Sometimes I did wonder, not about dpreview in particular, but just that almost anyone when listing off mirrorless camera makers would leave off Samsung. NX1 seems to have broken that up a bit though.
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Wow!! Why is it taking so long for DPREVIEW to release the final verdict on the NX 1
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Ehh? My impression is that the 7DII would be choice numero uno for many a birder. Maybe it depends what you mean by "pro." Depending on what kind of shooting you need to do. I suppose that there aren't that many paid gigs in birding and wildlife. I think both of these cameras are proper tools. Where Samsung really does lag behind is in professional services. If you need something repaired quickly etc... For instance, here in Qatar there are 0 places that will repair a Samsung lens, plenty that will fix their phones/tablets, but not lenses. There is 1 place in the country with a monopoly deal with Canon, but they were able to give me a 2 day turnaround on my 5D when the mirror came off (fixed for free since there was a recall for this problem, even though that recall was ages ago).
uuhmmm? so what is the "pro" in prosumer word then? certainly it is not say amateur nor it is advanced amateur. it definitely not say wannabe professional and there is no such word.
I think it is even as insult to categorize or stigmatize camera as such. and what does have proper tool mean? and for what? are NX1 and 7D MK2 cannot be used for paid portraits? do they not have flash support? do they not have quality lenses? can they not be used for paid sports photography? can they not be used for landscape and long exposures? can they be not used for studio?
as far as paid work is concerned, as long as camera can perform said task for particular use with a certain good quality level and capability, then that alone should already be considered as professional equipment.
the NX1 for it's credit do seem to stretch further what it could do. 28MP does bring it closer to contemporary medium format quality. means even much better printing capability. it's 4K video quality and codec did make it interesting for a whole variety of videographers for paid use.
truth is "professional equipment" is just another word to set a price bracket for certain products but it does not mean it is worth or cost that much. the NX1 certainly broke that price bracketing and stigma of categorizing equipment in terms of built, design, features, capabilities, picture/video quality, user interface and price. that is why we are seeing some price drops recently of what is considered as professional camera equipments.
poster is right to say NX1 is prosumer though. because it caters professional and ordinary consumers alike. offering quality and performance that is only available on expensive gear at a consumer level price and interface that is also user-friendly and advanced at the same time. the NX1 has already been reviewed by some of the well-known professional photographers and videographers. never did I heard that they said NX1 is not professional enough.
I think it is even as insult to categorize or stigmatize camera as such. and what does have proper tool mean? and for what? are NX1 and 7D MK2 cannot be used for paid portraits? do they not have flash support? do they not have quality lenses? can they not be used for paid sports photography? can they not be used for landscape and long exposures? can they be not used for studio?
as far as paid work is concerned, as long as camera can perform said task for particular use with a certain good quality level and capability, then that alone should already be considered as professional equipment.
the NX1 for it's credit do seem to stretch further what it could do. 28MP does bring it closer to contemporary medium format quality. means even much better printing capability. it's 4K video quality and codec did make it interesting for a whole variety of videographers for paid use.
truth is "professional equipment" is just another word to set a price bracket for certain products but it does not mean it is worth or cost that much. the NX1 certainly broke that price bracketing and stigma of categorizing equipment in terms of built, design, features, capabilities, picture/video quality, user interface and price. that is why we are seeing some price drops recently of what is considered as professional camera equipments.
poster is right to say NX1 is prosumer though. because it caters professional and ordinary consumers alike. offering quality and performance that is only available on expensive gear at a consumer level price and interface that is also user-friendly and advanced at the same time. the NX1 has already been reviewed by some of the well-known professional photographers and videographers. never did I heard that they said NX1 is not professional enough.
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The NX1 may be marketed as a Pro camera but it is not for most pro shooters for many reasons.
Low light shooting on the NX1 in higher ISO setting falls way below 10 year old Nikon cameras that alone would make no pro shooter want to use it as it sucks in low light. Would you want to shoot a event at night or in a dark area with the NX1 Heck no your image would be very poor.
So your a sports shooting do you want to use the NX1 well no they have no zoom lens a sports shoot uses the most and any high iso shooting for any indoor game or night game the NX1 would not be good.
