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Canon 5D Mark III vs Sony A7RII vs A7 Low Light/ISO/Noise
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BlueCosmo5050
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I agree. But keep in mind also, when photos are scaled down in size, you cannot judge the ISO. Kinda like with video. One of the reasons I have a 4k video camera is because at 1080p it has less noise, where there may be a lot more noise in 4k. Also down converting it gives it 3 times the amount of pixels so it's sharper. Off topic.... but
In video or in photos, one would need to see full res photos side by side. For video, one would need to see video side by side, even if the 4k was downscaled to 1080p.
I just have a feeling the A7Rii will be amazing but after 3200 I don't think it's gonna be as great as people think. There is a reason the A7S is 12 MP.
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Scaled down A7RII should do better than 5DIII when fine detail is involved. In any case though after ISO 1600 they all look like crap if you pixel peep.
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Scaled down the current A7R doesn't come anywhere near the 5D in ISO performance. You don't have to pixel peep. It's really made for landscapes. The new one will be better but I still doubt it's going to compare.
The A7Sii will be amazing though. It will have internal 4k, IBIS, and the ISO will go way higher than the 5D.
The A7 mark ii isn't the best in low light either. Sony A7 series so far doesn't have anything like the 5D. Great at high ISO video and photos. They either have great ISO for videos or great high resolution photos without the High iso videos.
It would be nice if they would do that with the regular A7. Then the A7R for landscapes, or high resolution portraits, then the A7S for video.
Still, I don't ever need higher ISO than the 5D will do on video. So if camera would just put 4k in a 5D I'd be happy. I'd go with that over the A7S even because I know the build quality is better, it's faster to use, it can take a beating, etc. The sony cameras don't have the top LCD, it's more cumbersome to use.
I also hate EVF's. My eyes know that I'm looking at a small LCD screen. So on the A7R I mostly just use the back screen. The optical view finder feels natural and it seems like my eyes focus on things faster because it looks natural. The EVF's just look like a small screen.
I still like the mirror for photography. By the time I can afford another camera I'm sure Canon will have 4k anyway.
The A7Sii will be amazing though. It will have internal 4k, IBIS, and the ISO will go way higher than the 5D.
The A7 mark ii isn't the best in low light either. Sony A7 series so far doesn't have anything like the 5D. Great at high ISO video and photos. They either have great ISO for videos or great high resolution photos without the High iso videos.
It would be nice if they would do that with the regular A7. Then the A7R for landscapes, or high resolution portraits, then the A7S for video.
Still, I don't ever need higher ISO than the 5D will do on video. So if camera would just put 4k in a 5D I'd be happy. I'd go with that over the A7S even because I know the build quality is better, it's faster to use, it can take a beating, etc. The sony cameras don't have the top LCD, it's more cumbersome to use.
I also hate EVF's. My eyes know that I'm looking at a small LCD screen. So on the A7R I mostly just use the back screen. The optical view finder feels natural and it seems like my eyes focus on things faster because it looks natural. The EVF's just look like a small screen.
I still like the mirror for photography. By the time I can afford another camera I'm sure Canon will have 4k anyway.
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Mhh Interesting. My experience is the exact opposite. I switched from Canon to Sony years ago because I missed the liveliness in the .cr2 files and the greens drove me crazy because they have a greyish touch to them that is difficult to remove.
How did you conclude that the Sony files lack in colours? Do you work with their cameras? Which converter are you using?
I've done the opposite. I've had a 6D for a couple of years now, and ran out and bought a A7R recently. I bought the A7R as a replacement for my Fuji X gear, not my Canon gear.
I've had no issues getting accustom to the controls or size of the A7R. There's a lot of customization options.
My biggest criticism of the A7R so far is its useless continuous AF system. I don't know if I'm missing a setting somewhere or what? The accuracy and speed of its one-shot single point AF seems quite good. I like the eye-af detect function. I've already used this feature for head shots. It just plain works. I find the one-shot autofocus more accurate than what my Fuji X-E2 musters. I wish the Sony was better at tracking.
