DSLR Camera for Beginner on a Budget (Old or New)

The best deal on the market is the Nikon D3200 with two kit lens and several accessories such as a Nikon bag for around $500. This is cheaper even than you can get used.
 
Hello Guys,

Digging back into this post again, because i didn't get the camera you guys recommended because something came up, but i'm back on the prowl again and now thinking if i should go with a cheap DSLR, mirrorless or still the one you recommended.

I still need it for the interior of my apartments i rent, beaches, pools, scenery, landscape etc and possibly doing some hobby work like catching a few birds, flowers, insects etc, just everyday life.

Been looking at reviews and my choices are Sony RX100 (1-3 generations). Nikon D3300 or FujiFlim X-M1 or anything that has great image quality etc, thanks in advance.

Howard
Welcome back!

Apartment interiors are a problem. They often need an ultra-wide angle lens with a focal length around 15mm equivalent. The RX100M1 and M2 only go to 28mm equivalent at the wide end and the RX100M3 is a bit wider, going to 24mm.

Any DSLR or mirrorless will go that wide with the right lens, but those lenses are expensive, like $500 for the lens alone.
 
Thank everyone for the feedback, really appreciate it, still unsure what to do :(

Basically buying a lens for over $300 is definitely out of the picture, just need a decent camera, with a lens or 2 that can help me out, I see like the Nikon D3300 with like a kit lens and like a HD wide lens and a telephoto lens like on eBay etc, I just don't know what to do.

I really like the Sony RX100's, the Fujifilm X-M1 or even the X-A1 and the Nikon D3300, just need something to take better pictures than the regular point and shoot.

Howard
 
Basically buying a lens for over $300 is definitely out of the picture,
Howard, unfortunately, buying even a mediocre extra wide lens for any camera will usually set you back over $300 if you want new. I think Canon has a pretty good one for right at $300 with their 10-18 f/4.5-5.6 STM model. $300 - $500 is extremely cheap for a decent lens. Very inexpensive. I went what I consider cheap with my Nikon 16-35 f/4 and it cost me over $1100. That's cheap as good lenses go. 16-35 on FX is similar to a 10-20 on a DX camera.

Sure, they make the kit type lenses you see at Costco or Walmart included in bundles like the Nikon 18-55 and 55-200, but they are of somewhat mediocre build quality though optically not too bad. The problem is that neither really do interiors justice, if you're serious about that. 18mm is around the same FOV as a 27mm on FX.

As another said, you are probably going to want around 10mm - 12mm on the wide side on a crop camera like the D3100 to get there. They just don't make cheap kit lenses in those extra wide focal lengths that allow you to show the full width of many rooms. The wider lenses also give a better sense of depth when used properly.

Compact point and shoots generally end at a maximum of around a FOV of a 24mm lens on a professional FX camera. Again, for me, nowhere near wide enough.

If you are unwilling or unable to make an investment needed, you might be far better off hiring professionals to do the job and who have the gear needed to do it right. Good quality real estate photography can earn commissions which can far exceed the investment in time learning and equipment needed to do it in a compelling way. It's your salesman when you're not around. Would you trust that to a mediocre salesman?

As Charlie says, they just don't manufacture a camera with a "Make Art" button on their exterior. ;-) You have to invest in the right gear and invest in the education to learn how to use it.




Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 extra-wide zoom lens for APS-C cameras.



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I will show some examples of images that were supposedly done by a professional and a couple I would like to improve up, which were taken with a point and shoot (not by me).



1st image of pool area.





Professional image, don't know camera or lens or if it is wide enough.
Professional image, don't know camera or lens or if it is wide enough.



2nd image of living room.



Professional image, would this be considered wide enough?
Professional image, would this be considered wide enough?



3rd image of bedroom





Professional image
Professional image



Here are a few I would like to improve upon, this is a different apartment, a studio.





Regular point and shoot.
Regular point and shoot.





Regular point and shoot.
Regular point and shoot.



