Not a review, but some strong words: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8416562015/opinion-canon-eos-m3-mirrorless
And the gross fingernails are back too. Yuck.
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o_23
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Why everybody think that main advantage of mirrorless is compact size? They want "system" with compact body and compact lenses.
Why not also make big mirrorless cameras? With huge screen, huge battery, built-in EVF, Full Frame sensor, etc. I'd have 2 mirrorless cameras, small and big.
I like touch screen, quick selection of focus point, ability to focus on any part of screen, precision of CDAF. Would be great to have all these on big camera.
Why not also make big mirrorless cameras? With huge screen, huge battery, built-in EVF, Full Frame sensor, etc. I'd have 2 mirrorless cameras, small and big.
I like touch screen, quick selection of focus point, ability to focus on any part of screen, precision of CDAF. Would be great to have all these on big camera.
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But there are! The Panasonic GH series is not small, it is quite large. The OM-D1 form Olympus is not small, the Fuji X-T1 is more a DSLR then a small cmaera and Look at Sony, the A7 range is not small at all, it has even a FF sensor.
Strange thing is that small is selling in a large part of the world. Some cameras are sold as second camera to the DSLRs others are sold as first camera up from P&S. Wen Canon and Nikon start to take mirrorless realy serious, they may find that the new market is taken by the other brands...
HaroldC3
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They take the time to do an opinion piece but will they do a review when the time comes?
(Where's the Pentax K3 review?!
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(Where's the Pentax K3 review?!
)PhotoKhan
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...one very important analysis vector.
Hammering the concept that Canon's M subsystem is a reduced sub-performing platform just because it has turned into "popular-mythical-truth", while ignoring the full (...and most probably intentional...) reasons why it might be so, is very poor journalism.
No, not a very good piece, if you ask me...
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Hammering the concept that Canon's M subsystem is a reduced sub-performing platform just because it has turned into "popular-mythical-truth", while ignoring the full (...and most probably intentional...) reasons why it might be so, is very poor journalism.
No, not a very good piece, if you ask me...
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everything that Damien Demolder said there is true, and his wording is quite mild in comparison to what pretty many a bit more advanced photoghs - waiting rather endlessly for a decent MILC offer from Canon, which is NOT catering to a lowest performance rung - are thinking among themselves
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Jeff Peterman
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But if you lose the benefit of size, why go mirrorless and lose the advantage of dedicated phase detection (PD) focusing? PD is still the fastest focusing system - the hybrid systems, with PD sensors on the chip, may come close but certainly can't match the performance of the dedicated sensors.
You can have a touch screen with focus point selection by touch on a DSLR - I have this on my SL1 and I'm pretty sure that the higher-end Canon 70D has this too.
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as an old rangefinder user i would jump on a modern digital canon p!
o_23
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I would agree with you if I only used central point AF. But outer points are not as precise and depend on particular copy of lens. One lens can be fine, the other not so. Or left outer point can be fine but right outer point will be back/front focusing.
Also outer points are too close to center.
What I love about M is that CDAF is absolutely precise on any part of screen. Even with most challenging lens like 50L wide open at 1.2.
If we can have both PDAF and CDAF in one camera, it would be the best for sure.
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o_23
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Canon is right and Damien Demolder is not. It doesn't make sense for Canon to create dedicated fast primes for APS-C cameras. Full frame cameras are getting cheaper every day. 6D is already just above $1,000. Mirrorless camera with 6D sensor would be around $800 and less pretty soon. There will be only cellphone cameras and FF cameras and nothing much in the middle.
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Jeff Peterman
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You can. That combination exists on the 70D and to a lesser extent on the SL1 and the 7DMKII. (The SLI Liveview focusing is not as good as on the 70D and the 7DMKII, but has touch screen focusing selection, the 7DMII lacks a touch screen and requires that the Liveview focus point is moved with a joystick.)
Jeff Peterman
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I have to strongly disagree. Many of us want MUCH better image quality than you can get from the tiny sensor in a phone, and a much great focal length range than you can get in a phone. For that reason, while I have a phone with a "decent" camera (a Note 3), I carry a Canon S110 camera in my pocket most of the time (it is there right now), and travel with an SL1 and a pair of EFS STM lenses. I also have a 7D and I'm setting the money aside to get either 7D MKII, 6D, or a 6D MKII (if one comes out at the right time).
o_23
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Yep. Canon is almost there. They are getting closer and closer. Full frame M would be perfect.
o_23
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Try Note 4.