The real star of the A7R is the 36MP sensor. The images are rich and detailed in a way the 6D can't match. The dynamic range is also nothing like I've seen from a Canon between ISO80 and ISO400.
I've had no issues getting accustom to the controls or size of the A7R. There's a lot of customization options.
My biggest criticism of the A7R so far is its useless continuous AF system. I don't know if I'm missing a setting somewhere or what? The accuracy and speed of its one-shot single point AF seems quite good. I like the eye-af detect function. I've already used this feature for head shots. It just plain works. I find the one-shot autofocus more accurate than what my Fuji X-E2 musters. I wish the Sony was better at tracking.
The real star of the A7R is the 36MP sensor. The images are rich and detailed in a way the 6D can't match. The dynamic range is also nothing like I've seen from a Canon between ISO80 and ISO400.
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If you open the Flickr URL at the top you see that the photo is from Jon Roberts Photography. That is why the OP hasn't answered any requests for more info about the test. Why didn't the OP say he didn't take the photos and do the test? That seems to be his style.Check it out and come to your own conclusions.
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I would day if you are an enthusiast to get the A7RII because it hs all the enthusiast dreams of especially its compact size which makes it more travel friendly. However, if you are a pro like Hotdog or plan on going pro than first carefully go through all the reviews. Go to the camera store and handle it. If you like what you see rent it.
Using a camera as an enthusiast is different versus as a professional. You have to feel confident you wont miss any shots with it. Lets say Hotdog goes out and grabs himself a Sony. If he is not ok with it than he might miss a shot which means dollars.
The Sony does make for the better travel runaround camera. I think I can safely say the 5D series does not make a good travel or runaround camera. Anything smaller is more welcome when on the go. The in camera stabilization does go better with traveling and enthusiast type photography.
Another difference is the controls. The 5D series simply is geared for events. The joystick system I absolutely got to have. The 6D, mentioned in another reply, lacks the joystick. I could not work with the 6D. The controls are just slower. As for the Sony, Im not quite sure what Hotdog would think of its controls. It seems a bit more involved IMHO and thats why I say to go to the store to check it out, rent it. The enthusiast can drag through the controls, but Hotdog needs to move quickly.
Using a camera as an enthusiast is different versus as a professional. You have to feel confident you wont miss any shots with it. Lets say Hotdog goes out and grabs himself a Sony. If he is not ok with it than he might miss a shot which means dollars.
The Sony does make for the better travel runaround camera. I think I can safely say the 5D series does not make a good travel or runaround camera. Anything smaller is more welcome when on the go. The in camera stabilization does go better with traveling and enthusiast type photography.
Another difference is the controls. The 5D series simply is geared for events. The joystick system I absolutely got to have. The 6D, mentioned in another reply, lacks the joystick. I could not work with the 6D. The controls are just slower. As for the Sony, Im not quite sure what Hotdog would think of its controls. It seems a bit more involved IMHO and thats why I say to go to the store to check it out, rent it. The enthusiast can drag through the controls, but Hotdog needs to move quickly.
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What a reasonable and balanced evaluation. What the heck are you doing in these forums?
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I never said I ran the test and I did properly attribute by placing the Flickr link. As more reviews come in, I will be posting the links here. Of course, if I post a link to the review I can tell you Im probably not the author and I can assure you there is no conspiracy. I am just assuming everyone is going to click on the link and conclude that the persons or company's name at the end of the link is the author. I dont think I need to say that I am not Jon Roberts photography or my name isnt Jon Roberts. Quite obviously, Im not.
Many times I will post something in this forum and Im assuming everyone has the common sense to figure things out. Im not going to spoon feed every little thing as I believe people here are a bit smarter.
