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Some buy a mirrorles camera like Fuji X-T1 as their first system camera. Others move from a big dSLR and to Fuji X to get something smaller and lighter without feeling they lose that much in picture quality - if anything at all.

I've been thinking about moving the other way, from my Fuji X-T1 and to a 36 mega pixel full frame Nikon D810. Or maybe not moving, but adding it to my inventory for my landscape shots. If you ever have considered that and are curious how that might be, you can read my blogpost here:

http://www.larsauthen.com/blog/2015/8/13/from-fuji-x-t1-16mpx-aps-c-to-nikon-d810-36mpx-full-frame
 
Lakeview Man said:
Some buy a mirrorles camera like Fuji X-T1 as their first system camera. Others move from a big dSLR and to Fuji X to get something smaller and lighter without feeling they lose that much in picture quality - if anything at all.

I've been thinking about moving the other way, from my Fuji X-T1 and to a 36 mega pixel full frame Nikon D810. Or maybe not moving, but adding it to my inventory for my landscape shots. If you ever have considered that and are curious how that might be, you can read my blogpost here:

http://www.larsauthen.com/blog/2015/8/13/from-fuji-x-t1-16mpx-aps-c-to-nikon-d810-36mpx-full-frame

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First thing I'd have to do is buy a new computer.

Couple that with buying the camera and a couple of good lenses and I'd have to max out about three credit cards.

All that just so I could take snapshots that wouldn't impress anyone.

Nope, I'd rather spend my money on wine, women and song.
 
I think most of us either have adual system or moved the other way. from FF to MLCs.
 
Hi,

I'm very pleased with my XT1, and the only reason that I ever consider moving to FF is to get higher resolution. There's a quantum leap between 16mpx and 36/42/50 mpx.

I'm into landscape and nature, and used to sell large landscape prints. So for me, resolution is the driver, not DOF, fast action AF or cropability. I really don't care about the shallow DOF line of reasoning for choosing FF. A system with high grade small lenses would be fine for me. I would ultimately prefer to go mirror-less FF as against a DSLR. The reason for that is size and weight. Since I travel, hike and kayak to get my landscapes, a 980gm DSLR like the D810 with 900gm Art lenses really doesn't appeal. If I was going back into selling (I'm retired) mirror-less FF is where I'd look first.

Having said all that, the latest Sony A7rII weighs 625gms - a full third more than the first model. No doubt that's the addition of IBIS and a slightly bulkier body and grip. That's not so much less than the 750gm of the D750. So maybe the lighter end of the DSLR spectrum might be a bit more acceptable. Another player to watch is Pentax who have announced that they will be releasing an FF DSLR later this year. They've a long history of small, well made, well spec'd, and sealed DSLRs and they might just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

I really doubt I'd sell my XT1. It's simply too good as a small ILC system. I'd keep both and use the FF only for high res shooting. The last thing in the world I'd want to lug about on family holidays is a two kilo camera & zoom lens taking 36mpx snaps for memories. Horses for courses.

Cheers, Rod
 
I don't want the task of calibrating lenses to body. So now I wait for a higher resolution Fuji X body. 2016?
 
Lakeview Man said:
Some buy a mirrorles camera like Fuji X-T1 as their first system camera. Others move from a big dSLR and to Fuji X to get something smaller and lighter without feeling they lose that much in picture quality - if anything at all.

I've been thinking about moving the other way, from my Fuji X-T1 and to a 36 mega pixel full frame Nikon D810. Or maybe not moving, but adding it to my inventory for my landscape shots. If you ever have considered that and are curious how that might be, you can read my blogpost here:

http://www.larsauthen.com/blog/2015/8/13/from-fuji-x-t1-16mpx-aps-c-to-nikon-d810-36mpx-full-frame
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Rod McD said:
Hi,

I'm very pleased with my XT1, and the only reason that I ever consider moving to FF is to get higher resolution. There's a quantum leap between 16mpx and 36/42/50 mpx.

I'm into landscape and nature, and used to sell large landscape prints. So for me, resolution is the driver, not DOF, fast action AF or cropability. I really don't care about the shallow DOF line of reasoning for choosing FF. A system with high grade small lenses would be fine for me. I would ultimately prefer to go mirror-less FF as against a DSLR. The reason for that is size and weight. Since I travel, hike and kayak to get my landscapes, a 980gm DSLR like the D810 with 900gm Art lenses really doesn't appeal. If I was going back into selling (I'm retired) mirror-less FF is where I'd look first.

Having said all that, the latest Sony A7rII weighs 625gms - a full third more than the first model. No doubt that's the addition of IBIS and a slightly bulkier body and grip. That's not so much less than the 750gm of the D750. So maybe the lighter end of the DSLR spectrum might be a bit more acceptable. Another player to watch is Pentax who have announced that they will be releasing an FF DSLR later this year. They've a long history of small, well made, well spec'd, and sealed DSLRs and they might just pull a rabbit out of a hat.

I really doubt I'd sell my XT1. It's simply too good as a small ILC system. I'd keep both and use the FF only for high res shooting. The last thing in the world I'd want to lug about on family holidays is a two kilo camera & zoom lens taking 36mpx snaps for memories. Horses for courses.

Cheers, Rod
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I shoot my X-E2 landscapes either handheld or with a $300 pano head on a tripod and stitch images up to about 80mp. Modern software takes care of everything. The rest of time 16mp is perfect.

