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Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know.. the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses (28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

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I have no idea what the prices are in Singapore, but in the US $2000 wouldn't do it, not buying new.

In addition to the lenses you'll probably want a flash, at least something like the 420EX, a couple flash cards, at least 256 mb each, and an extra battery.

Visit B&H online to figure the total. I'd guess it would be closer to $3000 if you pick a couple decent but not expensive lenses.
 
I think you're asking the wrong question. A DSLR will cost you MUCH more than a point&shoot (P&S), so yes it will retain a better value in the long term, but you will invest much more upfront too.

It all depends what you want to shoot and why. Consider that your equipment will be heavier and bigger than most P&S you can find, for a quality that is not necessarily better (could be better, but could not). If you don't take it with you, then it will cost its non-use, whereas a P&S remains easily in your pocket. I still have my Sony DSC-P1 and take great shots with it. It weights 100grs, against more than 1.5 kgs with my 10D.

The costs now...

Body... about 1400-1500 $
Additional battery 50$
Flash Card (512 MB Sandisk), you need 2 : 149x2 = 300 $

Lens... from 80$ (50mm 1.8) to.... infinite! Good zoom around 310$ (24-85) or better (for instance) around 400$ (28-135 IS USM)...
Flash ? 420 EX 200$
So to begin with, around 2000$-2500$
(I have almost doubled that so far)

+ a lot of time to learn your camera, to adapt to it, and to enjoy shooting!
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Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.
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I assume that you are coming from the SLR world?
Raymo1 said:
So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.
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Camera: $1500 USD.
28-135mm IS: About $500 USD or so.

The 28-135 is a very respectable (if not slow) lens. It has decent (but not great) macro abilities and provides a good IS design. On the 10D it would act like a 50-240mm or so on a 35mm film SLR.

Also, computer power is a must. If you pave an older PII or PIII or old G3, an upgrade might be desired.

There is basic software that comes with the 10D that is OK.

Then there are things like tripods, cable releases and a million nickel and dime items.
Raymo1 said:
Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?
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The cameras will always be getting better. It is like the computer industry now. You can always wait 6 months and get more for less. I suspect this will be true at least for the next 2 years.
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Closer to $2500 USA.

Potential purchases:

body 1500
my 24-200 tokina $270/rebate
Flash 550ex $300 -extra AA batteries & charger-$40
-$45 1 spare camera battery
cf card/microdrive 100
remote cable release + extention cable 110
case + tripod 100+
card reader (usb 1) $15

Caution. This will become a money pit without great restaint. You know, faster computer, better monitor, spyder, better tripod/monopod AND an addiction to L gla$$, etc. Not to mention printer and $upplies.

Waiting will always have some appeal. Also, it will mean you will miss great photo opportunities now.

Good luck.

Tokina 24-200 sample pics

This one sold me: http://www.pbase.com/image/2277201/original

http://www.pbase.com/image/4268465/original

Bryan Siverly (BryanS)wrote:

I know some of you now think my eyes need examining, but I thought I'd show you just one of the shots that I'm getting indoors with this camera at very nearly full aperture.

The following image is unaltered (not sharpened at all), and only resized to fit in this window. The original full image is underneath, converted to 100% JPG from RAW. Shot was at 70mm, f5.6. Full aperture is f4.5, I believe at that focal length.

Make sure to check out the full-size image. I don't get much better with many of my prime lenses. http://www.pbase.com/image/4337929/original
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4216901

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3792248

more images:

http://www.pbase.com/image/13907604

http://www.pbase.com/image/13907595

http://www.pbase.com/image/13902614

http://www.pbase.com/image/5096743

http://www.pbase.com/image/5096743

http://www.pbase.com/image/2526179

http://www.pbase.com/image/17233586

http://www.pbase.com/image/17233640

http://www.pbase.com/image/17233675

reviews:

http://www.photozone.de/bindex2.html
http://www.photozone.de/bindex2.html
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

--
Ray
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Well I'm already impressed by the level of intelligent responses here compared to some other forums.
Thanks for the advice, to answer some questions:

No I'm not coming from SLR, I'm new (1 year) but I have a fast learning curve and little patience ;-)

I'm in Ireland but a mate of mine is going to Singapore soon. Singapore prices look similar to NY give or take a few %. It's just that Singapore shops offer European warranty cards (I hope).
I already use a Manfrotto tripod and a speedlite flash, my PC is a P4.

