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In the light of A7RII and RX10II, what A6000 upgrade?

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litetaker said:
No one got carried away. I am just addressing the no more APS-C mirrorless camera comments. I too believe an upgrade is likely, and I disagree with your stance on how that upgrade will be. That's about it. I'll sit tight, and not move a muscle till we hear more from Sony themselves on the next APS-C camera.

Be right back.
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litetaker said:
Yeah, speculation is rampant. Since I got my first proper camera last year, which is the NEX 5T, this was my first exposure to the rumor mill. Naturally I was excited to hear the rumors of the A6000 successor but got soon tired of the lack of proper news and repeated misinformation. Now I am more wise to realize no one's in the know till the very last minute... Sony is very tight lipped, so your guess is as good add mine, which is to say that we know jack squat.

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We know jack squat.

The NEX-5T/5R is an under-appreciated camera. The 5R was pretty much buried by all the publicity and excitement still surrounding the older NEX-7, and the concurrent NEX-6. Nobody paid all that much attention to it except for those of us who owned one, of course.

A flippy touchscreen AND an available EVF. No Sony MILC has offered that combination, since.
 
blue_skies said:
maple said:
Long time lurking but never started a thread here. I’ve been waiting for someone to start this but …

With the knowledge of the mind blowing FF A7RII and the new RX, what’s your expectation for the supposedly forthcoming A6000 upgrade? I mean all most desirable and useful new technologies are there at Sony’s disposal: BSI, 5 axle IBIS, faster hybrid AF, full sensor 4K, better EVF, super fast double layer sensor. How about everything A7RII + RX10II combined, except sensor size and MP count?

The problem is that the A6000 replacement could get too expensive to include all those great new features. On the other hand, your taste now gets lifted so high that you wouldn’t settle for anything less.

I’m as curious as excited. I can afford an A7RII, but wouldn’t if A7000 has all the latest and delivers 80% IQ of the big brother at half the price. I have Samsung’s NX50 in mind, but I change mind all the time.
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Here's my take, FWIW

As someone else already mentioned, the rumoured overheating issue with A6000 successor could give us some clues on what to come:
  • Both IBIS and stacked sensor, since either alone, as is with A7RII and RX10II, has no such issue
  • BSI sensor, since it’s the only way to make stacked sensor (right?)
  • Full sensor reading 4K and high speed video capturing. Isn’t that why the stacked sensor?
What else do I want? Yes, that new hi Res EVF, of course, and 30Mp, please.

Great IQ, great usability and great mobility. All makes good sense marketing wise.
 
maple said:
Here's my take, FWIW

As someone else already mentioned, the rumoured overheating issue with A6000 successor could give us some clues on what to come:
  • Both IBIS and stacked sensor, since either alone, as is with A7RII and RX10II, has no such issue
  • BSI sensor, since it’s the only way to make stacked sensor (right?)
  • Full sensor reading 4K and high speed video capturing. Isn’t that why the stacked sensor?
What else do I want? Yes, that new hi Res EVF, of course, and 30Mp, please.

Great IQ, great usability and great mobility. All makes good sense marketing wise.
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And if there is don't expect much. I'm hoping they make a more compact a7, same size as a6000. Then you get the compact size with bigger sensor and much better glass options.
 
blue_skies said:
It would force an upgade of the A7ii at the same time, and I am sure that this is not yet ready.
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I don't think so.

It's very clear that a good number of buyers base their decision on a "bigger/more expensive must be better" process and don't delve much deeper than that. Even if when the APS-C IBIS, BSI, 4K, copper wired model comes out, those buyers will still perceive a superiority in the A7II. Besides, with the A7RII coming to market in a few weeks and the A7SII announcement in the waiting, the A7III will be here before you know it.

Also, Sony is pushing a marketing angle that highlights the advantages of the A6000 for sports. This will be easily adaptable to the successor. Add to that the absence of a just below $1,000 ILCE camera and you have all the ingredients for a release in the near future.

With respect to updates in sensors, the heavy lifting has already been done in terms of basic design innovations and manufacturing upgrades, and is now in production.

Sony is following a very interesting strategy and it's proving to be effective. Introduce a model and realize 50% of sales at an introductory price, allow subsequent models to coexist while slowly tapering off price of previous generations to clear out inventory. I, II, III, IV...

