the same argument when digital showed up, or even further back when AF lenses came out. We all wouldn't be in this forum if not for technology moving forward.

I can't understand people who don't want their camera system to improve. Just because you're happy with what you have doesn't mean that it works for other people. Look at it this way, if a new sensor comes out, the old bodies will drop even lower in price. Great for you since that's all you need.

But then again it just might be that the new camera (or the one after it) will have something that you will find useful. Will you be singing the same tune then (trust me, I have yet to see anyone say they're still happy shooting with their Nikon D1 or Canon D30)?

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deednets said:

You say that like it's a bad thing. If it ain't broke, why fix it? I don't mind using 3-year old cameras; the investment is less and the photos are just as good for my purposes. Sometimes better. But don't get me wrong; if you want to pay twice as much for the latest-and-greatest than you would for the tried-and-true, then go for it. Have fun.

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ScottD1964 said:

Randy Benter said:

ScottD1964 said:

Hopefully Fuji introduces a new 24MP sensor with the X-Pro2

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I think that's what the OP said.

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and if the X-Pro2 doesn't have a new sensor, who cares. This one is very, very good and with what they're claiming will be an improved EXR-III processor (with better DR and better high ISO rendering) and the technology of the X100T and X-T1/X-T10 combined this will be quite a formidable piece of gear even without a higher MP sensor. The only people who are that hung up on the MP war are the measurebators who pixel peep every image to death on their computer but never print anything for display. That's a big difference. If Fuji doesn't release a new sensor until the organic sensor with Panasonic is ready it wouldn't be that big a deal.

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Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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Just curious, does their current sensor really hold you back? That may be a somewhat rhetorical question but I see the same complaints from people about a couple stops of low-ISO dynamic range in Canon's sensors. (And in many cases those people haven't a single gallery photo to share, or maybe just a few ducks/flowers shots, so I can't tell why - or if - the sensor poses any sort of actual problem for them.) There is always a temptation to hope that some upgrade will turn our photography into something better, but I suspect most of the time that hope doesn't pan out for long.

I've upgraded several times over the years and yet some photos I took with my earlier cameras are still favorites of mine.

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I am having an itch for upgrading...

I was drawn to Fuji because of its low light performance almost 3 yrs ago. But I still hang on to the X-E1 because all the newer model has the same sensor. If I need speed and speedlight, I use the Canon 70D.

Next one has to be vastly superior...

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DVT80111 said:

I have a Nikon-Sony NEX and Nikon-FX side by side, and they are about the same in focal length and about 2mm difference in mount diameter. I don't think there is room to make an adapter especially with the added electronics.

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Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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Just curious, does their current sensor really hold you back? That may be a somewhat rhetorical question but I see the same complaints from people about a couple stops of low-ISO dynamic range in Canon's sensors. (And in many cases those people haven't a single gallery photo to share, or maybe just a few ducks/flowers shots, so I can't tell why - or if - the sensor poses any sort of actual problem for them.) There is always a temptation to hope that some upgrade will turn our photography into something better, but I suspect most of the time that hope doesn't pan out for long.

I've upgraded several times over the years and yet some photos I took with my earlier cameras are still favorites of mine.

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I am having an itch for upgrading...

I was drawn to Fuji because of its low light performance almost 3 yrs ago. But I still hang on to the X-E1 because all the newer model has the same sensor. If I need speed and speedlight, I use the Canon 70D.

Next one has to be vastly superior...

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But what are your photos lacking that a better sensor would remedy? At least you don't have to spend the money yet - in the meantime maybe buy another good lens.

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Clayton1985 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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Just curious, does their current sensor really hold you back? That may be a somewhat rhetorical question but I see the same complaints from people about a couple stops of low-ISO dynamic range in Canon's sensors. (And in many cases those people haven't a single gallery photo to share, or maybe just a few ducks/flowers shots, so I can't tell why - or if - the sensor poses any sort of actual problem for them.) There is always a temptation to hope that some upgrade will turn our photography into something better, but I suspect most of the time that hope doesn't pan out for long.

I've upgraded several times over the years and yet some photos I took with my earlier cameras are still favorites of mine.

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I am having an itch for upgrading...

I was drawn to Fuji because of its low light performance almost 3 yrs ago. But I still hang on to the X-E1 because all the newer model has the same sensor. If I need speed and speedlight, I use the Canon 70D.