I can just about afford $2500, but I just love getting a bargin, the same deal would cost me at least 30% more in Ireland.

Well, thanks again to all. I have some thinking to do.

Cheers,
Ray.
Robert Vance said:
Closer to $2500 USA.

Potential purchases:

body 1500
my 24-200 tokina $270/rebate
Flash 550ex $300 -extra AA batteries & charger-$40
-$45 1 spare camera battery
cf card/microdrive 100
remote cable release + extention cable 110
case + tripod 100+
card reader (usb 1) $15

Caution. This will become a money pit without great restaint. You
know, faster computer, better monitor, spyder, better
tripod/monopod AND an addiction to L gla$$, etc. Not to mention
printer and $upplies.

Waiting will always have some appeal. Also, it will mean you will
miss great photo opportunities now.

Good luck.

Tokina 24-200 sample pics

This one sold me: http://www.pbase.com/image/2277201/original

http://www.pbase.com/image/4268465/original

Bryan Siverly (BryanS)wrote:
I know some of you now think my eyes need examining, but I thought
I'd show you just one of the shots that I'm getting indoors with
this camera at very nearly full aperture.
The following image is unaltered (not sharpened at all), and only
resized to fit in this window. The original full image is
underneath, converted to 100% JPG from RAW. Shot was at 70mm, f5.6.
Full aperture is f4.5, I believe at that focal length.
Make sure to check out the full-size image. I don't get much better
with many of my prime
lenses. http://www.pbase.com/image/4337929/original
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=4216901

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=3792248

more images:

http://www.pbase.com/image/13907604

http://www.pbase.com/image/13907595

http://www.pbase.com/image/13902614

http://www.pbase.com/image/5096743

http://www.pbase.com/image/5096743

http://www.pbase.com/image/2526179

http://www.pbase.com/image/17233586

http://www.pbase.com/image/17233640

http://www.pbase.com/image/17233675

reviews:

http://www.photozone.de/bindex2.html
http://www.photozone.de/bindex2.html
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

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Ray
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Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

--
Ray
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Do you really mean 28 and 200mm as just two seperate primes? If so, your options aren't that bad.

28mm:

TOKINA AT-X 17 AF PRO f/3.5 Lens EOS $399 28mm equiv
SIGMA AF 15mm f2.8 EX Diagonal fisheye Lens EOS $399 24mm equiv (when de-fished)
SIGMA AF 20mm f/1.8 EX DG Aspherical RF Lens EOS $360 32mm equiv
CANON EF 20mm f/2.8 USM Lens $420 32mm equiv

200mm:

SIGMA AF105mm f2.8 EX Macro 1:1 Lens EOS $360 168mm equiv
CANON EF 100mm f/2 USM Lens $380 160mm equiv
CANON EF 135mm f/2.8 with Softfocus Lens $280 216mm equiv

All of these are good lenses, and would serve well with almost any body you could think to get. The equivalent focal lengths are for the 10D/D30/D60.

If you were actually thinking zoom, you have a couple of good options there, too. However, I would suggest giving up the 28mm wide end, as that's the tougher one to do. If you really want that, about your only options are:

TOKINA AF 19-35mm 3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens EOS $180
plus
CANON EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Zoom Lens $600

for 30-320mm with a gap (that is surprisingly not that big of a gap) and great quality on the long end, acceptable on the short end.

Or sacrifice the 200mm and get the

CANON EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Zoom Lens $800

for 28mm-64mm, or maybe

CANON EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Zoom Lens $400

for 45-216mm.

Any of these should be a good option, something you won't immediately want to dump upon getting another lens. It's up to you to decide which way you want to bias things. Only you know what you shoot.
 
Thanks for that list of options Keith.

So I guess I should budget at least $1000 on lenses ( I like your 30-320 suggestion for $780).

