Sony new 42MP BSI Full Frame sensor ~!!

[lhkjacky]

I hope this sensor will be used in A99ii

..

Some surprise by Sony,

A7Rii's OSPDAF can use on a-mount lens with mirrorless adapter

Not sure about the performance yet

Quote:

the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter.

..

A7RII is now the flag ship of Sony camera. ;-)

• 42.4 MP Back-illuminated CMOS sensor,
• In-camera 5-axis Image Stabilization (approximately 4.5 steps)
• Internal 4K Video Recording,
• Silent Shooting,
• Fast Hybrid AF (399 OSPDAF point, world's widest AF coverage in FF)
• Newly refined XGA OLED Tru-Finder with the world’s highest (0.78x) magnification
• Newly highly durable reduced-vibration shutter that realizes 50% less vibration
• cycle durability of approximately 500,000 shots :-O

 

[Tonkotsu Ramen]

Nice way of showing it!

 

[jackalopemaui]

I would hope "XGA" evf is a misprint.. only 1024x600

 

[Ralf B]

I hope this sensor will be used in A99ii

..

Some surprise by Sony,

A7Rii's OSPDAF can use on a-mount lens with mirrorless adapter

Not sure about the performance yet

Quote:

the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter.

continued quote - you left out some bold statement:

.... This allows users to enjoy the wide AF coverage of 399 focal plane phase-detection AF points, high-speed response and high tracking performance with a wider range of lenses. This marks the first time that the AF system of a mirrorless camera can achieve high performance with lenses originally designed for DSLRs.

By stating that the above is done with the LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapters (!not the LA-EA4 or LA-EA2 mount adapters!) Sony suggests quite a quantum leap. Because so far, AF of A Mount lenses on these adapters was either slooow (SSM or SAM) or not really working at all (screw drive).

I would certainly be interested in real life results, especially as they do not limit this bold stuff to SSM or SAM lenses, but simply say "Sony A-Mount lenses". Now if screw drive lenses behave like claimed - wow. A fully backwards-compliant approach, quite the feat if true.

Yes, indeed, put that tech into the mirrorless a99II, Sony! Or let us know that we have to buy the A7RII (or A7III or A7sII with similar on sensor PDAF tech) as no new A Mount bodies will be introduced....

Cheers,
Ralf

 

[lhkjacky]

I would hope "XGA" evf is a misprint.. only 1024x600

I think it is not

XGA = 1024 × 768 x 3 = 2,359,296 Dots

Quote:
The new full-frame α7RII has an upgraded XGA OLED Tru-Finder™ with a double-sided aspherical lens that delivers the world’s highest viewfinder magnification of 0.78x for crystal clear image preview and playback across the entire display area.
ZEISS® T* Coating is also utilized to reduce unwanted reflections that interfere with the shooting experience.

I think Sony want make A7RII to be the best selling camera,

Put all the new technology in it, include some funny gimmick ZEISS® T* Coating on EVF

T* logo on the Eyecap -_-"

 

[zubs]

Some of the xga viewfinders have 2359K dot high resolution.

 

[Jekabs]

This might be a final nail in A-mount coffin if this camera can do reasonable AF (speed and low light) with A-mount lenses without SLT adapter...

This might be my new landscape/travel/studio camera, with couple of new native FE lenses and adapted A-mount F2.8 zooms. Just wish it also had dual card slots

 

[K E Hoffman]

Nice way of showing it!

Yup..

IF the new sensor does what it says.. it means large body a-mounts that support ALL a-mount lenses.. might lose the SLT.

They will cost less to make.

And most of the Updated a-mount lenses while you can put it on this camera.. will feel much better on the A99II..

There are two reasons to announce this camera 2 months before they can sell it and out of a normal announce time.

1) They smell a 5dMark IV

2) They want to give this announcement its own space along with the P&Ss So that a camera with an overlapping market can be announced I the fall.