Next one has to be vastly superior...

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But what are your photos lacking that a better sensor would remedy? At least you don't have to spend the money yet - in the meantime maybe buy another good lens.

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Improved on sensor PDAF would remedy many things. Improved dynamic range, resolution and low light performance would be helpful but probably wouldn't make a huge impact for the average Fuji X user.

But really everyone here arguing against the OP's thread should really think about this from Fuji's perspective. Fuji won't grow the system and they won't sell more cameras and lenses without addressing any gaps between them and the competition and now the sensor is a gap whether you see it or not. The 16mp sensor is good but the competitive sensors are better and they continue improving. Even if the 16mp sensor is all you need you should want Fuji to stay reasonably current so that the system continues to grow. There is no reason Fuji needs to release cameras and updated sensors nearly as frequently as Sony but they need to be faster than they have been.

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57even said:

Clayton1985 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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Just curious, does their current sensor really hold you back? That may be a somewhat rhetorical question but I see the same complaints from people about a couple stops of low-ISO dynamic range in Canon's sensors. (And in many cases those people haven't a single gallery photo to share, or maybe just a few ducks/flowers shots, so I can't tell why - or if - the sensor poses any sort of actual problem for them.) There is always a temptation to hope that some upgrade will turn our photography into something better, but I suspect most of the time that hope doesn't pan out for long.

I've upgraded several times over the years and yet some photos I took with my earlier cameras are still favorites of mine.

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I am having an itch for upgrading...

I was drawn to Fuji because of its low light performance almost 3 yrs ago. But I still hang on to the X-E1 because all the newer model has the same sensor. If I need speed and speedlight, I use the Canon 70D.

Next one has to be vastly superior...

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But what are your photos lacking that a better sensor would remedy? At least you don't have to spend the money yet - in the meantime maybe buy another good lens.

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Improved on sensor PDAF would remedy many things. Improved dynamic range, resolution and low light performance would be helpful but probably wouldn't make a huge impact for the average Fuji X user.

But really everyone here arguing against the OP's thread should really think about this from Fuji's perspective. Fuji won't grow the system and they won't sell more cameras and lenses without addressing any gaps between them and the competition and now the sensor is a gap whether you see it or not. The 16mp sensor is good but the competitive sensors are better and they continue improving. Even if the 16mp sensor is all you need you should want Fuji to stay reasonably current so that the system continues to grow. There is no reason Fuji needs to release cameras and updated sensors nearly as frequently as Sony but they need to be faster than they have been.

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Which competitive sensors?

There is a Sony 24MP sensor, which will be in the Xpro2. There is the Samsung sensor and there are a bunch of Canon sensors which have poor DR.

Other than that you have MFT.

So, there is ONE sensor on the market which is 'better' than the one in the Fujis, but mainly because it has more focus points.

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DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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Powerdoc said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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By good sensor, I mean a sensor who will be better in all areas than the 16 mp sensor, currently used by Fuji.

My bet, is that there is waiting for the BSI sensor. If it was just to use the 24 mp sensor, they could have done it earlier. But Fuji was not interested, because low noise was a priority for them. The current 24 mp are not that good at that.

There is also a possibility that Fuji change of partner for the next sensor. Why not a 27 mp X trans sensor based on the 27 mp BSI sensor ?

Who knows apart Fuji and his potential partners ?

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Clayton1985 said:

57even said:

Clayton1985 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Midwest said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

Click to expand...

Just curious, does their current sensor really hold you back? That may be a somewhat rhetorical question but I see the same complaints from people about a couple stops of low-ISO dynamic range in Canon's sensors. (And in many cases those people haven't a single gallery photo to share, or maybe just a few ducks/flowers shots, so I can't tell why - or if - the sensor poses any sort of actual problem for them.) There is always a temptation to hope that some upgrade will turn our photography into something better, but I suspect most of the time that hope doesn't pan out for long.

I've upgraded several times over the years and yet some photos I took with my earlier cameras are still favorites of mine.

Click to expand...

I am having an itch for upgrading...

I was drawn to Fuji because of its low light performance almost 3 yrs ago. But I still hang on to the X-E1 because all the newer model has the same sensor. If I need speed and speedlight, I use the Canon 70D.

Next one has to be vastly superior...

Click to expand...