I just remembered that my Dad has an older Canon EOS film camera with some AF lenses, and it's been years since he has used them. I'm going to call him today to ask for the spec. I could borrow these until I build up my own "glassware".

What do I need to ask him, I assume all Canon EOS mounts are the same, and that the Auto Focus will work, I was thinking of a 10D back.

Regards,

Ray.
Keith Jewell said:
Do you really mean 28 and 200mm as just two seperate primes? If so,
your options aren't that bad.

28mm:

TOKINA AT-X 17 AF PRO f/3.5 Lens EOS $399 28mm equiv
SIGMA AF 15mm f2.8 EX Diagonal fisheye Lens EOS $399 24mm equiv
(when de-fished)
SIGMA AF 20mm f/1.8 EX DG Aspherical RF Lens EOS $360 32mm equiv
CANON EF 20mm f/2.8 USM Lens $420 32mm equiv

200mm:

SIGMA AF105mm f2.8 EX Macro 1:1 Lens EOS $360 168mm equiv
CANON EF 100mm f/2 USM Lens $380 160mm equiv
CANON EF 135mm f/2.8 with Softfocus Lens $280 216mm equiv

All of these are good lenses, and would serve well with almost any
body you could think to get. The equivalent focal lengths are for
the 10D/D30/D60.

If you were actually thinking zoom, you have a couple of good
options there, too. However, I would suggest giving up the 28mm
wide end, as that's the tougher one to do. If you really want that,
about your only options are:

TOKINA AF 19-35mm 3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens EOS $180
plus
CANON EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Zoom Lens $600

for 30-320mm with a gap (that is surprisingly not that big of a
gap) and great quality on the long end, acceptable on the short end.

Or sacrifice the 200mm and get the

CANON EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Zoom Lens $800

for 28mm-64mm, or maybe

CANON EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Zoom Lens $400

for 45-216mm.

Any of these should be a good option, something you won't
immediately want to dump upon getting another lens. It's up to you
to decide which way you want to bias things. Only you know what you
shoot.
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I just got off the phone, he has a Canon EOS 10 film back.
The lenses are a Canon EF 75-300mm f1.4-5.6 and an EF 35-80mm f1.4-5.6

Would these lenses work on a 10D ?

Ray
Raymo1 said:
I just remembered that my Dad has an older Canon EOS film camera
with some AF lenses, and it's been years since he has used them.
I'm going to call him today to ask for the spec. I could borrow
these until I build up my own "glassware".
What do I need to ask him, I assume all Canon EOS mounts are the
same, and that the Auto Focus will work, I was thinking of a 10D
back.

Regards,

Ray.
Keith Jewell said:
Do you really mean 28 and 200mm as just two seperate primes? If so,
your options aren't that bad.

28mm:

TOKINA AT-X 17 AF PRO f/3.5 Lens EOS $399 28mm equiv
SIGMA AF 15mm f2.8 EX Diagonal fisheye Lens EOS $399 24mm equiv
(when de-fished)
SIGMA AF 20mm f/1.8 EX DG Aspherical RF Lens EOS $360 32mm equiv
CANON EF 20mm f/2.8 USM Lens $420 32mm equiv

200mm:

SIGMA AF105mm f2.8 EX Macro 1:1 Lens EOS $360 168mm equiv
CANON EF 100mm f/2 USM Lens $380 160mm equiv
CANON EF 135mm f/2.8 with Softfocus Lens $280 216mm equiv

All of these are good lenses, and would serve well with almost any
body you could think to get. The equivalent focal lengths are for
the 10D/D30/D60.

If you were actually thinking zoom, you have a couple of good
options there, too. However, I would suggest giving up the 28mm
wide end, as that's the tougher one to do. If you really want that,
about your only options are:

TOKINA AF 19-35mm 3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens EOS $180
plus
CANON EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Zoom Lens $600

for 30-320mm with a gap (that is surprisingly not that big of a
gap) and great quality on the long end, acceptable on the short end.

Or sacrifice the 200mm and get the

CANON EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Zoom Lens $800

for 28mm-64mm, or maybe

CANON EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Zoom Lens $400

for 45-216mm.