Drop this tech into an A99 Body and you can sell the crap out of it to all the people who have the lenses and even so some of the Sony converts who want to do more long lens work.

If you understand just how many legacy A-mount lenses including those that have NO ADAPTER that can use the new system well... The A99II is a no brainer. because its a body change with most of the R&D cost done.

But don't let he stop the pity party..

I will note that would make a full a-mount mirrorless A99 with a full tilt LCD.. performance size for large lens users cost at least as much as this camera. so that would be the downside..

 

[sybersitizen]

... they do not limit this bold stuff to SSM or SAM lenses, but simply say "Sony A-Mount lenses". Now if screw drive lenses behave like claimed - wow.

The published statement definitely limits the bold stuff to motorized lenses only. Screw-drive lenses can never autofocus with the LA-EA1 and LA-EA3 adapters mentioned in the press release. Those adapters don't have a drive motor.

 

[lehill]

Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

 

[Ralf B]

... they do not limit this bold stuff to SSM or SAM lenses, but simply say "Sony A-Mount lenses". Now if screw drive lenses behave like claimed - wow.

Screw-drive lenses can never autofocus with the LA-EA1 and LA-EA3 adapters mentioned in the press release. Those adapters don't have a drive motor.

Thanks for pointing that out!

So let's see which SAM and SSM driven lenses will work as Sony as announced. If it is only the recent SSM G/ZA II updated ones, not much of an extended range of lenses and not the life line I initially saw.
Cheers,
Ralf

 

[K E Hoffman]

I hope this sensor will be used in A99ii

..

Some surprise by Sony,

A7Rii's OSPDAF can use on a-mount lens with mirrorless adapter

Not sure about the performance yet

Quote:

the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter.

continued quote - you left out some bold statement:

.... This allows users to enjoy the wide AF coverage of 399 focal plane phase-detection AF points, high-speed response and high tracking performance with a wider range of lenses. This marks the first time that the AF system of a mirrorless camera can achieve high performance with lenses originally designed for DSLRs.

By stating that the above is done with the LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapters (!not the LA-EA4 or LA-EA2 mount adapters!) Sony suggests quite a quantum leap. Because so far, AF of A Mount lenses on these adapters was either slooow (SSM or SAM) or not really working at all (screw drive).

I would certainly be interested in real life results, especially as they do not limit this bold stuff to SSM or SAM lenses, but simply say "Sony A-Mount lenses". Now if screw drive lenses behave like claimed - wow. A fully backwards-compliant approach, quite the feat if true.

Yes, indeed, put that tech into the mirrorless a99II, Sony! Or let us know that we have to buy the A7RII (or A7III or A7sII with similar on sensor PDAF tech) as no new A Mount bodies will be introduced....

Cheers,
Ralf

LEA 1 and LEA 3 can't run screw drive at all. Someplace there will have to be an asterisk on that.

The fact that they didn't introduce an LEA5 with screwdrive adapter with no SLT says a lot.

It means the camera that can use ALL-amount lenses with this new sensor will have to be an A-mount camera.. SLT might be gone..if they can get the AF speed up where it needs to be.

Sony isn't going to dominate the DSLR market because of lenses.. but they may be using the mirrorless success to move people to all Sony systems who even started as adapter users from other systems just a year ago. As I have pointed out Apple has grown Mac share with little effort by moving mobile device users from their Windows systems to Mac Systems.

Tell me right now that those 50 million a-mount lenses don't represent a large selling opportunity to Sony by doing these specs in an a-mount body that can do ALL a-mount lenses.

 

[Tonkotsu Ramen]

Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

 

[Tonkotsu Ramen]

Nice way of showing it!

Yup..

IF the new sensor does what it says.. it means large body a-mounts that support ALL a-mount lenses.. might lose the SLT.

They will cost less to make.

And most of the Updated a-mount lenses while you can put it on this camera.. will feel much better on the A99II..

There are two reasons to announce this camera 2 months before they can sell it and out of a normal announce time.

