I love the X100T, but I'm sending it back

tedolf said:

tr573 said:

tedolf said:

tedolf said:

Again, they set the rules and playing field. Not me. I'm living in their world, and maximizing my benefit because it's a higher priority to me than maximizing theirs.

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Yeah, its all about you isn't it?

Tedolpho

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Yeah, actually it is. Over the shareholders of some random company? Me all the way.

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Your a great guy!

Can't wait to meet you.

tedolf said:

If you feel the need to maximize share value (at your own expense) for companies you aren't a stakeholder in, good for you.

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I look at life a little differently.

tedolph

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Bully for you?

tr573 said:

tedolf said:

tr573 said:

tr573 said:

tr573 said:

Again, they set the rules and playing field. Not me. I'm living in their world, and maximizing my benefit because it's a higher priority to me than maximizing theirs.

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Yeah, its all about you isn't it?

Tedolpho

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Yeah, actually it is. Over the shareholders of some random company? Me all the way.

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Your a great guy!

Can't wait to meet you.

tr573 said:

If you feel the need to maximize share value (at your own expense) for companies you aren't a stakeholder in, good for you.

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I look at life a little differently.

tedolph

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Bully for you?

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Not necessarily.

TEdolph

mrswitters said:

opticaloptimum said:

This is despicable. The negatives you report are well known, so why did you buy the camera? The retailer will suffer a loss which, indirectly, will be passed on to us more thoughtful and responsible buyers. If the camera was faulty, then it would, naturally, be proper to get it fixed or replaced under guarantee.

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The air must be pretty thin up there on your high horse.

Here's B&H's return policy:

mrswitters said:

If, for whatever reason, you are dissatisfied with your purchase, you can return it to B&H within 30 days of purchase date subject to conditions below.

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I spend thousands of dollars a year with B&H, between business and personal purchases, and I've talked to several of their support reps about their return policy. They have confirmed that yes, if you buy a camera and are dissatisfied with the auto-focus or shutter lag (for example), you have every right to do that under their return policy.

Why do you think retailers like B&H and Amazon are so popular? In part, because of their generous return policies. It's a smart decision for them, because it removes an obstacle to purchase and keeps customers loyal. The "for whatever reason" part is deliberate and strategic.

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out of curiosity, does anyone know what these retailers with liberal return policies do with the returns they get? are they resold as open-box items or are they resold as new? (the latter seemingly unethical, but i wouldn't put it past them)

chris__n said:

out of curiosity, does anyone know what these retailers with liberal return policies do with the returns they get? are they resold as open-box items or are they resold as new? (the latter seemingly unethical, but i wouldn't put it past them)

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Good question. In any event, for the record, I have only returned a few items in many years of purchases. Mostly Sigma lenses with AF issues! I am keeping the X100T as I mentioned earlier in this thread, enjoying its strengths and living with its limitations.

It amazes me that the MODs removed an innocent thread around Dec 25th that simply wished everyone merry christmas, and yet this thread is allowed to roll on with personal slur after slur. Surely it should have been locked by now?

Very happy with my x100t. Even sold my a7ii sony now as I just can't warm up to sony. Nice technology but no soul. When I first bought my x100t there was as instant connection when impressed the shutter for the first time, it is my first pick for 2015.

i know exactly what you mean about sony cameras' lack of soul. i use an rx100ii off and on. it's a damn good camera and checks just about all the boxes, especially for discrete street photography. yet it is just no damn fun to use. my x100/s are (despite the reputation of being great for street photograpy) very flawed tools for getting street photos (too obvious and too slow) yet i have a blast with every outing.

tedolf said:

webfrasse said:

opticaloptimum said:

This is despicable. The negatives you report are well known, so why did you buy the camera? The retailer will suffer a loss which, indirectly, will be passed on to us more thoughtful and responsible buyers. If the camera was faulty, then it would, naturally, be proper to get it fixed or replaced under guarantee.

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You must be a retailer which I hope I never have to deal with. I return lots of stuff for different reasons. Recently I returned a Sony A6000 kit to Costco after an online offer dumped the price more than $300 a few weeks later. I ordered it and returned the Costco kit.