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that commentary was really weak on a lot of things; firstly the camera market itself.
Why would canon create fast lenses like Fuji when Fuji is languishing with the worst marketshare of any MILC company? it hasn't been a model of success for Fuji. In japan where the yen is falling - does it make sense to produce expensive glass for a market that is overall focused on cheap? and small?
The aujthor ignores that the EF-M that canon has selectively created cover from 18mm to 300mm and are good, cheap and light. no mention of qualities of the lenses, so I suspect he never used them. just the fact that they are "slow" .. so? show me outside of m43's where you can get an 17mm to 35mm for $399. show me anyone that has a telezoom as portable as the 55-200mm that is APS-C or larger imaging circle.
Canon doesn't need to create a whole bunch of primes that hardly anyone in the overall consumer market doesn't use - most rebel users probably stick with the kit lens and get another zoom. They do need to get the body and the lenses right, and continue to add to them in a more timely manner (3 bodies in three years is probably good enough, however 1 lens a year most certainly is not)
canon stating the body is for enthusiasts doesn't necessarily mean it expects enthusiasts to purchase it - but to identify to what they are targeting that it's a more upscale camera body.
how canon is taking it seriously is by offering some really right now crazy deals in Japan - they are most certainly taking it seriously and going after marketshare.
for marketshare it doesn't matter if you are the best, have lenses that basically no one buys, it matters if you have a solid platform, a name and a product that fits the market you are selling to.
is canon serious about reaching out to the little vocal marketshare of enthusiasts? no. do they care to? probably not. it's too expensive of an market for very little gain.
it is amusing to hear people state that they are protecting their DLSR market. really? the vast majority of sales are rebels - they have basically mirrored the rebel ecosystem. they bundle and sell the rebels with EF-S STM optics, smaller, less features and performance than the prosumer cameras and above. they aggressively drop the price on older models and still release cameras in that segment at a high frequency. lenses (EF-S STM) come out rarely and sporadically.
Why would canon create fast lenses like Fuji when Fuji is languishing with the worst marketshare of any MILC company? it hasn't been a model of success for Fuji. In japan where the yen is falling - does it make sense to produce expensive glass for a market that is overall focused on cheap? and small?
The aujthor ignores that the EF-M that canon has selectively created cover from 18mm to 300mm and are good, cheap and light. no mention of qualities of the lenses, so I suspect he never used them. just the fact that they are "slow" .. so? show me outside of m43's where you can get an 17mm to 35mm for $399. show me anyone that has a telezoom as portable as the 55-200mm that is APS-C or larger imaging circle.
Canon doesn't need to create a whole bunch of primes that hardly anyone in the overall consumer market doesn't use - most rebel users probably stick with the kit lens and get another zoom. They do need to get the body and the lenses right, and continue to add to them in a more timely manner (3 bodies in three years is probably good enough, however 1 lens a year most certainly is not)
canon stating the body is for enthusiasts doesn't necessarily mean it expects enthusiasts to purchase it - but to identify to what they are targeting that it's a more upscale camera body.
how canon is taking it seriously is by offering some really right now crazy deals in Japan - they are most certainly taking it seriously and going after marketshare.
for marketshare it doesn't matter if you are the best, have lenses that basically no one buys, it matters if you have a solid platform, a name and a product that fits the market you are selling to.
is canon serious about reaching out to the little vocal marketshare of enthusiasts? no. do they care to? probably not. it's too expensive of an market for very little gain.
it is amusing to hear people state that they are protecting their DLSR market. really? the vast majority of sales are rebels - they have basically mirrored the rebel ecosystem. they bundle and sell the rebels with EF-S STM optics, smaller, less features and performance than the prosumer cameras and above. they aggressively drop the price on older models and still release cameras in that segment at a high frequency. lenses (EF-S STM) come out rarely and sporadically.
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Can you try it again at night time?
o_23
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I am not saying that they are equal. But will try tonight anyways.
Jonathan Brady
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Were these shots with an equivalent depth of field in mind?
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