You shoot weddings making your living do you want to shoot with the NX1 well NO it sucks in low light you will be shooting in on just about every job you go on. You can shoot in a dark church at iso 5000 on a old Nikon and get very usable images and then shoot at the reception all night long at ISO 4000. With the NX1 you can not do any of this if you want usable images.
Your a commercial shooter doing in studio and location shooting do you want to use the NX1 well NO. Lack of lens choices and that you are so invested in another brand selling it all and moving to a NX1 and then having poor quality high iso and less lens to pick from why would anyone do this.
Your a In studio portrait shooter do you want to use a NX1 well Maybe but why bother. Yes the large raw images look good but compared to what shoot the same image on the NX1, Canon and Nikon in Studio is the NX1 image any better NO so why would you sell all your Nikon or Canon gear to use a NX1 with less lens and accessorizes to use.
Your a new beginning shooter and like all the marketing on the NX1 as being a pro camera would you buy it and start out with Samsung well Yes maybe if you did not do a lot of re search to see that other brands will provide you better low light shooting and offer you more lens to pick and more.
You want to shoot at a high frame rates shooting photos of your dogs running would you buy a NX1 YES why not you are not shooting for money and having fun.
You want to shoot 4K video will you buy the NX1 well YES .. It offers some of the best features of any 4K camera and outstanding image quality for video.
I use my NX1 for Video for photos i still shoot with my Nikon cameras the NX1 is no comparison yet. But they are on the right path but if they stay on the video path they could rise to the top a lot faster for video users.
Low light shooting on the NX1 in higher ISO setting falls way below 10 year old Nikon cameras that alone would make no pro shooter want to use it as it sucks in low light. Would you want to shoot a event at night or in a dark area with the NX1 Heck no your image would be very poor.
So your a sports shooting do you want to use the NX1 well no they have no zoom lens a sports shoot uses the most and any high iso shooting for any indoor game or night game the NX1 would not be good.
You shoot weddings making your living do you want to shoot with the NX1 well NO it sucks in low light you will be shooting in on just about every job you go on. You can shoot in a dark church at iso 5000 on a old Nikon and get very usable images and then shoot at the reception all night long at ISO 4000. With the NX1 you can not do any of this if you want usable images.
Your a commercial shooter doing in studio and location shooting do you want to use the NX1 well NO. Lack of lens choices and that you are so invested in another brand selling it all and moving to a NX1 and then having poor quality high iso and less lens to pick from why would anyone do this.
Your a In studio portrait shooter do you want to use a NX1 well Maybe but why bother. Yes the large raw images look good but compared to what shoot the same image on the NX1, Canon and Nikon in Studio is the NX1 image any better NO so why would you sell all your Nikon or Canon gear to use a NX1 with less lens and accessorizes to use.
Your a new beginning shooter and like all the marketing on the NX1 as being a pro camera would you buy it and start out with Samsung well Yes maybe if you did not do a lot of re search to see that other brands will provide you better low light shooting and offer you more lens to pick and more.
You want to shoot at a high frame rates shooting photos of your dogs running would you buy a NX1 YES why not you are not shooting for money and having fun.
You want to shoot 4K video will you buy the NX1 well YES .. It offers some of the best features of any 4K camera and outstanding image quality for video.
I use my NX1 for Video for photos i still shoot with my Nikon cameras the NX1 is no comparison yet. But they are on the right path but if they stay on the video path they could rise to the top a lot faster for video users.
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Could you post a comparison at high iso? From dpr comparometer I don't see more than a stop difference even with the d750 up to 3200 and no more than 1 and half, with upper iso.
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I would think for a camera to be professional the manufacturer has to provide support and accessories to match.
I understood support exists with other makes to give fast equipment turnaround or loan cameras. Has Samsung a special NX support facility or will you be speaking to the guy that also does the fridges, TVs, washing machines, phones etc, etc.?
I understood support exists with other makes to give fast equipment turnaround or loan cameras. Has Samsung a special NX support facility or will you be speaking to the guy that also does the fridges, TVs, washing machines, phones etc, etc.?
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If all you want is lab measurements (I said "if"), reviewed.com has been recording a set of them for their camera reviews for a couple of years. (They were spotty about it before then, stating the numerical results sometimes and not stating them when they didn't feel like it).