Any of these should be a good option, something you won't
immediately want to dump upon getting another lens. It's up to you
to decide which way you want to bias things. Only you know what you
shoot.
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NEWK wrote that it would be around $3,000. He is righ-on. I purchased the 10D, a Canon EX550 flash and two IS lenses. Along with lens hoods and UV filters. I have just over $3,400 in my system so far.
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

--
Ray
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Yeap, they'll work.
Raymo1 said:
Would these lenses work on a 10D ?

Ray
Raymo1 said:
I just remembered that my Dad has an older Canon EOS film camera
with some AF lenses, and it's been years since he has used them.
I'm going to call him today to ask for the spec. I could borrow
these until I build up my own "glassware".
What do I need to ask him, I assume all Canon EOS mounts are the
same, and that the Auto Focus will work, I was thinking of a 10D
back.

Regards,

Ray.
Keith Jewell said:
Do you really mean 28 and 200mm as just two seperate primes? If so,
your options aren't that bad.

28mm:

TOKINA AT-X 17 AF PRO f/3.5 Lens EOS $399 28mm equiv
SIGMA AF 15mm f2.8 EX Diagonal fisheye Lens EOS $399 24mm equiv
(when de-fished)
SIGMA AF 20mm f/1.8 EX DG Aspherical RF Lens EOS $360 32mm equiv
CANON EF 20mm f/2.8 USM Lens $420 32mm equiv

200mm:

SIGMA AF105mm f2.8 EX Macro 1:1 Lens EOS $360 168mm equiv
CANON EF 100mm f/2 USM Lens $380 160mm equiv
CANON EF 135mm f/2.8 with Softfocus Lens $280 216mm equiv

All of these are good lenses, and would serve well with almost any
body you could think to get. The equivalent focal lengths are for
the 10D/D30/D60.

If you were actually thinking zoom, you have a couple of good
options there, too. However, I would suggest giving up the 28mm
wide end, as that's the tougher one to do. If you really want that,
about your only options are:

TOKINA AF 19-35mm 3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens EOS $180
plus
CANON EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Zoom Lens $600

for 30-320mm with a gap (that is surprisingly not that big of a
gap) and great quality on the long end, acceptable on the short end.

Or sacrifice the 200mm and get the

CANON EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Zoom Lens $800

for 28mm-64mm, or maybe

CANON EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Zoom Lens $400

for 45-216mm.

Any of these should be a good option, something you won't
immediately want to dump upon getting another lens. It's up to you
to decide which way you want to bias things. Only you know what you
shoot.
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I expect the 10D in Singapore to be about $1200-$1300, I have requested a quote from some of the better known outlets there and if I can use the lenses below then I'm of to a good start.

So can anyone confirm that I can use these lenses from an old Canon EOS-10 film camera that my father has:

Canon EF 75-300mm f1.4-5.6
Canon EF 35-80mm f1.4-5.6
These are not USM so what can I expect, will they be slow to focus ?

Regards,
Ray
Marjac said:
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

--
Ray
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Raymo1 said:
I just got off the phone, he has a Canon EOS 10 film back.
The lenses are a Canon EF 75-300mm f1.4-5.6 and an EF 35-80mm f1.4-5.6

Would these lenses work on a 10D ?
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Should do.

The only problem is a gap at the short end, the 35mm comes out at 56mm. I'd suggest the Tokina (or the Tamron) wide angle zoom, quality is OK and worth their money. Save the rest of your lens money and get the the 550EX flash over the 420, it is worth it (I have both). Compact Flash cards, look for web bargains, either 256 or 512, with the former being the easier deal right now.
Get a spare battery!
So:
EOS 10D Body = 1500
55EX Flash = 330
Spare Battery = 50
Tokina 19-35 Zoom = 190

Pick up the CF Card(s), AA batteries and charger locally.

