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As a Fuji Shooter would this make you change? Nikon FF Mirrorless

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With no OVF or EVF, I immediately lost interest. If the offer one that mounts to the top, then maybe....but I would view that as a lame bandaid.
 
I like having an aperture ring. I like having an ISO dial. I like the simplicity and the direct Fuji layout. Its not that I dislike Nikon, I used a D2X for over two years. I simply like the Fuji ergonomics and controls over Nikon and everyone else.
 
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The Davinator said:
With no OVF or EVF, I immediately lost interest. If the offer one that mounts to the top, then maybe....but I would view that as a lame bandaid.
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In all fairness, the post from Nikon Rumors was pretty slim and he had no real knowledge of the total final product. So, we will have to see what, if anything, Nikon births to world...
 
If Nikon implements the concept along the lines of the speculation - not interested.
 
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Last, mirrorless is supposed to be smaller and lower weight than the DSLR
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Who made that rule up? At some point mirrorless will be -better- technology than any optical finder camera but that doesn't mean they have to all be tiny little cameras.

I'd buy an F mount FX mirrorless camera in a heartbeat.

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True enough. I think the DSLR is moving into the past. Eventually camera makers will develop mirrorless cameras that have a feature set that exceeds the requirements of DSLR shooters. Removing the mirror and other moving parts will make camera more reliable and potentially smaller and lighter. Potentially, but not guaranteed.
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My main problems with them is noise, vibration induced blur and AF inaccuracy. Smaller and lighter is not what I really need. Once Fuji makes some of the longer/faster glass, the disadvantage of a small body becomes apparent. Look how many people ADD grips etc trying to make them large enough to hold onto already! My X-E1 needs a grip and a thumb rest to even make using the slow 55-200 comfortable and I have small hands.
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Right now many complaints about mirrorless are about speed, auto-focus response and so forth with regard to action photography. Technology advancements will eventually solve these problems.
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Exactly, once the EVF tearing and lag issues disappear and the on sensor PDAF catches up, there will be zero advantage to an optical finder and many advantages to being mirrorless. I think forcing -every- mirrorless camera into a small format that doesn't balance well with fast glass is just a mistake.

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I agree - my X-T1 is at the limits of how small I can go and still use the camera without having to use fingernails to push buttons. It is also more comfortable with the battery grip, but that defeats the smallness factor.
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I find my XT-1 far more comfortable without the grip. The only time it is on my camera is if I am shooting a lot of verticals, so it is really only on the camera in the studio.
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If Nikon were to implement this well, I'd buy one. For me, it needs to have an excellent EVF - X-T1 class or better - and be a bit larger than the X-T1. I'd even be happy with a Df or D750 sized body to be honest. They can reduce flange distance and introduce new lenses and an adapter for legacy F-mount glass in the second generation.

I will not be interested if it turns out to be along the lines of the current speculation.

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... it would have to be 24 MPix from let's say D610 in FM2 body with EVF as good as XT-1 has to make me think....

Then there would be 3k USD + price tagw with oil spots/flare/AF problems as bonus.
 
Nikon must feel that without this mirrorless alternative, it is loosing out on the relatively new market. It has to build the mirrorless camera, but with much reluctance. The delay in this direction is obviously a purposeful delay to access marketing strategy based on an ever increasing wedge of the market going mirrorless. This mirrorless market is not comprised of new photophiles. They will not be among those who will end up spending on new mirrorless lens alternatives $2K- 3K-4K. They are current Nikon owners. By the way, Canon will soon follow with their alternative. Either, the big boys bite the bullet or will die by the bullet. They must offer the option. Now, what will the option really be? The advantage of a smaller body will be totally negated by the addition of the classic old venerable lenses that had lead the reputation of Nikon. It is obviously a ridiculous marketing strategy to offer this lighter body and assume the public would use the heavy lenses(70-200mm for example) I do not believe that really any of the current Nikon lens line-up would have any lasting appeal as the true endgame lens to be used with this lighter alternative body. It will be a marketing ploy at best to seduce the current Nikon devotee. An entire new lens portfolio will have to be offered to be consistent with the "lighter is better" alternative. This market at least for the short -term will aimed at the amateur, not professional market. The last thing that Nikon would do is undermine its own credibility with the pros(at least for now)
 
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This is only a RUMOR. As of today there has been no official announcement of any such camera and no specs are known.

Ask this question again after the official announcement and full specs are known. Then, and only then, can anyone answer your question.
 
I have to agree. We don't know if rumor is true and if true we don't know enough about the camera and then we still wouldn't know how it performs.

