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A7II first impressions (vs A6000 vs D750) - will update later
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Hans vdC
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Having been able to put the A7II through its paces and comparing it to my D750 and A6000, I've come to a rather refreshing conclusion. The A7II is great but it's not as good as my D750 for faster stuff (no surprises there). I just don't feel comfortable selling the D750 right now.
BUT... I also notice that since I have the A7II, I have pretty little interest in using my A6000, even though I have very good glass for the A6000. If I keep the D750, I have a camera that's very fast focussing, has great tracking and all the lenses one can imagine. If I would get the A7R2 I might limit myself. And I still have the RX100M3 for ultimate portability.
So I think I'm going to sell my whole A6000 setup, all lenses I have for it (1670Z, 24Z, SEL50, 1650) and also sell the A7II and use that money to get the A7R2 with one or two nice primes.
That way I'll have a very good SLR with good glass and amazing tracking, *and* the A7R2 which intrigues me to no end and should shine with primes. And I have the RX100M3 if I ever need something small.
I'm thinking the whole A6K setup should get me to around € 1.900 and the A7II will easily sell for € 1.200. Which is almost enough to fund the A7R2.
BUT... I also notice that since I have the A7II, I have pretty little interest in using my A6000, even though I have very good glass for the A6000. If I keep the D750, I have a camera that's very fast focussing, has great tracking and all the lenses one can imagine. If I would get the A7R2 I might limit myself. And I still have the RX100M3 for ultimate portability.
So I think I'm going to sell my whole A6000 setup, all lenses I have for it (1670Z, 24Z, SEL50, 1650) and also sell the A7II and use that money to get the A7R2 with one or two nice primes.
That way I'll have a very good SLR with good glass and amazing tracking, *and* the A7R2 which intrigues me to no end and should shine with primes. And I have the RX100M3 if I ever need something small.
I'm thinking the whole A6K setup should get me to around € 1.900 and the A7II will easily sell for € 1.200. Which is almost enough to fund the A7R2.
blue_skies
Forum Pro
Low light performance of the D750 is comparable to the A7R (link to DxO).
The A7ii falls slightly short of that, but the A7Rii should (easily) surpass that, especially if you do NR processing from RAW.
If low light is a very big consideration, why not look at the A7S? This will add a stop to the A7Rii, for most practical scenarios, at the cost of lowered resolution.
I do expect to see the BSI FF sensor in a future D760 or so, which would up the ante. Perhaps this camera is the one that you really want? If so, don't get the A7Rii, but stick to your A6000 and A7ii setup. Get some of the FE prime lenses (FE28, FE55Z) meanwhile.
The A7ii falls slightly short of that, but the A7Rii should (easily) surpass that, especially if you do NR processing from RAW.
If low light is a very big consideration, why not look at the A7S? This will add a stop to the A7Rii, for most practical scenarios, at the cost of lowered resolution.
I do expect to see the BSI FF sensor in a future D760 or so, which would up the ante. Perhaps this camera is the one that you really want? If so, don't get the A7Rii, but stick to your A6000 and A7ii setup. Get some of the FE prime lenses (FE28, FE55Z) meanwhile.
Hans vdC
Senior Member
I will get the primes anyway, I will put up the a7ii and a6000 up for sale because I know I will eventually get the a7r2. But for now I am too unsure to sell the d750 just yet, really need to use them side by side. Of course, only having the 28-70 for the a7ii isn't exactly a fair comparison to the great 24-120/4 let alone the zeiss 24z on the a 6000.
Lots of good news. Surprising that you find the JPEGS even better than Nikon D750.
Good news on the EVF.
Unfortunate that face detection still not as good as a6000 which I have.
IMHO I would sure find a full ATLCD to be major. Hope that comes in the a7000.
Good news on the EVF.
Unfortunate that face detection still not as good as a6000 which I have.
IMHO I would sure find a full ATLCD to be major. Hope that comes in the a7000.
Rocking the FE28 now: find it as nice as the 24z and for half the price, the improvements in IQ on the 24z just aren't worth it for me (I would be the only one seeing these improvements anyway). Looks like I will be keeping my A6000 and not go the hassle of selling it for a cam that's 3 x as expensive and renders marginal IQ improvements (none of my friend and family would see / care about the difference, I bet).
When I used the a7II with the 55mm/1.8 to take photos at a restaurant yesterday evening, I am sure I missed several pretty good shots due to the worse autofocus.
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But I did manage to get a few good ones. It is just more of a struggle. The size/form factor is less intimidating and makes me feel more confident using it in public than a large DSLR type, but that is a personal issue.
In my opinion the a7RII has a lot better low light focusing, particularly in the strongly backlit situations that I was in, and it has a lot more refined polish than the a7II, which is a good camera in good light, but starts to fall apart in low light.
