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alexisgreat · Nov 23, 2014

I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way. All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot. The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft. This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

And to whomever made the comment about passenger aircraft.....lol what? I was specifically referring to unmanned aircraft that present both a safety AND privacy concern..... you were exaggerating wildly and that puts you in the same boat as the OP- and trust me that's not where you want to be. If you were marooned on a distant island and the only way off would be to get on a boat with the OP- I still dont think it would be a good idea to be on that boat- he might throw you overboard to save food supplies.....or worse (use your own imagination.)

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nzmacro · Nov 24, 2014

I'm just hoping a few of them fly over some of the areas here in duck shooting season. Saves them scaring off the birds at the estuary I like to take photos at. In fact, I might apply for a shot gun license here.

Danny.

Dareshooter · Nov 24, 2014

That discussion was allowed to go on for far too long as it was and in the main ended up as an argument between two posters who were determined to get the last word.

Corkcampbell · Nov 24, 2014

Coincidentally, the WSJ has a story about the upcoming regulations on commercial drones on the front page right now. They regs don't seem to address recreational use of drones, but do include the smallest, cheapest drones such as might be used by a local real estate agency to give previews of neighborhoods.

Corkcampbell · Nov 24, 2014

Sorry; I got involved in something else mid-post and didn't see your recommendation that we not pursue this until I posted mine. I stopped reading the original thread after I posted my drone history joke yesterday, I think, because I think that the OP of that thread is...well...you can imagine. Didn't know it had become a conflict.

Dareshooter · Nov 24, 2014

Apology not necessary buddy.

alexisgreat · Nov 24, 2014

I actually didn't see that later conflict, but made the new thread because of what I heard on the 11 oclock news about the new drone legislation being put through Congress by Senator Schumer. I'm actually pretty happy with what Congress is doing right now- this and the bipartisan support for a more open CIA (they are getting it for trying to destroy thousands of possibly incriminating emails- institutional crime family that they are.)

alexisgreat · Nov 24, 2014

Yeah, I heard this on the news tonight, it's why I made the thread lol. WSJ is doing a nice job, between this and the cell phone gov't snooping story they broke last week.

Dareshooter · Nov 24, 2014

Thanks Alex very decent of you but again an apology isn't necessary. Lets just hope this doesn't degenerate into another clash of the Titans.

MatsP · Nov 24, 2014

alexisgreat said:
I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way. All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot. The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft. This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

And to whomever made the comment about passenger aircraft.....lol what? I was specifically referring to unmanned aircraft that present both a safety AND privacy concern..... you were exaggerating wildly and that puts you in the same boat as the OP- and trust me that's not where you want to be. If you were marooned on a distant island and the only way off would be to get on a boat with the OP- I still dont think it would be a good idea to be on that boat- he might throw you overboard to save food supplies.....or worse (use your own imagination.)

whvick · Nov 24, 2014

It says something when the topic comes up in a TV script. I saw one show a month or two ago where a 4 rotor helo type drone was carrying C4 to blow up people. Then last week NCIS LA had an episode where a preditor type drone was the problem.

Do we need some sort of control over drone in public areas...YES. What type? That is for the legislators to decide, and heaven help the police to control it.

Is that Amazon drone really delivering books???

Tune in next week

whv

ZX11 · Nov 24, 2014

alexisgreat said:
I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way. All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot. The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft. This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

My understanding is that only rich people and airlines can fly in America. Or at least they have the rights to all airspace over my head. Even 200 feet over my property. Heaven forbid, I am flying a kite, RC plane, rC helicopter, or quadcopter, and enjoying the day. Some speed freak has to have the right to race by in a 200mph turbo prop, right over my house. It is not like my drone ran him down and collided with him. If they can't see what is in front of them (because they are so fast), then they should be restricted to established airways at 20,000 feet.

I can't do 150mph with my motorcycle through a neighborhood, collide with a bicyclist crossing the street, and then complain about the kid staying out of my flightpath.

If they need miles around an airport so they can drag it in rather than use a steep approach, then they better spring loose some of their extra cash to station observers to check if the airspace is clear of civilian toys. But yeah, it is wishful thinking. They own the air so it is cheaper to tell hobbyists and kids that flying is off limits for them. After all, they are just stupid peasants that can't afford $10,000 in pilot training and a $750,000 cessna.

All full size flights do not require flight plans. The farmer a mile from my house flies his cessna right off his property. I guess he might write down some notes for his wife. He also doesn't fly right down between my barn and over my fence where I fly my RC planes and have some landscaping trees.

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Beachcomber Joe · Nov 24, 2014

alexisgreat said:
alexisgreat wrote

I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Since most threads become repetitious and are way off the OP's topic by about post 15 a shorter cut off point might be in order.

Lee Jay · Nov 24, 2014

alexisgreat said:
Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way.