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I'll bet you are proud of that, aren't you?

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Wow, what a sad little person...

dellaaa said:

If for some reason you want to peel off 8 FPS of your children in motion, IMHO a DSLR is the tool for you. Cheers!

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Apparently you've never shot sports. Yes, 8 FPS is needed to shoot kids in motion. And so is high ISO performance - I often shoot indoor basketball at ISO 6400.

mrswitters said:

I bought a X100T a few weeks ago. I was hoping it could be a lightweight, compact, carry-around and travel alternative to my 5DIII.

I loved so many things about it:

• Beautiful files with natural skin tones
• Great high ISO with natural looking noise
• Flexible AF point selection (select point anywhere in the frame)
• Incredibly useful face detection (detects face anywhere in the frame); permits dynamic compositions without focus-recomposing
• Ability to meter off any selected AF point
• Very useful built-in flash: the most naturally-balanced fill light I've ever used with on-camera flash
• Electronic shutter permits shooting wide open in bright light
• Size, weight, and appearance

With a list like this, one might wonder why I'm sending it back.

The answer is that it has one deficiency that I just can't deal with: it's too slow. I mostly take pictures of my 3.5 year-old daughter at this point, and I found that the shutter lag, decent-but-not-great AF speed in AF-S, and unusable AF-C were just unworkable for the kind of pictures I take.

There was one other thing that bugged me, which was the soft results with close-ups—which I found myself wanting to take quite often because of the 35mm FOV.

If I was still shooting street, fine art, travel without fast-moving subjects and a need for AF-C, this would be a perfect camera for me. Alas, that's not the case.

But owning the X100T for a while did make me more clear on what my dream camera would be. Here it is:

• AF capabilities of high-end DSLRs like 5D3, 1DX, D3, etc.
• Shooting features of D750/Nikon bodies: auto-ISO implementation, spot-metering off selected AF point, etc.
• Size and weight of Fujifilm X-series
• Lens quality/selection/price of Fujifilm
• DR of the Sony sensor
• DOF control of full-frame sensors

I can dream, right?

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Stuff like this really makes me LOL.
"Hi, my name is Bob, and I can't read, much less use google and the interwebs. I bought a camera hoping it's blazing fast, despite all reviews saying it's not. Oh, and it has a fixed 23mm lens...what's the deal with that?! I'm also dumping my wife because I was hoping she can cook, even thou everyone (including her) said she can't. I love her, but I'm divorcing her and going back to my big, heavy ex wife. I don't really love my ex, but she can cook...fast'

webfrasse said:

tedolf said:

webfrasse said:

opticaloptimum said:

This is despicable. The negatives you report are well known, so why did you buy the camera? The retailer will suffer a loss which, indirectly, will be passed on to us more thoughtful and responsible buyers. If the camera was faulty, then it would, naturally, be proper to get it fixed or replaced under guarantee.

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You must be a retailer which I hope I never have to deal with. I return lots of stuff for different reasons. Recently I returned a Sony A6000 kit to Costco after an online offer dumped the price more than $300 a few weeks later. I ordered it and returned the Costco kit.

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I'll bet you are proud of that, aren't you?

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Wow, what a sad little person...

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Which one?

webfrasse said:

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Mikael

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TEdolph

"Soon, you won't have Tedolph to kick around anymore"

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Mikael

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Tedolph

mrswitters said:

mrswitters wrote:
Another option is just keeping the camera beyond the return date to give myself more time with it. If I really can't deal with the limitations, I can always sell it. Not sure what the resale value of X100Ts is, though—I should probably look into that before deciding.

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Or return it and buy a used one; that way, if you do sell it in a couple of months you aren't taking the initial hit in depreciation.

Also, changing from release priority to focus priority means it won't take the shot unless it achieves AF lock first. No half-press first.

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I have only had the X100T for a few weeks and its true that AF-C isn't the greatest on this camera (or many compact cameras for that mater), but I have an easy & very usable work around..that has served me well so far.