Having never used the D750, I'm sure it's a great camera, but if you like the EVF / Live View experience, small form factor and IBIS, you should love the a7RII. What you could do is wait a few months, slowly sell off your gear, and then at the next sale of the a7RII, see how you like it.
Hans vdC
Senior Member
that is the plan. what I am NOT going to do is sell the d750 before getting the a7r2. I will try to sell off my a7ii and possibly the zeiss 24z and sel50. That should get me around 2k, which makes the a7r2 within reach whilst being able to keep my a6000 and 1670z (which I love). I do not mind spending a bit for a nice camera. From what I have experience thus far, the a6000 pleases me more than the a7ii (mind I have a ff dslr too).
Hans vdC
Senior Member
Btw, today we were at a wedding (teacher of my daughter) and I had the A7II + 2870 with me for some snap since my youngest had to do some stuff at the ceremony. There was a pro photographing the thing with a large Nikon setup. After the wedding, there was a small reception and he came up to me asking me about the A7II. He was very interested to hear my opinion about it since he was looking for one or two backup cameras to slim down, he was SO fed up taking a large backpack with him with three bodies with different lenses.
After a long and nice talk, he was kinda convinced to get 2 x A7II with a wide and portrait prime and only take one Nikon body with a zoom for the rest of the stuff. Manufacturers like Nikon and Canon might be surprised how many pro's are looking for a lighter alternative, maybe not for their main cameras but sure for their backups.
After a long and nice talk, he was kinda convinced to get 2 x A7II with a wide and portrait prime and only take one Nikon body with a zoom for the rest of the stuff. Manufacturers like Nikon and Canon might be surprised how many pro's are looking for a lighter alternative, maybe not for their main cameras but sure for their backups.
Hans vdC
Senior Member
This is why I love the a6000 so much, if the A7R2 could be this fast...11fps with face detection dead on. Amazingly sharp with the 1670Z almost wide open ooc :
vett93
Veteran Member
When I used the a7II with the 55mm/1.8 to take photos at a restaurant yesterday evening, I am sure I missed several pretty good shots due to the worse autofocus.
http://www.lightfinity.net/at-a-sushi-restaurant/
But I did manage to get a few good ones. It is just more of a struggle. The size/form factor is less intimidating and makes me feel more confident using it in public than a large DSLR type, but that is a personal issue.
In my opinion the a7RII has a lot better low light focusing, particularly in the strongly backlit situations that I was in, and it has a lot more refined polish than the a7II, which is a good camera in good light, but starts to fall apart in low light.
Having never used the D750, I'm sure it's a great camera, but if you like the EVF / Live View experience, small form factor and IBIS, you should love the a7RII. What you could do is wait a few months, slowly sell off your gear, and then at the next sale of the a7RII, see how you like it.
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Alpha Photo
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Please compare (if you have access to those), since they should give almost identical 24 MP photos. I did, and I found the A7ii so much shockingly better, that I immediately sold the A6000 (my plan was to keep both and have the A6000 for focal length extension).
Spec sheets tell only part of the story
Spec sheets tell only part of the story
vett93
Veteran Member
Sharp 1670Z lens! I bought my A6000 body only. I don't own any E-mount APS-C lenses after reading negative comments in the other E-mount forum. How does your 16-70Z do in the corners?This is why I love the a6000 so much, if the A7R2 could be this fast...11fps with face detection dead on. Amazingly sharp with the 1670Z almost wide open ooc :
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vett93
Veteran Member
Interesting. DPReview seemed to give an impression that the difference would be more pronounced. It is good to see a different view point.Interesting, thanks for the comparison. I thought the noise difference between the two would be more pronounced.raw ISO6400 : imported into PS without NR but with auto white balance
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fboss
Forum Enthusiast
That was exactly my experience. Currently have the A6000 + 16-70. I bought a A7ii + 28-70. Did some tests and returned the A7ii. Waiting for something significantly better.
The A7ii was better in hands, I liked the grip, the EVF. I wasn't impressed with the high ISO (>= 3200 ) only ~ 1 stop better than the A6000. AF not as good as the A6000, more moire in the videos (compared to A6000), and no great lens in the 24-70mm range. So I decided it was not worth it.
The A7rii might be the One. Significantly more expensive but it's a real upgrade. I still don't know how to cover the 24-70 range as the FE lens has mixed reviews. I may end with the 55 f1.8 (that I bought last week) and the 16-35 FE (I did the stats for my last ~200 pictures , I shot quite a lot in the wide angle position at 16mm APS-C / 24mm FF ).
Hans vdC
Senior Member
pretty darn good, no complaints
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