The law says we can, if we follow the rules (FAA Modernization Act of 2012).

alexisgreat said:
All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot.

That's entirely stupid. How about having every bird do the same thing?

alexisgreat said:
The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft.

And a lot more far-less than close calls with birds.

alexisgreat said:
This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

Oh..if it's on the news, it has to be true.

alexisgreat said:
And to whomever made the comment about passenger aircraft.....lol what? I was specifically referring to unmanned aircraft that present both a safety AND privacy concern.....

Actually, the vast majority present neither one.

The fact of the matter is, R/C aircraft are just about the lowest hazard to air travel there is. Birds are around 10,000 times more dangerous than R/C aircraft, and there's very little you can do about it. And even so, the numbers one, two and three causes of hull losses and fatalities of full-scale aircraft are still human error.

R/C aircraft have been flying uncontrolled in the national airspace for 70 years. Can you guess how many hull losses and fatalities this has caused over that period?

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Lee Jay · Nov 24, 2014

nzmacro said:
I'm just hoping a few of them fly over some of the areas here in duck shooting season. Saves them scaring off the birds at the estuary I like to take photos at. In fact, I might apply for a shot gun license here.

Danny.

Would you be okay with people that don't like pictures being taken to shoot your camera equipment?

Lee Jay · Nov 24, 2014

ZX11 said:
alexisgreat said:

I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way. All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot. The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft. This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

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My understanding is that only rich people and airlines can fly in America. Or at least they have the rights to all airspace over my head. Even 200 feet over my property. Heaven forbid, I am flying a kite, RC plane, rC helicopter, or quadcopter, and enjoying the day. Some speed freak has to have the right to race by in a 200mph turbo prop, right over my house.

Nope. That is not allowed.

"At least 1,000 feet above highest obstacle within 2,000 feet of the aircraft"

ZX11 said:
If they need miles around an airport so they can drag it in rather than use a steep approach, then they better spring loose some of their extra cash to station observers to check if the airspace is clear of civilian toys.

In general, R/C aircraft are supposed to be under 400 feet AGL. In general, full-scale aircraft are over 400 feet AGL until within a mile and a half of the airport. The five mile rule is stupid.

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Lee Jay · Nov 24, 2014

whvick said:
Do we need some sort of control over drone in public areas...YES.

Why? What's wrong with the rules that have worked for the last 70 years?

ZX11 · Nov 24, 2014

Lee Jay said:
ZX11 said:

alexisgreat said:

I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way. All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot. The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft. This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

Click to expand...

My understanding is that only rich people and airlines can fly in America. Or at least they have the rights to all airspace over my head. Even 200 feet over my property. Heaven forbid, I am flying a kite, RC plane, rC helicopter, or quadcopter, and enjoying the day. Some speed freak has to have the right to race by in a 200mph turbo prop, right over my house.

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Nope. That is not allowed.

"At least 1,000 feet above highest obstacle within 2,000 feet of the aircraft"

So then there is no "drone" problem where the drone is a RC aircraft. I feel fine flying around my house with my model cub and mini Pulse XT. I could have put cameras on my RC helicopter but airborne photography is so overdone.

A real drone would be capable of autonomous flight such as the Global Hawk. One where I could program the flight before hand. I could launch it, go have lunch, then just wait for it to return from the remote location it was sent to. A real drone wouldn't have to retain line of sight to a pilot to keep from crashing. I can see licensing something that can blindly wander the sky without a pilot. But now people insist on calling RC models, "drones".

CharlesB58 · Nov 24, 2014

alexisgreat said:
I really hate it when a thread reaches its limit during the middle of an active discussion, cant this site somehow just automatically create a new thread to continue where the old one left off?

Anyway, I dont think just anyone being able to fly a drone is a "constitutional right" and it looks like we might have some steep legislation on the way. All drone users will have to register and file "flight plans" just like any pilot. The reason being at our airports there have been a lot of cases of "close calls" where a collision almost occurred between a drone and a passenger aircraft. This was on the news tonight but of course the other thread was full so I could not put it there.

And to whomever made the comment about passenger aircraft.....lol what? I was specifically referring to unmanned aircraft that present both a safety AND privacy concern..... you were exaggerating wildly and that puts you in the same boat as the OP- and trust me that's not where you want to be. If you were marooned on a distant island and the only way off would be to get on a boat with the OP- I still dont think it would be a good idea to be on that boat- he might throw you overboard to save food supplies.....or worse (use your own imagination.)

Lee Jay · Nov 24, 2014

CharlesB58 said:
I would wager that courts will rule that flying a drone over someone's house is considered "exceptional effort".

So, flying an R/C aircraft and taking an overview picture of an area, inadvertently capturing an individual is an "exceptional effort", but flying a full-scale helicopter and doing the same thing is not?

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