1. First set the camera to 'High Performance' mode. This drains the battery...just buy a spare battery or two, throw em in your bag.

2. Use AF-S not AF-C

3. Turn on Face detection

4. Don't half press the shutter release to pre-focus (too slow). Shoot by pressing the shutter release straight down.

5. Set to Drive / Burst mode (works best in Fine JPEG of course)

The auto focus is really quick on the X100T...a lot quicker than it gets credit for. Its easily fast enough for street photography, people walking /running, children playing, cars, moving objects etc. I have gotten some very fast crisp images this way.

This technique works really really well in good to medium quality light, less so in dim / dark conditions (obviously).

I know this is a very old thread, but I'm new to the X100T, what does everyone else think?

If I really wanted a high FPS / low lag, super fast AF-C camera, well I don;t think I would have gone for a compact fixed lens camera. Why by an X100T? You'd be far better of spending your $1200 on a fast Cannon or Sony body and quick lens for a little bit more $$$.

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I bought a X100T a few weeks ago. I was hoping it could be a lightweight, compact, carry-around and travel alternative to my 5DIII.

I loved so many things about it:

• Beautiful files with natural skin tones
• Great high ISO with natural looking noise
• Flexible AF point selection (select point anywhere in the frame)
• Incredibly useful face detection (detects face anywhere in the frame); permits dynamic compositions without focus-recomposing
• Ability to meter off any selected AF point
• Very useful built-in flash: the most naturally-balanced fill light I've ever used with on-camera flash
• Electronic shutter permits shooting wide open in bright light
• Size, weight, and appearance

With a list like this, one might wonder why I'm sending it back.

The answer is that it has one deficiency that I just can't deal with: it's too slow. I mostly take pictures of my 3.5 year-old daughter at this point, and I found that the shutter lag, decent-but-not-great AF speed in AF-S, and unusable AF-C were just unworkable for the kind of pictures I take.

There was one other thing that bugged me, which was the soft results with close-ups—which I found myself wanting to take quite often because of the 35mm FOV.

If I was still shooting street, fine art, travel without fast-moving subjects and a need for AF-C, this would be a perfect camera for me. Alas, that's not the case.

But owning the X100T for a while did make me more clear on what my dream camera would be. Here it is:

• AF capabilities of high-end DSLRs like 5D3, 1DX, D3, etc.
• Shooting features of D750/Nikon bodies: auto-ISO implementation, spot-metering off selected AF point, etc.
• Size and weight of Fujifilm X-series
• Lens quality/selection/price of Fujifilm
• DR of the Sony sensor
• DOF control of full-frame sensors

I can dream, right?

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The list is absurd, sorry. Not going to happen and it means you are never going to be happy with the camera.

78finn said:

4. Don't half press the shutter release to pre-focus (too slow). Shoot by pressing the shutter release straight down.

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Set your camera to Focus Priority, instead of Release Priority, to get the most out of this.

kilometer31 said:

I think it's is well established that the softness with close ups is on at wide open 2.0 aperture Stopping down to 2.4 or a bit more eliminates the issue.

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True. If only there was a way to specify a minimum aperture in auto mode. Then we could tell the camera to use any aperture it wants as long as it's above f/2.8 for example, and avoid this weakness. Maybe some day...

mrswitters said:

I bought a X100T a few weeks ago. I was hoping it could be a lightweight, compact, carry-around and travel alternative to my 5DIII.

I loved so many things about it:

• Beautiful files with natural skin tones
• Great high ISO with natural looking noise
• Flexible AF point selection (select point anywhere in the frame)
• Incredibly useful face detection (detects face anywhere in the frame); permits dynamic compositions without focus-recomposing
• Ability to meter off any selected AF point
• Very useful built-in flash: the most naturally-balanced fill light I've ever used with on-camera flash
• Electronic shutter permits shooting wide open in bright light
• Size, weight, and appearance

With a list like this, one might wonder why I'm sending it back.

The answer is that it has one deficiency that I just can't deal with: it's too slow. I mostly take pictures of my 3.5 year-old daughter at this point, and I found that the shutter lag, decent-but-not-great AF speed in AF-S, and unusable AF-C were just unworkable for the kind of pictures I take.

