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lhkjacky said:
I hope this sensor will be used in A99ii :-P

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Some surprise by Sony,

A7Rii's OSPDAF can use on a-mount lens with mirrorless adapter

Not sure about the performance yet :-)
lhkjacky said:
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the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter.
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A7RII is now the flag ship of Sony camera. ;-)
  • 42.4 MP Back-illuminated CMOS sensor,
  • In-camera 5-axis Image Stabilization (approximately 4.5 steps)
  • Internal 4K Video Recording,
  • Silent Shooting,
  • Fast Hybrid AF (399 OSPDAF point, world's widest AF coverage in FF)
  • Newly refined XGA OLED Tru-Finder with the world’s highest (0.78x) magnification
  • Newly highly durable reduced-vibration shutter that realizes 50% less vibration
  • cycle durability of approximately 500,000 shots :-O
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Just put an a99 clamshell on the A7rII, and send it my way.
 
K E Hoffman said:
Tonkotsu Ramen said:
Nice way of showing it!
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Yup..

IF the new sensor does what it says.. it means large body a-mounts that support ALL a-mount lenses.. might lose the SLT.

They will cost less to make.

And most of the Updated a-mount lenses while you can put it on this camera.. will feel much better on the A99II..

There are two reasons to announce this camera 2 months before they can sell it and out of a normal announce time.

1) They smell a 5dMark IV

2) They want to give this announcement its own space along with the P&Ss So that a camera with an overlapping market can be announced I the fall.
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My guess is that it'll stop some of the Canon 5DS/R sales - it's soon to be available, right? It's another reason for them to tout [focus acquisition with Canon lenses] at .1 second.

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Rich
 
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Ralf B said:
lhkjacky said:
I hope this sensor will be used in A99ii :-P

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Some surprise by Sony,

A7Rii's OSPDAF can use on a-mount lens with mirrorless adapter

Not sure about the performance yet :-)
Ralf B said:
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the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter.
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continued quote - you left out some bold statement:
Ralf B said:
Ralf B said:
.... This allows users to enjoy the wide AF coverage of 399 focal plane phase-detection AF points, high-speed response and high tracking performance with a wider range of lenses. This marks the first time that the AF system of a mirrorless camera can achieve high performance with lenses originally designed for DSLRs.
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By stating that the above is done with the LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapters (!not the LA-EA4 or LA-EA2 mount adapters!) Sony suggests quite a quantum leap. Because so far, AF of A Mount lenses on these adapters was either slooow (SSM or SAM) or not really working at all (screw drive).

I would certainly be interested in real life results, especially as they do not limit this bold stuff to SSM or SAM lenses, but simply say "Sony A-Mount lenses". Now if screw drive lenses behave like claimed - wow. A fully backwards-compliant approach, quite the feat if true.

Yes, indeed, put that tech into the mirrorless a99II, Sony! Or let us know that we have to buy the A7RII (or A7III or A7sII with similar on sensor PDAF tech) as no new A Mount bodies will be introduced....

Cheers,
Ralf
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That's a good point, this new AF is a game-changer for A-mount lenses on E-mount. Your statement about "fully backwards-compliant approach" sounds right, this seams to be a big step towards Sony's (recently stated) "one mount ecosystem".
 
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Sam_Oslo said:
... this new AF is a game-changer for A-mount lenses on E-mount.
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No... as I already explained, it's only a potential game changer for motorized A-mount lenses. Screw drive lenses are still exactly where they were before.
Sam_Oslo said:
Your statement about "fully backwards-compliant approach" sounds right...
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Not quite.
 
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lehill said:
Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.
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I had that kind of thought originally, but now I'm not so sure. By keeping A-mount alive,
  1. they don't have to recreate the bigger, faster lenses for FE/E (I'd guess a large portion of mirrorless owners wouldn't go out and buy big, fast FE lenses - they wouldn't balance well with the body style). Keep the A-mount alive and you don't have to replicate any lenses.
  2. I'm sure there's lots of tech in the A7rII that can be used in A-mount bodies, so at a minimum you'll get the same benefits. But you keep the bigger bodies that balance so much better with the big lenses; and as stated by Sony execs in the past, they can put more into a bigger body.
  3. it adds to sales: if you're an A-mount user and they dropped the body line, in general your next brand is up for grabs. But by keeping the A-mount in the line, you've got more customers who are likely to buy into the FE/E line because of the lens compatibility
  4. Sony can gain some integrity by continuing to work on the A-mount bodies (by supporting their promises to support them), and with the improvement of its mirrorless line it can open the door to more adoption of the A-mount bodies.
 
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EthanP99 said:
EthanP99 said:
lehill said:
Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

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Lance H
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"Additionally, the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter."

from the dpreview article
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Maybe they will also work well with canon lenses also?
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He said it can focus faster with some EF glass than that same glass mounted on a current (unnamed) Canon FF body.

Even if half true, that would be a quantum leap and game changer for the existing FF market.
 
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sybersitizen said:
Sam_Oslo said:
... this new AF is a game-changer for A-mount lenses on E-mount.
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No... as I already explained, it's only a potential game changer for motorized A-mount lenses. Screw drive lenses are still exactly where they were before.
sybersitizen said:
Your statement about "fully backwards-compliant approach" sounds right...
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Only time can tell how big of game-changer this will be. But for now, this trend is very promising for A-mount lenses on E-mount.

It won't be a big surprise to see a new adapter, an adapter that can take this new AF to the next level for A-mount lenses.
 
I am totally fine ditching the SLT and having an e mount A99 with the features listed on a7r mkII.
 
Yeah, you're right. There are quite a few big surprises announced today and I got caught up in the excitement.

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Lance H
 
Tonkotsu Ramen said:
"*8 A-mount lenses with SSM or SAM only. Choose phase-detection AF or contrast-detection AF in AF System menu."

Nice catch!
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The next question becomes whether it would support OSPDAF via EA1 or 3 adapter for third-party A-mount lenses with built-in motors - such as Sigma or Tamron?
 
sybersitizen said:
Sam_Oslo said:
... this new AF is a game-changer for A-mount lenses on E-mount.
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No... as I already explained, it's only a potential game changer for motorized A-mount lenses. Screw drive lenses are still exactly where they were before.
sybersitizen said:
Your statement about "fully backwards-compliant approach" sounds right...
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Not quite.
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May be you can use the LAEA4 adapter, remove the SLT mirror,

and use it for screw drive lens :-P
 
lhkjacky said:
sybersitizen said:
Sam_Oslo said:
... this new AF is a game-changer for A-mount lenses on E-mount.
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No... as I already explained, it's only a potential game changer for motorized A-mount lenses. Screw drive lenses are still exactly where they were before.
lhkjacky said:
Your statement about "fully backwards-compliant approach" sounds right...
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Not quite.
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May be you can use the LAEA4 adapter, remove the SLT mirror, and use it for screw drive lens :-P
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Your smiley face there suggests that you really don't think that would work - and neither do I. But people will definitely try it, and then we'll know.
 
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