Expect the announcement of the A7SII and A6000II in October or November as Sony capitalizes on the splash of the newly announced cameras to keep momentum going.
 
McQuestion said:
blue_skies said:
It would force an upgade of the A7ii at the same time, and I am sure that this is not yet ready.
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I don't think so.

It's very clear that a good number of buyers base their decision on a "bigger/more expensive must be better" process and don't delve much deeper than that. Even if when the APS-C IBIS, BSI, 4K, copper wired model comes out, those buyers will still perceive a superiority in the A7II. Besides, with the A7RII coming to market in a few weeks and the A7SII announcement in the waiting, the A7III will be here before you know it.

Also, Sony is pushing a marketing angle that highlights the advantages of the A6000 for sports. This will be easily adaptable to the successor. Add to that the absence of a just below $1,000 ILCE camera and you have all the ingredients for a release in the near future.

With respect to updates in sensors, the heavy lifting has already been done in terms of basic design innovations and manufacturing upgrades, and is now in production.

Sony is following a very interesting strategy and it's proving to be effective. Introduce a model and realize 50% of sales at an introductory price, allow subsequent models to coexist while slowly tapering off price of previous generations to clear out inventory. I, II, III, IV...

Expect the announcement of the A7SII and A6000II in October or November as Sony capitalizes on the splash of the newly announced cameras to keep momentum going.
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Sheer unfounded speculation.
 
litetaker said:
captura said:
maple said:
Here's my take, FWIW

As someone else already mentioned, the rumoured overheating issue with A6000 successor could give us some clues on what to come:
  • Both IBIS and stacked sensor, since either alone, as is with A7RII and RX10II, has no such issue
  • BSI sensor, since it’s the only way to make stacked sensor (right?)
  • Full sensor reading 4K and high speed video capturing. Isn’t that why the stacked sensor?
What else do I want? Yes, that new hi Res EVF, of course, and 30Mp, please.

Great IQ, great usability and great mobility. All makes good sense marketing wise.

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Maple
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There was no such rumor. Just SAR making up something one time, and giving it their lowest rating of certitude, attributed to an unknown source. (What else is new.)
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Captura (or Steve, I suppose), let us be consistent here. By the very definition, SAR reporting various sources and saying that IS the very dictionary definition of rumor.
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They claim that a source told them something. Probably all made up. Publishing these false claims generates interest and more hits + advertising dollars. It's a fraud, I suppose.
litetaker said:
You clearly have some skewed stance on these Sony rumors, almost as if out of some principle. In the past months, I have noticed that you are the only one (or one of a very small group) of people who constantly derails any well intended discussions on rumors. It is your stance, and your opinion and you are PERFECTLY entitled to it.
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They are not Sony rumors, but SAR rumors. If you can find reality based leaks about Sony, then post them. The SAR thing hit rock bottom before you even became a member. Old news.
litetaker said:
HOWEVER! Be considerate! I literally cannot emphasize that any more. I made it bold, italic and underlined. I have seen in the past threads and posts by you and others about some or the other rumor. So, please! Let people have their discussions in piece. If it bothers you so much, recuse yourself from such threads. There is this fancy feature called "stop notifications" And the pesky thread goes away!
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You're just not getting it. There is a News and Rumors forum, you should know.
litetaker said:
Seeing your negative comments on these threads is getting tiresome, I am sure it is tiresome for you to repeat as well.
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What we don't want on this forum is provocative threads about nonsense which just gives rise to false hopes and dissension.
litetaker said:
Thanks!

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maple said:
Long time lurking but never started a thread here. I’ve been waiting for someone to start this but …

With the knowledge of the mind blowing FF A7RII and the new RX, what’s your expectation for the supposedly forthcoming A6000 upgrade? I mean all most desirable and useful new technologies are there at Sony’s disposal: BSI, 5 axle IBIS, faster hybrid AF, full sensor 4K, better EVF, super fast double layer sensor. How about everything A7RII + RX10II combined, except sensor size and MP count?