1) They smell a 5dMark IV

2) They want to give this announcement its own space along with the P&Ss So that a camera with an overlapping market can be announced I the fall.

Drop this tech into an A99 Body and you can sell the crap out of it to all the people who have the lenses and even so some of the Sony converts who want to do more long lens work.

If you understand just how many legacy A-mount lenses including those that have NO ADAPTER that can use the new system well... The A99II is a no brainer. because its a body change with most of the R&D cost done.

But don't let he stop the pity party..

I will note that would make a full a-mount mirrorless A99 with a full tilt LCD.. performance size for large lens users cost at least as much as this camera. so that would be the downside..

 

[EthanP99]

Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

 

[K E Hoffman]

Nice way of showing it!

Yup..

IF the new sensor does what it says.. it means large body a-mounts that support ALL a-mount lenses.. might lose the SLT.

They will cost less to make.

And most of the Updated a-mount lenses while you can put it on this camera.. will feel much better on the A99II..

There are two reasons to announce this camera 2 months before they can sell it and out of a normal announce time.

1) They smell a 5dMark IV

2) They want to give this announcement its own space along with the P&Ss So that a camera with an overlapping market can be announced I the fall.

Drop this tech into an A99 Body and you can sell the crap out of it to all the people who have the lenses and even so some of the Sony converts who want to do more long lens work.

If you understand just how many legacy A-mount lenses including those that have NO ADAPTER that can use the new system well... The A99II is a no brainer. because its a body change with most of the R&D cost done.

But don't let he stop the pity party..

I will note that would make a full a-mount mirrorless A99 with a full tilt LCD.. performance size for large lens users cost at least as much as this camera. so that would be the downside..

 

[K E Hoffman]

Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

 

[K E Hoffman]

Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

 

[Tonkotsu Ramen]

Wow, it's a bold claim about A-mount focus compatibility. I'm guessing this is a glimmer of how Sony may merge the A and E mounts. Maybe this generation will just work OK with A-mounts and the next will be pretty good.

And to get SLT users to switch over just pack the new cameras with so many goodies you just have to get one.

--
Lance H

"Additionally, the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter."

from the dpreview article

Keep quoting that with out ever understanding the limits of the adapter.. NO Scew drive support

That does mean we could see a Mirrorless or mirror lift A99II depending who good the AF really is with the on sensor system.

--
K.E.H. >> Shooting between raindrops in WA<<
Don't Panic!.. these are just opinions... go take some pictures..

I understand how the adapter works. I'm not seeing the A99II you're talking about, nor is there anything about it's development.

Come back when they release it, otherwise it's just your assumption.

 

[zackiedawg]

Keep quoting that with out ever understanding the limits of the adapter.. NO Scew drive support

That does mean we could see a Mirrorless or mirror lift A99II depending who good the AF really is with the on sensor system.

Indeed this has made things interesting, though still not fully fleshed out as to how they will proceed. I do like the conceptual idea that there might be a future 'a-mount' body that goes mirrorless, using this sensor and tech for PDAF focusing, but in a body with screw drive, IBIS, and the larger 500-series battery. That indeed might be my replacement for the A580 - I'd even consider full frame at that point, what with 42+MP still giving a reasonably high res when used with APS-C lenses.

I also admit the A7RII is very very interesting, and hopeful that there might be an APS-C version that has the same A-mount lens compatibility, which also might tempt me. My primary need and use of A-mount at this point is for birding and wildlife where I want to use my long lenses - so I could, if need be, get rid of all my shorter focal length A-mount lenses and pare down to just the Tamron 150-600mm and Minolta 300mm F4. But the Minolta would require screw drive, and the Tamron would require 3rd-party lens compatibility with any adapters (note Sony mentions the ability to use 'Sony' A-mount lenses, not 'any' A-mount lenses...I suspect there may not be compatibility for the PDAF sensors when using Sigma/Tamron/etc...I await further news in that regard.