Howard
 
The 'pro' images are overexposed. They are done with an older (low end) DSLR and the kit lens. Cheap to reproduce once you gain a minimum level of skill.

The point and shoot are way off on whitebalance (blue shift). Also the P&S images are skewed. Just really poor attention to detail to mess those two things up that badly. Also a bit under exposed, the indoor shoot would benefit from a bounce flash.
 
The 'pro' images are overexposed. They are done with an older (low end) DSLR and the kit lens. Cheap to reproduce once you gain a minimum level of skill.

The point and shoot are way off on whitebalance (blue shift). Also the P&S images are skewed. Just really poor attention to detail to mess those two things up that badly. Also a bit under exposed, the indoor shoot would benefit from a bounce flash.
I completely agree with Bjorn. You might have paid for those supposedly professional shot, but they weren't of any professional standard I've ever seen. IMO, they were poor level snapshots taken with older cheap entry level equipment. Nothing wrong with that gear if used properly by someone with even a tiny bit of skill, but in this case, there seems to have been no skill.

Besides, most true professionals use professional level equipment. They have to in order the gear hold up to everyday abuses and also provide good tactile controls for ease of use. Not because pro level gear takes a better image.

Any of these images you've shown could be taken with a D3100 and kit lens providing you learned how to use them better than those so called professionals. That wouldn't be very hard. Just add a good flash like an SB500 or SB700 to the mix so you can swivel and bounce it for fill light and I think you'll far exceed those images.

If you again hire a professional, take a good look at their portfolio first and make sure you're getting a real estate photographer. Take the time to look at this web page and maybe the video to see what a professional's image might look like.

https://fstoppers.com/product/mike-kelley-where-art-meets-architecture

Good luck and have fun. :-)
 
The 'pro' images are overexposed. They are done with an older (low end) DSLR and the kit lens. Cheap to reproduce once you gain a minimum level of skill.

The point and shoot are way off on whitebalance (blue shift). Also the P&S images are skewed. Just really poor attention to detail to mess those two things up that badly. Also a bit under exposed, the indoor shoot would benefit from a bounce flash.
I completely agree with Bjorn. You might have paid for those supposedly professional shot, but they weren't of any professional standard I've ever seen. IMO, they were poor level snapshots taken with older cheap entry level equipment. Nothing wrong with that gear if used properly by someone with even a tiny bit of skill, but in this case, there seems to have been no skill.

Besides, most true professionals use professional level equipment. They have to in order the gear hold up to everyday abuses and also provide good tactile controls for ease of use. Not because pro level gear takes a better image.

Any of these images you've shown could be taken with a D3100 and kit lens providing you learned how to use them better than those so called professionals. That wouldn't be very hard. Just add a good flash like an SB500 or SB700 to the mix so you can swivel and bounce it for fill light and I think you'll far exceed those images.

If you again hire a professional, take a good look at their portfolio first and make sure you're getting a real estate photographer. Take the time to look at this web page and maybe the video to see what a professional's image might look like.

https://fstoppers.com/product/mike-kelley-where-art-meets-architecture

Good luck and have fun. :-)

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Hey Bjorn and Guidenet,



I didn't hire a professional for the images, they were sent to me by the Owner, which I immediately told him they were not professionally done, the other images were sent to me by another Owner who used his point and shoot to take the other pics, so thank you for all the advice.

I will send a couple I took with my brothers point and shoot camera, which is maybe like 6-8 years old or something like that.

I took these.
I took these.





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I agree with the other posts, it would be easy to improve on most of the shots you have posted with any camera. Better technique is what is needed most.
I really like the Sony RX100's, the Fujifilm X-M1 or even the X-A1 and the Nikon D3300, just need something to take better pictures than the regular point and shoot.
Tough call. The RX100 has been a very successful pocket camera, and it's 1-inch sensor is all that is needed for most hobby purposes, or even posting commercial shots to the Web. As an old hand with 35mm cameras I'm attracted to the retro vibe of the design for the Fuji cameras. At least in the USA market these come with a 16-50mm kit lens. The 16 end is a 24mm effective field width, a modest improvement over the usual 18-55 for WA purposes. "Modest" being the key word, not a huge deal. With a different "pancake" prime lens the X-A/M1 can also be a nice fit for street photography. The Nikon DSLR does open up the doors to a much bigger selection of accessories, should you end up going nuts with this. So, again, tough call.

nohelpKelly
 
Hey everyone,

So the best thing to do is get a older camera body like the Nikon D3100 with the Sigma 10-20mm lens to save money or is it because the D3100 is more suitable for what I need it for, the D3300 will not work properly or what?