Sal
 
uniball said:
Ed B said:
First thing I'd have to do is buy a new computer.
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Why? XTrans raws are about the same size. It takes longer to render XTrans than my D800 files. If anything, I'd want more computer for Fuji. Which is what I ended up doing.
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Not being a computer expert, maybe I'm missing something here.

Are you saying a 36mp file size is going to be about the same as the Fuji 16mp size?

Also, why would a 16mp sensor with an X-Trans filter array be any larger than a 16mp senor with a Bayer filter?

Like I said, I'm not a computer guru so I'm serious when I ask these (probably stupid) questions.
 
Hi Sal,

Yes you're right stitching is an option though not if there is substantial movement in a shot. (I'm also tempted by stacking for macro and deeper DOF shots). OTOH, I'm also trying to spend less time in front of a computer....... You can't win ;-). I agree that 16mpx is enough for everything else.

Cheers, Rod
 
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uniball said:
uniball said:
It takes longer to render XTrans than my D800 files. If anything, I'd want more computer for Fuji. Which is what I ended up doing.
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Strange...it's the opposite on mine. Probably the combo of computer and software that determines this speed.

36MP Nikon raws take roughly five times as long to render when zooming to 1:1 for the first time.
 
Keep the Fuji and add a Sigma DP2M and small tripod to your bag. It`s the best compact landscape tool for the money.
 
I moved from full frame to the Fuji X-pro1 three years ago, and really can't see myself moving back to DSLR. Initially I used the X-Pro1 as my main camera, and the Canon 5D as a back up, with either a 85mm or 200L, but finally swapped the 5D for an X-t1 last year. The only thing I missed afterwards was the 200L and the battery capacity of the Canon Camera. After getting the 50-140 I only miss the battery capacity :)

If I was mainly shooting landscapes I might consider it, but then I probably wouldn't have moved to Fuji in the first place. I feel that I have more photos I am statisfied after the change. Not saying they are shots I wouldn't have been able to get with the Canon - there is just more chance I would have brought the camera. Even with the "massive" 50-140 this two cam setup feels less cumbersome than the one Canon camera and it's lenses.

I am not even sure I'd go for a full frame x-trans camera. An improved APS-C or similar - certainly!
 
No. Too busy working on photo projects.
 
Ed B said:
uniball said:
Ed B said:
First thing I'd have to do is buy a new computer.
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Why? XTrans raws are about the same size. It takes longer to render XTrans than my D800 files. If anything, I'd want more computer for Fuji. Which is what I ended up doing.
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Not being a computer expert, maybe I'm missing something here.

Are you saying a 36mp file size is going to be about the same as the Fuji 16mp size?

Also, why would a 16mp sensor with an X-Trans filter array be any larger than a 16mp senor with a Bayer filter?

Like I said, I'm not a computer guru so I'm serious when I ask these (probably stupid) questions.
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It's about 35mb for the Fuji versus 40mb for the D800. Initial render time for XTrans average 10 seconds each with Lightroom 6.1 on a 3.0 i7 rMBP. D800’s average half that time. Both building 2880 previews. C1 and Aperture are much faster on XTrans (like 3 seconds each in C1). I use Lighroom for DAM and split editing between Lightroom and C1. As I begin in Lightroom I moved from a 2.8 iMac to the rMBP to speed things up.

There's a comment below on time to render 1:1's. I haven't noticed any difference. I believe I would have as a few weeks ago I helped out a friend and processed 100's of D800 files. I would have noticed if there was a significant difference.
 
I went from Nikon FF to Fuji X because I couldn't be bothered with the weight and bulk any more. I like the X-T1 and the Fuji lenses (and one Zeiss I own) so much that the advantages of FF no longer outweigh the disadvantages (for me anyway). I still own my D700 and have tried a D800E and an XF. The XF was kind of tempting, but the big lenses were still off-putting. I don't need 36m pixels. I preferred the output of the XF over the D800 and that has fewer pixels (24m I think).

I can carry an X-T1 and a few lenses in a relatively small bag with a set of lee filters and spare batteries and it leaves little to be desired. I can also use a smaller and lighter tripod when one is required. It's all good!
 
I have both the 16mp X-Pro1 and 24mp FF Nikon D610. They both do equally well for my stock photography. The only battle is in my mind, where I keep looking for one or the other system to clearly stand out from the other. That hasn't happened.
 
Rod McD said:
Hi Sal,

Yes you're right stitching is an option though not if there is substantial movement in a shot. (I'm also tempted by stacking for macro and deeper DOF shots). OTOH, I'm also trying to spend less time in front of a computer....... You can't win ;-). I agree that 16mpx is enough for everything else.

Cheers, Rod
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A pano head comes in handy if one is serious about high mp landscapes. It takes no time to shoot off 6 frames all with proper overlap. Even a bit of cloud movement is blended away.



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Stitching is probably one of the fastest PP operations I perform. Drag the JPEG or RAW file into the stitching program, press align images/create panorama, and the program does everything, even opens up the finished image automatically in PS or LR.

After some time with a pano head it becomes easy to shoot landscapes handheld. There's just more overlap waste in the final image due to imprecise panning etc.

Funny thing I've found is, it's best to only go as large in MP as you really need for final output. Downsizing high MP images doesn't look necessarily better than a native mp file of the same size as downsizing averages away quite a bit of detail. That's why I wonder if shooting with 36mp and higher mp DSLRs isn't counterproductive if images are mostly downsized for web.

Cheers.

Sal
 
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