I'm surprised about how many here responded with an outright "no" to buying it - sight unseen and data unknown. That doesn't make any sense at all unless you harbor some nasty animosity towards NIKON.

I still say "never say never" to buying what may come from this. Trade in your FUJI for it ? Why - who says you can't have two or three systems ?
 
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This is only a RUMOR. As of today there has been no official announcement of any such camera and no specs are known.

Ask this question again after the official announcement and full specs are known. Then, and only then, can anyone answer your question.
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I see this not as cannibalizing their DSLR market but in capturing the switchers. All the old folks (like me) who are tired of heavy gear.

If this camera is real I can see many Nikon shooters going for it because they don't want to sell their glass or use adapted lenses.
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What do you gain in weight with going Full Frame mirrorless AND your old heavy lenses?
All you gain is a little less weight in the body. But none for the glass, and none for your accessories like a large flash.

I don't see the point except for being it a FF camera.
Then again how often do you really use razor thin DoF and how often do you shoot black cats in complete darkness?

I still own a D4 and D800E, but have decided not to invest in Nikon gear anymore.
As time progresses the Fuji gear gets better and up to a point that it is more or less equal in performance to my Nikon gear.

So when the large big heavy stuff needs to be replaced I have good hopes that Fuji is at that point I just talked about.
 
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R_U_Q_R_U said:
I see this not as cannibalizing their DSLR market but in capturing the switchers. All the old folks (like me) who are tired of heavy gear.

If this camera is real I can see many Nikon shooters going for it because they don't want to sell their glass or use adapted lenses.
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What do you gain in weight with going Full Frame mirrorless AND your old heavy lenses?
All you gain is a little less weight in the body. But none for the glass, and none for your accessories like a large flash.

I don't see the point except for being it a FF camera.
Then again how often do you really use razor thin DoF and how often do you shoot black cats in complete darkness?

I still own a D4 and D800E, but have decided not to invest in Nikon gear anymore.
As time progresses the Fuji gear gets better and up to a point that it is more or less equal in performance to my Nikon gear.
So when the large big heavy stuff needs to be replaced I have good hopes that Fuji is at that point I just talked about.
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True enough, the Nikon marketing management must also be looking at customers like you see mirrorless as the way of the future. Fuji has done a great job with their current gear. I sold all my FF Nikon gear and "G" lenses. The X-T1 is an awesome camera.

Nikon, if the really ever do this camera, probably has a number of marketing goals. Keeping switchers is just one of them.

Thom Hogan talks about some of the Nikon marketing strategy here: http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon-is-generation-image.html
 
This is only a mockup, but it looks very promising...



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R_U_Q_R_U said:
True enough, the Nikon marketing management must also be looking at customers like you see mirrorless as the way of the future. Fuji has done a great job with their current gear. I sold all my FF Nikon gear and "G" lenses. The X-T1 is an awesome camera.

Nikon, if the really ever do this camera, probably has a number of marketing goals. Keeping switchers is just one of them.
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Who knows what Fuji is developing. They have a roadmap and a marketing department too.
I think they have good insight on how the market is developing over the coming years. Its well possible that Fuji one day will decide that a larger sensor is needed if the market forces them to.

For now I am absolutely happy about my Fuji gear and being it APS-C.
If, and only if Fuji will decide to go the FF way. Then I really hope they will follow into the footsteps of Leica and decide to make a bunch of f2.0 lenses so you still can get rid of the weight, have enough shallow DoF and have the advantage of the higher ISO.

What I found out over the past year is that I feel at home and comfortable with Fuji.
Something I've never had with my previous Canon and my Nikon gear.
 
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No, I wouldn't move to a Nikon FF mirrorless. Especially not the one rumored on nikonrumors. I quite enjoy the Fuji way of doing things, even if I wish they would improve on some points. After 6 years with Nikon digital and a brief stint back with them I'm done with Nikon. Maybe on the next firesale of Nikon 1 V3 or something.
 
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Nikon, if the really ever do this camera, probably has a number of marketing goals. Keeping switchers is just one of them.
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My career is in product marketing/management and I've worked for the dominant player in a market, from the beginning of that market. That said, the market leaders are never the first to change. In fact, they will fight change, try to convince their market they shouldn't change, produce midway products to try to satisfy their existing market, and then only change once they lose enough market share to really care. Nikon is in that penultimate step. It's predictable.

No company wants to risk new products that compete with products that make them a ton of money. They won't do it when the writing is on the wall; they'll only do it when the wall is falling over and threatening to crush them. Nikon is still making too much money off their DSLR business to really innovate in something else. Just my humble opinion, but I'll believe otherwise when I see it.

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