There was one other thing that bugged me, which was the soft results with close-ups—which I found myself wanting to take quite often because of the 35mm FOV.

If I was still shooting street, fine art, travel without fast-moving subjects and a need for AF-C, this would be a perfect camera for me. Alas, that's not the case.

But owning the X100T for a while did make me more clear on what my dream camera would be. Here it is:

• AF capabilities of high-end DSLRs like 5D3, 1DX, D3, etc.
• Shooting features of D750/Nikon bodies: auto-ISO implementation, spot-metering off selected AF point, etc.
• Size and weight of Fujifilm X-series
• Lens quality/selection/price of Fujifilm
• DR of the Sony sensor
• DOF control of full-frame sensors

I can dream, right?

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I don't know how high your expectations are concerning the keeper rate. I am certainly fine with 1 out of 3 when there is a lot of running involved with our four year old son. By this standard the X100T does not dissapoint. I recommend not shooting wide open but at least at f2.8 when she is running a lot. Running indoors I shoot wide open sometimes but found it beat to prefocus either with the AF or manually to a certain distance, wait for my son to enter the frame et voilá: works pretty well. Continous AF is much better with my X-T1 though.

tr573 said:

tedolf said:

webfrasse said:

opticaloptimum said:

This is despicable. The negatives you report are well known, so why did you buy the camera? The retailer will suffer a loss which, indirectly, will be passed on to us more thoughtful and responsible buyers. If the camera was faulty, then it would, naturally, be proper to get it fixed or replaced under guarantee.

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You must be a retailer which I hope I never have to deal with. I return lots of stuff for different reasons. Recently I returned a Sony A6000 kit to Costco after an online offer dumped the price more than $300 a few weeks later. I ordered it and returned the Costco kit.

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I'll bet you are proud of that, aren't you?

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Saving 300$? Why wouldn't he be. We hit the max out of pocket on our health insurance in August this year. I didn't call them and insist on continuing to pay copays - instead I made sure we all refilled prescriptions for 3 month supplies in December. why should I save some company money at cost to myself?

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Regardless of my opinion about returning a lot of stuff, I see no problem with this.

chris__n said:

mrswitters said:

opticaloptimum said:

This is despicable. The negatives you report are well known, so why did you buy the camera? The retailer will suffer a loss which, indirectly, will be passed on to us more thoughtful and responsible buyers. If the camera was faulty, then it would, naturally, be proper to get it fixed or replaced under guarantee.

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The air must be pretty thin up there on your high horse.

Here's B&H's return policy:

chris__n said:

If, for whatever reason, you are dissatisfied with your purchase, you can return it to B&H within 30 days of purchase date subject to conditions below.

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I spend thousands of dollars a year with B&H, between business and personal purchases, and I've talked to several of their support reps about their return policy. They have confirmed that yes, if you buy a camera and are dissatisfied with the auto-focus or shutter lag (for example), you have every right to do that under their return policy.

Why do you think retailers like B&H and Amazon are so popular? In part, because of their generous return policies. It's a smart decision for them, because it removes an obstacle to purchase and keeps customers loyal. The "for whatever reason" part is deliberate and strategic.

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out of curiosity, does anyone know what these retailers with liberal return policies do with the returns they get? are they resold as open-box items or are they resold as new? (the latter seemingly unethical, but i wouldn't put it past them)

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That is the reason why I don't buy less from Amazon. I had several open box items (not packaged as they should be and stickers missing) sold to me as new. Never happened to me with B&H though. I guess it is at least less often with them.

I've not read all the posts (too many),,but if the x100t has the same autofocus system as the xt10,,then if you cannot "continuous autofocus" on your kids - you are doing something wrong...camera,,providing not faulty is very capable...

Bird's fly a lot faster than your kids move,I can capture them in flight no prob (with zone continuous).But wide angle lenses for me more useful for landscape than fast moving subjects,,if you'd bought the xt10 with the 55-200 in the first place,you wouldn't be needing the inconvenience of taking back your cam...

Dave...