Howard
 
Hello Guys,

Digging back into this post again, because i didn't get the camera you guys recommended because something came up, but i'm back on the prowl again and now thinking if i should go with a cheap DSLR, mirrorless or still the one you recommended.

I still need it for the interior of my apartments i rent, beaches, pools, scenery, landscape etc and possibly doing some hobby work like catching a few birds, flowers, insects etc, just everyday life.

Been looking at reviews and my choices are Sony RX100 (1-3 generations). Nikon D3300 or FujiFlim X-M1 or anything that has great image quality etc, thanks in advance.

Howard
Welcome back!

Apartment interiors are a problem. They often need an ultra-wide angle lens with a focal length around 15mm equivalent. The RX100M1 and M2 only go to 28mm equivalent at the wide end and the RX100M3 is a bit wider, going to 24mm.

Any DSLR or mirrorless will go that wide with the right lens, but those lenses are expensive, like $500 for the lens alone.
The Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 is $379 at B&H.
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Leonard Migliore
 
Hey everyone,

So the best thing to do is get a older camera body like the Nikon D3100 with the Sigma 10-20mm lens to save money or is it because the D3100 is more suitable for what I need it for, the D3300 will not work properly or what?

Howard
An older camera model, for the same feature level, is always less expensive. The D3300 certainly will work properly, just leave a little bigger hole in your wallet.

Kelly
 
Hey everyone,

So the best thing to do is get a older camera body like the Nikon D3100 with the Sigma 10-20mm lens to save money or is it because the D3100 is more suitable for what I need it for, the D3300 will not work properly or what?

Howard
As Kelly said, the D3300 would do fine. Just trying to save you money. The skill is provided by the nut behind the viewfinder, not the gear. ;-)

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Oh ok, thank you Kelly and Guidenet, really appreciate all the help from everyone.

Looking at the D3100 samples to the D3300 samples is like a step down in image quality, but it is to be expected since the D3100 is a older camera, but will see what I decide to do.

Howard
 
Oh ok, thank you Kelly and Guidenet, really appreciate all the help from everyone.

Looking at the D3100 samples to the D3300 samples is like a step down in image quality, but it is to be expected since the D3100 is a older camera, but will see what I decide to do.

Howard
Go half way w/ the D3200 then?
 
Oh ok, thank you Kelly and Guidenet, really appreciate all the help from everyone.

Looking at the D3100 samples to the D3300 samples is like a step down in image quality, but it is to be expected since the D3100 is a older camera, but will see what I decide to do.

Howard
Go half way w/ the D3200 then?
Personally, I doubt there is any real difference in image quality, just who's taking the shot and how they might have processed it. A halfway decent photographer can make either camera look better than the other. Maybe later when Howard dives into the intricacies of quality RAW processing, the newer model may have a slight bit more headroom. I don't know. Maybe. :-)
 
Hey Everyone,

So after contemplating back and forth, reading a lot of reviews and taking all of your suggestions into consideration, since i'm a newbie to DSLR, i think starting off with the Nikon D3100 is best for me and possibly get the body alone, maybe with the kit lens depending on how much and getting the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 HSM.

Howard
 
Hey Everyone,

So after contemplating back and forth, reading a lot of reviews and taking all of your suggestions into consideration, since i'm a newbie to DSLR, i think starting off with the Nikon D3100 is best for me and possibly get the body alone, maybe with the kit lens depending on how much and getting the Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 HSM.

Howard
Great choice. My sister loves hers.
 

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