But what are your photos lacking that a better sensor would remedy? At least you don't have to spend the money yet - in the meantime maybe buy another good lens.

Click to expand...

Improved on sensor PDAF would remedy many things. Improved dynamic range, resolution and low light performance would be helpful but probably wouldn't make a huge impact for the average Fuji X user.

But really everyone here arguing against the OP's thread should really think about this from Fuji's perspective. Fuji won't grow the system and they won't sell more cameras and lenses without addressing any gaps between them and the competition and now the sensor is a gap whether you see it or not. The 16mp sensor is good but the competitive sensors are better and they continue improving. Even if the 16mp sensor is all you need you should want Fuji to stay reasonably current so that the system continues to grow. There is no reason Fuji needs to release cameras and updated sensors nearly as frequently as Sony but they need to be faster than they have been.

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Which competitive sensors?

There is a Sony 24MP sensor, which will be in the Xpro2. There is the Samsung sensor and there are a bunch of Canon sensors which have poor DR.

Other than that you have MFT.

So, there is ONE sensor on the market which is 'better' than the one in the Fujis, but mainly because it has more focus points.

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The Sony 24mp aps-c and 24mp ff, Sony 36mp ff, 42mp ff, and Samsung 28mp aps-c all have advantages over the Fuji 16mp sensor in one or more areas (DR, OSPDAF, resolution, high ISO, video) and I wouldn't dismiss the latest 20mp m4/3 sensor either.... it looks pretty good and has more resolution, better video and looks to have competitive DR and high ISO so it may very well end up being considered "better" than the 16mp sensor.

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Clayton1985 said:

As far as the X-Pro2..... it likely will have one of the latest sensors but as far as I know it doesn't exist yet and we don't know for sure what sensor Fuji will use or when it will be released.

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Clayton1985 said:

But if you want to consider rumored cameras then you can add the rumored 24mp BSI sensor that is expected to be used in the Sony A7000 (also rumored to have 196 PDAF points). And even if there was only one aps-c sensor on the market which is 'better' than the Fujis.... if every other camera is using that sensor then it means that every other camera is ahead of the Fuji cameras.

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Clayton1985 said:

Sal Baker said:

darngooddesign said:

mg_k said:

Clayton1985 said:

Randy Benter said:

ScottD1964 said:

Hopefully Fuji introduces a new 24MP sensor with the X-Pro2

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I think that's what the OP said.

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and if the X-Pro2 doesn't have a new sensor, who cares. This one is very, very good and with what they're claiming will be an improved EXR-III processor (with better DR and better high ISO rendering) and the technology of the X100T and X-T1/X-T10 combined this will be quite a formidable piece of gear even without a higher MP sensor. The only people who are that hung up on the MP war are the measurebators who pixel peep every image to death on their computer but never print anything for display. That's a big difference. If Fuji doesn't release a new sensor until the organic sensor with Panasonic is ready it wouldn't be that big a deal.

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Glad Fuji has blind fanboy like you, you're exactly the reason why they will keep milking and not being competitive. Thank YOU!

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Incredible that Fuji spent all that time developing a new AF system, what with all their blind fanboys.

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I always wonder about the thought processes that drive one to go to a Fuji forum and accuse the members of being Fuji fans.

Sal

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I can't say that I'm completely up to speed on the terminology but I don't think fans and fanboys are the same thing.

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DMillier said:

Fuji are working with Panasonic on an "organic" sensor that promises significant improvements. However, there was news a while back about delays in getting it ready so perhaps these have inconvenienced their release schedule?

Powerdoc said:

DVT80111 said:

Fuji has been milking a same cow, it begins to get stale regardless how good it is.

It's due time for new sensor.

Can Fuji sell enough cameras to pay-off the investment?

Not sure if I am an investor, especially with what Sony is doing with their A7 series.

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By good sensor, I mean a sensor who will be better in all areas than the 16 mp sensor, currently used by Fuji.

My bet, is that there is waiting for the BSI sensor. If it was just to use the 24 mp sensor, they could have done it earlier. But Fuji was not interested, because low noise was a priority for them. The current 24 mp are not that good at that.

There is also a possibility that Fuji change of partner for the next sensor. Why not a 27 mp X trans sensor based on the 27 mp BSI sensor ?

Who knows apart Fuji and his potential partners ?

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