Richard
 
Those are both inexpensive lenses so don't expect stellar results from them, but they'll certainly work. Non-usm lenses, especially slow lenses like those, will focus slower, and they'll be a little noisy. In other words, you'll probably want to eventually upgrade those lenses. They should be fine for prints up to 5x7 or 8x10 though.
Raymo1 said:
So can anyone confirm that I can use these lenses from an old Canon
EOS-10 film camera that my father has:

Canon EF 75-300mm f1.4-5.6
Canon EF 35-80mm f1.4-5.6
These are not USM so what can I expect, will they be slow to focus ?

Regards,
Ray
Marjac said:
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

--
Ray
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Raymo1 said:
So can anyone confirm that I can use these lenses from an old Canon
EOS-10 film camera that my father has:

Canon EF 75-300mm f1.4-5.6
Canon EF 35-80mm f1.4-5.6
These are not USM so what can I expect, will they be slow to focus ?

Regards,
Ray
Marjac said:
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

--
Ray
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There may be some compatiblity issues with older EF -mount lenses from third-party manufacturer's like Tokina, but all Canon's should be fine, as should new third party lenses.

Just don't buy any FD mount lenses! ( the old standard, which you sometimes see second-hand)
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DaveMart

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With those lenses, there will be some quality limits. Even stopped down, the 35-80 isn't a great lens. The 75-300 does have some good copies around, and if you use good technique (read: high shutter speeds and/or a tripod) you should be able to get great results from it. I might still suggest that you either get the Canon 50mm/1.8 (which should be less than $90!) or some other short, fast prime (most others are $200-300). You'll love being able to shoot in what feels like near-darkness, and when you have the opportunity to stop down a little, you'll love the sharpness and 'snap' of the image.

-Keith
Raymo1 said:
So can anyone confirm that I can use these lenses from an old Canon
EOS-10 film camera that my father has:

Canon EF 75-300mm f1.4-5.6
Canon EF 35-80mm f1.4-5.6
These are not USM so what can I expect, will they be slow to focus ?

Regards,
Ray
Marjac said:
Raymo1 said:
Instead of pottering around with prosumers, watching the prices
fall like a stone and having little or no re-sale value, I am
seriously considering making the jump into D-SLR world. At least
the lenses will keep some market value even if the backs drop in
price. Not to mention the improvement in image quality.

So how many $$ would I need to budget to get started, you know..
the average sort of stuff nothing too exciting, just two lenses
(28mm and a 200mm equivalant) not super clear or bright, just
better than the average prosumer.

Would $2k get me there prchasing new in Singapore ?

Apriciate any constructive feedback.

PS, would this be a bad time to jump, are we on the brink of change
to DSLR lenses and backs any month soon ?

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Those lenses aren't f/1.4-5.6. There are no f/1.4 zooms. That's prime lens territory. Most likely, you're talking about the EF 75-300/4-5.6 (from 1991) and the EF 35-80/4-5.6 (from 1990). Both are non-USM and both are very inexpensive lenses.

EF 35-80/4-5.6
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/f_lens.html

EF 75-300/4-5.6
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/f_lens.html

They'll both work fine with the 10D.
Raymo1 said:
Would these lenses work on a 10D ?

Ray
Raymo1 said:
I just remembered that my Dad has an older Canon EOS film camera
with some AF lenses, and it's been years since he has used them.
I'm going to call him today to ask for the spec. I could borrow
these until I build up my own "glassware".
What do I need to ask him, I assume all Canon EOS mounts are the
same, and that the Auto Focus will work, I was thinking of a 10D
back.

Regards,

Ray.
Keith Jewell said:
Do you really mean 28 and 200mm as just two seperate primes? If so,
your options aren't that bad.

28mm:

TOKINA AT-X 17 AF PRO f/3.5 Lens EOS $399 28mm equiv
SIGMA AF 15mm f2.8 EX Diagonal fisheye Lens EOS $399 24mm equiv
(when de-fished)
SIGMA AF 20mm f/1.8 EX DG Aspherical RF Lens EOS $360 32mm equiv
CANON EF 20mm f/2.8 USM Lens $420 32mm equiv

200mm:

SIGMA AF105mm f2.8 EX Macro 1:1 Lens EOS $360 168mm equiv
CANON EF 100mm f/2 USM Lens $380 160mm equiv
CANON EF 135mm f/2.8 with Softfocus Lens $280 216mm equiv

All of these are good lenses, and would serve well with almost any
body you could think to get. The equivalent focal lengths are for
the 10D/D30/D60.