The problem is that the A6000 replacement could get too expensive to include all those great new features. On the other hand, your taste now gets lifted so high that you wouldn’t settle for anything less.
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Just put IBIS in would be a big boost, and give it the lossless raw option when available via FW. This just makes a great camera better IMO.
maple said:
I’m as curious as excited. I can afford an A7RII, but wouldn’t if A7000 has all the latest and delivers 80% IQ of the big brother at half the price. I have Samsung’s NX50 in mind, but I change mind all the time.

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Petroglyph said:
maple said:
Long time lurking but never started a thread here. I’ve been waiting for someone to start this but …

With the knowledge of the mind blowing FF A7RII and the new RX, what’s your expectation for the supposedly forthcoming A6000 upgrade? I mean all most desirable and useful new technologies are there at Sony’s disposal: BSI, 5 axle IBIS, faster hybrid AF, full sensor 4K, better EVF, super fast double layer sensor. How about everything A7RII + RX10II combined, except sensor size and MP count?

The problem is that the A6000 replacement could get too expensive to include all those great new features. On the other hand, your taste now gets lifted so high that you wouldn’t settle for anything less.
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Just put IBIS in would be a big boost, and give it the lossless raw option when available via FW. This just makes a great camera better IMO.
Petroglyph said:
I’m as curious as excited. I can afford an A7RII, but wouldn’t if A7000 has all the latest and delivers 80% IQ of the big brother at half the price. I have Samsung’s NX50 in mind, but I change mind all the time.
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What is an X50? Did you perhaps have the NX500 in mind? That camera, sadly, has no EVF.
 
4K is a done deal. Sony has clearly decided to go that way.

Stacked sensor? Who knows? It would be hard to execute for such a large sensor so I would bet against it. BSI? Who cares?

ibis seems a natural, unless Sony is saving it for an 'a7000' (higher-end APS-C body which may or may not be in Sony's plans)

Fast PDAF using the LA-EA1 and LA-EA3 seem natural, but I'm not sure why that wasn't already done on the a6000 which is already able to focus PDAF-only. That will be a big deal for me because it carries over to EF lenses using 3rd party adapters. That solves the Sony APS-C lens deficits all at once.
 
tomtom50 said:
4K is a done deal. Sony has clearly decided to go that way.

Stacked sensor? Who knows? It would be hard to execute for such a large sensor so I would bet against it. BSI? Who cares?

ibis seems a natural, unless Sony is saving it for an 'a7000' (higher-end APS-C body which may or may not be in Sony's plans)

Fast PDAF using the LA-EA1 and LA-EA3 seem natural, but I'm not sure why that wasn't already done on the a6000 which is already able to focus PDAF-only. That will be a big deal for me because it carries over to EF lenses using 3rd party adapters. That solves the Sony APS-C lens deficits all at once.
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That would be fine if Sony decides to turn the A6000II into a $1000 camera. But then they would lose their competitive edge, at that price.
 
ttran88 said:
captura said:
tomtom50 said:
4K is a done deal. Sony has clearly decided to go that way.

Stacked sensor? Who knows? It would be hard to execute for such a large sensor so I would bet against it. BSI? Who cares?

ibis seems a natural, unless Sony is saving it for an 'a7000' (higher-end APS-C body which may or may not be in Sony's plans)

Fast PDAF using the LA-EA1 and LA-EA3 seem natural, but I'm not sure why that wasn't already done on the a6000 which is already able to focus PDAF-only. That will be a big deal for me because it carries over to EF lenses using 3rd party adapters. That solves the Sony APS-C lens deficits all at once.
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That would be fine if Sony decides to turn the A6000II into a $1000 camera. But then they would lose their competitive edge, at that price.
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Sony could than sell the A6000 for $450. There's nothing in the market to compete with it at that price. Especially now with the recent update it's even harder to beat.

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More likely for them to just continue with the present discounted price of the A6000.

My point was that I just don't see a market for such an expensive A6000II camera. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
pimuk said:
This is my wish:

Five-axis stabilization.

Sensor with same pixel number (perhaps BSI type) that comes with AF features enabling an LE-EA1 adaptor to focus that fast with A-mount lenses, like an A7Rii with them via LA-EA3. That way birders can happily exploit tele zoom lenses, something the E-mount still lag behind.

In-body 4K recording is a standard, I believe but it doesn't matter much.
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Why not 3-axis stabilization?
 
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