In particular, I went looking for dynamic range reports earlier this month. The reviewed.com site has them for the NX1. (Spoiler: the NX300 was better.)
If you want something more thorough if less quantitative, there are NX1 reviews all over the Net.
In particular, I went looking for dynamic range reports earlier this month. The reviewed.com site has them for the NX1. (Spoiler: the NX300 was better.)
If you want something more thorough if less quantitative, there are NX1 reviews all over the Net.
personally I think we are talking about NX1 as a professional gear. although customer support for NX1 would be nice, I think that is a different matter and outside the scope of the equipment's stature but more on the knowledge (not necessarily professional) of the agent. besides, professional photographers and equipment do not have this kind of support 10 years ago.
question is whether NX1 can do the job or not. and let agent do their own job.
as to matter of people tentative on using NX camera, that has nothing to do with competence of camera equipment but rather stigma of the brand. just think about if rubbermaid make a camera, I do not think people would immediately jump on it considering what company rubbermaid is.
my opinion however has nothing to do with competence of NX1 as a professional equipment but rather my comment regarding knowledge of Samsung employees with the product that their company sells. there isn't real support coming from Samsung employees and you would most likely waste your time. honestly, you can get more help from actual camera store staff.
as far as accessories, what else is missing?
question is whether NX1 can do the job or not. and let agent do their own job.
as to matter of people tentative on using NX camera, that has nothing to do with competence of camera equipment but rather stigma of the brand. just think about if rubbermaid make a camera, I do not think people would immediately jump on it considering what company rubbermaid is.
my opinion however has nothing to do with competence of NX1 as a professional equipment but rather my comment regarding knowledge of Samsung employees with the product that their company sells. there isn't real support coming from Samsung employees and you would most likely waste your time. honestly, you can get more help from actual camera store staff.
as far as accessories, what else is missing?
Personally I would have to go check that out if only for the novelties sake. I'm open to the possibility that it would actually be good though, most other people wouldn't be.
Absolutely... now to find an actual camera store. Here in Qatar every camera seems to be sold via box store/electronics store, or in the case of Canon, a store that is more like a department store, like a Macy's or Hudson's kind of thing. They have a few staff specializing in the cameras they sell, but there's no way they're going to fix something from a different brand. Actually, maybe not even that. I think they do Canon and Nikon. They sell a few Pentaxes but told me they don't have the same kind of relationship with Pentax, so you might be out of luck for for a Pentax repair in the country.
Not too much, at least nothing really that people expect to be made by 1st parties is coming to mind.
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A speed booster and an intelligent adapter for canon lenses would help ppl willing to move away from Canon.
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It is a plot. Against Samsung. And you. Wonder why things are out of order in your sock drawer? DPR.
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Double check their FAQ for me, but I think Metabones said they couldn't do it for NX for technical reasons even if they wanted to. I'm not sure what their reason is though.
Sign me up to the waiting list. ^_^
It certainly would.
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The problem with Samsung NX is that the sensor is buried in a deep "canyon" of mechanical parts associated with the shutter and other things. This severely restricts the room available for Speed Booster optics. Although it might be possible to design some sort of focal reducer for the NX, I don't feel that it is possible to maintain the high image quality standards that I want for my products. I will keep re-visiting this issue in case Samsung decides to improve their mechanical design.
actually NX have a lot of room for Speed Booster to operate. way more room that it become more problematic for it to gain enough light for corner performance. there is no mechanical parts that prevent it to perform as it should. but Speed Booster has to go deep which very much already affect light gathering capacity of it. flange distance could really pose as the main problem since typical Speed Boosters are made for shorter flange.
I do not think it is impossible but could be a lot of work with optic formula for reduction or different construction. still I see problem because it needs to coincide with NX lenses. maybe it could perform but at a lesser reduction value, possibly only 0.85x which is not a lot of difference for most people and uses. point being is that there could be a lot of compromise which make speed booster impractical.
I do not think it is impossible but could be a lot of work with optic formula for reduction or different construction. still I see problem because it needs to coincide with NX lenses. maybe it could perform but at a lesser reduction value, possibly only 0.85x which is not a lot of difference for most people and uses. point being is that there could be a lot of compromise which make speed booster impractical.
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