If you were actually thinking zoom, you have a couple of good
options there, too. However, I would suggest giving up the 28mm
wide end, as that's the tougher one to do. If you really want that,
about your only options are:

TOKINA AF 19-35mm 3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens EOS $180
plus
CANON EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Zoom Lens $600

for 30-320mm with a gap (that is surprisingly not that big of a
gap) and great quality on the long end, acceptable on the short end.

Or sacrifice the 200mm and get the

CANON EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Zoom Lens $800

for 28mm-64mm, or maybe

CANON EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Zoom Lens $400

for 45-216mm.

Any of these should be a good option, something you won't
immediately want to dump upon getting another lens. It's up to you
to decide which way you want to bias things. Only you know what you
shoot.
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Peter Phan said:
Those lenses aren't f/1.4-5.6. There are no f/1.4 zooms. That's
prime lens territory. Most likely, you're talking about the EF
75-300/4-5.6 (from 1991) and the EF 35-80/4-5.6 (from 1990). Both
are non-USM and both are very inexpensive lenses.

EF 35-80/4-5.6
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/f_lens.html

EF 75-300/4-5.6
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/f_lens.html

They'll both work fine with the 10D.
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Peter...I believe it was a typo. It should have been a semi-colon instead of a period (f/1:4-5.6) which is the technically correct f-stop designation.

Jack
 
I guess my father's did'nt have his glasses on while reading the print on the lenses, he must have read the / as a 1 and then I asumed it to be f1.4.

It did have a strange feeling that f1.4 was a bit too bright for these old lenses.

Thanks for the clarfication.
Peter Phan said:
EF 35-80/4-5.6
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/f_lens.html

EF 75-300/4-5.6
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/f_lens.html

They'll both work fine with the 10D.
Raymo1 said:
Would these lenses work on a 10D ?

Ray
Raymo1 said:
I just remembered that my Dad has an older Canon EOS film camera
with some AF lenses, and it's been years since he has used them.
I'm going to call him today to ask for the spec. I could borrow
these until I build up my own "glassware".
What do I need to ask him, I assume all Canon EOS mounts are the
same, and that the Auto Focus will work, I was thinking of a 10D
back.

Regards,

Ray.
Keith Jewell said:
Do you really mean 28 and 200mm as just two seperate primes? If so,
your options aren't that bad.

28mm:

TOKINA AT-X 17 AF PRO f/3.5 Lens EOS $399 28mm equiv
SIGMA AF 15mm f2.8 EX Diagonal fisheye Lens EOS $399 24mm equiv
(when de-fished)
SIGMA AF 20mm f/1.8 EX DG Aspherical RF Lens EOS $360 32mm equiv
CANON EF 20mm f/2.8 USM Lens $420 32mm equiv

200mm:

SIGMA AF105mm f2.8 EX Macro 1:1 Lens EOS $360 168mm equiv
CANON EF 100mm f/2 USM Lens $380 160mm equiv
CANON EF 135mm f/2.8 with Softfocus Lens $280 216mm equiv

All of these are good lenses, and would serve well with almost any
body you could think to get. The equivalent focal lengths are for
the 10D/D30/D60.

If you were actually thinking zoom, you have a couple of good
options there, too. However, I would suggest giving up the 28mm
wide end, as that's the tougher one to do. If you really want that,
about your only options are:

TOKINA AF 19-35mm 3.5-4.5 Zoom Lens EOS $180
plus
CANON EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM Zoom Lens $600

for 30-320mm with a gap (that is surprisingly not that big of a
gap) and great quality on the long end, acceptable on the short end.

Or sacrifice the 200mm and get the

CANON EF 17-40mm f/4L USM Zoom Lens $800

for 28mm-64mm, or maybe

CANON EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Zoom Lens $400

for 45-216mm.

Any of these should be a good option, something you won't
immediately want to dump upon getting another lens. It's up to you
to decide which way you want to bias things. Only you know what you
shoot.
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