Many times I will post something in this forum and Im assuming everyone has the common sense to figure things out. Im not going to spoon feed every little thing as I believe people here are a bit smarter.
If you open the Flickr URL at the top you see that the photo is from Jon Roberts Photography. That is why the OP hasn't answered any requests for more info about the test. Why didn't the OP say he didn't take the photos and do the test? That seems to be his style.Check it out and come to your own conclusions.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/28286266@N02/sets/72157651767602507/
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Very nice shot but so far as the greens are concerned we'll have a hell of a problem discussing this over the largely not colour managed internet. I used Lightroom CC to develop the A7R2 raws and I just find the greens totally undifferentiated. Just darker or brighter and sometimes "neony" versions of the same tint. I see the same problem in your capture although of course I have no idea what it really looks like without getting my hands on the raw. 5Ds greens in the raw just look much more "natural" to me.
There's an additional problem of course: Lightroom looks very different to the canon converter ... .
It goes on and on.
There's an additional problem of course: Lightroom looks very different to the canon converter ... .
It goes on and on.
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Thanks very much for the raws, which I have just downloaded. I'll have a good look then write back.
Thanks again
Thanks again
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I was able to get reliable A7Rii files and put them in lightroom. The noise performance is way better than the last one but it doesn't look as good as the 6D to me. I mean of course the crop mode in super 35mm video does. But the full frame photo doesn't.
I agree that this is a niche camera. It's not the do it all camera everyone thought it would be. We find out, that even with Sony lenses, it can't focus very well at night, there goes weddings, pictures of my cats in a candle lit room, etc. lol
Plus Tony Northup put up a video saying that he could not record that long at 4k. Now, for a personal camera, I would only take very short 4k clips anyway and this would not be an issue, neither would the focus be either.
But I do like getting paid and I don't have the money to buy a niche camera that can do lots of things. The Canon can focus in extreme low light, and extremely fast. Even the outside focus points can. If i'm hired to do a video, which I get hired to do quite a bit of music videos these days, I could not have that thing over heating, plus I like to leave the camera on while I'm setting up the shot and do adjusting and test, the battery life is horrible. Canon 5D mark iii, I've done a whole concert and a very long seminary speech without any problems with over heating, and I also did the concert with one battery. The Seminary which was very long took about one and a half.
Then theres the weather sealing, etc.
No camera is perfect at everything. The A7Rii is the perfect camera to have as a personal camera to take short video clips, landscape images, fine art type things. With my personal photography the battery isn't a problem, I don't walk around snapping a photo of everything. I wait until I see something if I'm exploring a city or nature. The small size and retro look attracts me, that's why I bought the first A7R and it was amazing at landscapes.
But being that I can't afford to have a personal camera with it's own set of lenses and a pro camera with it's own set of lenses right now, I just have to stay with Canon.
I have a feeling it's going to pay off too. Canon has lost 16% of their sales. They read the internet, they know why they are losing so much business. This is a big company, it doesn't want to go under. It made the Cinema line but then realized the sales were horrible. That's because a lot of people can afford a 5D but not many can afford one of the cinema cameras.
I really do think when the 5D is released next year, at least one of them will have 4k. I do believe they will split it, like Sony did and like they did with the 5DSR. I think they will have a 5dC that cost more but has the 4k video features with C-Log and less MP, but it will still be an awesome still camera.
Then I think there will be a regular 5D that will have nearly 30 MP, even higher ISO performance, a faster FPS, an even better auto focus system.
The thing is, the 5D has to be an upgrade. The 5D Mark iii auto focus is already good enough for almost everyone. So if all they change is the auto focus and give it slightly better ISO they are not going to sell any of them. People will keep the Mark iii's. And they know this.
I also believe the dynamic range has been talked about so much that the new 5D's will compete with Nikon in dynamic range.
But even with the current dynamic range, the Canon feels better than the Nikon, I'm faster on it. And the images have this filmic look. The grain looks like the type of grain you see on film and the way the colors are just have this film look and the A7R and Nikon doesn't have that look. I don't know if I'm the only one that notices that. But it looks closer to film than any other digital camera I've seen.
Even if you want the A7Rii really bad, just imagine if you wait one or two more years. The auto focus will be on par with DSLR's and probably even better. There will be 4k at 60FPS and maybe even 120. The ISO performance will be insane. They will have changed the battery by then. As awesome as it is, I still feel like, for using it as a pro camera for doing jobs, unless you only do landscapes and portraits that are not candid and set up it just isn't time to switch. I could not trust the A7Rii at a wedding or at a concert.
I agree that this is a niche camera. It's not the do it all camera everyone thought it would be. We find out, that even with Sony lenses, it can't focus very well at night, there goes weddings, pictures of my cats in a candle lit room, etc. lol
Plus Tony Northup put up a video saying that he could not record that long at 4k. Now, for a personal camera, I would only take very short 4k clips anyway and this would not be an issue, neither would the focus be either.
But I do like getting paid and I don't have the money to buy a niche camera that can do lots of things. The Canon can focus in extreme low light, and extremely fast. Even the outside focus points can. If i'm hired to do a video, which I get hired to do quite a bit of music videos these days, I could not have that thing over heating, plus I like to leave the camera on while I'm setting up the shot and do adjusting and test, the battery life is horrible. Canon 5D mark iii, I've done a whole concert and a very long seminary speech without any problems with over heating, and I also did the concert with one battery. The Seminary which was very long took about one and a half.
Then theres the weather sealing, etc.
No camera is perfect at everything. The A7Rii is the perfect camera to have as a personal camera to take short video clips, landscape images, fine art type things. With my personal photography the battery isn't a problem, I don't walk around snapping a photo of everything. I wait until I see something if I'm exploring a city or nature. The small size and retro look attracts me, that's why I bought the first A7R and it was amazing at landscapes.
But being that I can't afford to have a personal camera with it's own set of lenses and a pro camera with it's own set of lenses right now, I just have to stay with Canon.
I have a feeling it's going to pay off too. Canon has lost 16% of their sales. They read the internet, they know why they are losing so much business. This is a big company, it doesn't want to go under. It made the Cinema line but then realized the sales were horrible. That's because a lot of people can afford a 5D but not many can afford one of the cinema cameras.
I really do think when the 5D is released next year, at least one of them will have 4k. I do believe they will split it, like Sony did and like they did with the 5DSR. I think they will have a 5dC that cost more but has the 4k video features with C-Log and less MP, but it will still be an awesome still camera.
Then I think there will be a regular 5D that will have nearly 30 MP, even higher ISO performance, a faster FPS, an even better auto focus system.
The thing is, the 5D has to be an upgrade. The 5D Mark iii auto focus is already good enough for almost everyone. So if all they change is the auto focus and give it slightly better ISO they are not going to sell any of them. People will keep the Mark iii's. And they know this.
I also believe the dynamic range has been talked about so much that the new 5D's will compete with Nikon in dynamic range.
But even with the current dynamic range, the Canon feels better than the Nikon, I'm faster on it. And the images have this filmic look. The grain looks like the type of grain you see on film and the way the colors are just have this film look and the A7R and Nikon doesn't have that look. I don't know if I'm the only one that notices that. But it looks closer to film than any other digital camera I've seen.
Even if you want the A7Rii really bad, just imagine if you wait one or two more years. The auto focus will be on par with DSLR's and probably even better. There will be 4k at 60FPS and maybe even 120. The ISO performance will be insane. They will have changed the battery by then. As awesome as it is, I still feel like, for using it as a pro camera for doing jobs, unless you only do landscapes and portraits that are not candid and set up it just isn't time to switch. I could not trust the A7Rii at a wedding or at a concert.
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the a7r2 is 2/3 the weight of a 5d.
No, their profits dropped by 16%. Very different.
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