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It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions, where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature. Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.

So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic quality.

If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they would outsell Canon easily.
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baruth
 
I work with almost all Canon shooters. All of them have camera problems. I hear all sorts of problems, like their flash cord sucks, the camera won't focus, their flash isn't working right , etc., etc. I have no problem paying for Nikon gear. I rarely hear any wear issues with Nikons. They're built to last. It's because of this that I'm glad I didn't invest in Canon. Thank goodness.

To be honest though, the VR feature is useful and this is one aspect where I think Nikon should really be pushing in their lens line and AFS where it's needed.
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
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baruth
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I am not buying a camera based on it's selling price neither on it's popularity, they are not clothes to me ...

I buy watherver suits my needs and from experience and feedbacks.

To me, they all go in the same bag:

Over the years (last 15 years) I have bought 73 Nikon cameras and accessories, I had 0 problems what so ever with any of them ...

Over the years (last 14 years) I have bought 21 Canon pieces of equipment including Camcorders, 35mm camera, digicams, printers, calculators, 7 of them failed to be trouble free for the waranty period, 4 of them are not even in working conditions (and not from abuses). I call that experience. I had to fight the Canon's head office at least 5 times to get service and I don't think that any products made by a compagny should last less than 3 times the period of waranty if correctly operated. Out of the 7 Items that failed to work properly, 3 of them were 35mm camera equipment (pro level quality EOS 1, 16-35, 70-200 IS 2.8)

This is the reason why I will never buy another piece of Canon equipment in my life. To say, I almost ran and bought a S-900 printer a few weeks back, luckily, I got my senses back ...
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
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baruth
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Yves P.
 
i agree. i've had my 70-200mm VR for less than a week, and i'm already thinking about getting the 24-120mm VR just for the VR. makes me think about trying out some canon stuff to check out the IS lenses.

i'm an amateur and hate using a tripod or monopod because of the restricted movement and the problem of having to lug one around. any help with steadying my caffeine-infected hands is greatly appreciated.

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Jonathan F. said:
baruth said:
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
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My friend F100(can not be turn off & auto off) and D100(not responding at all from time to time) both have problem with in warranty period. My EOS1v has one of the CF not working from I bought it. it really depend on luck, but selling statistic really show how popular a band is.
 
If Merc just lowered their prices they would sell more than Toyota..!!! :-)
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John W
No equipment worth talking about....!!!
 
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon...
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, d@mned lies, and statistics.
Benjamin Disraeli

Show me the numbers.

Were the Canon's compared to the combined numbers of Nikon, Fuji and Kodak cameras that accept Nikon lenses?

Also, I have Nikon's dating back to my F2 that still work great. Could it be that Canon's just break and need to be replaced more often?

Inquiring minds need to know.
 
I really don't know what it is with the Canon advocacy crowd. They have this superiority complex over nikon gear and I'm stuffed if I know why.

2 examples from the past couple of days ;

1) My crazy thread with Ger Bee where he says that all nikon af-s tele's have a "pause" and other focussing difficulties. When I tell him that my gear doesn't exhibit this, I never get a clear reply, he then rants about how nikon will never be as good as Canon.

2) On the weekend one of my wifes (male) friends came over and saw my nikon gear and immediately started a debate about how canon was so superior due to technological innovation and all this other nonsense. He tried to tell me that because Canon have been doing USM for so long that Nikon gear will never be as fast as Canon gear in terms of AF speed and tracking etc. - I told him to bring over his canon gear and I'll compare it to my D1h and 70-200, he'll be in for a rude shock, that combo is crazy fast.

With the IS/VR thing - I actually like VR, very much. I got some great handheld panning photos with the 70-200mm using VR with slow shutter speeds, without the VR I'd be using a monopod for that, being handheld gives you a heck of a lot more freedom for movement, I loved it. So much so that even though I don't think the 24-120VR is stunning optically, I'm probably going to get it as I think it could come in use for my photos where I hang out of a car to take a photo of another car, I think the VR would be very handy there.

When Nikon eventually put VR in their long tele's, I'll be buying the 500mm as much as it'll hurt the pocket.

A guy I know has a 10D, the images are nice - very noise free, but handling the camera is just plain awful, the ergonomics of it are just horrible compared to the D100. To me, the nikon gear just feels "right", especially the D1h.
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
--
baruth
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Well... the only piece of Canon equipment I own is my printer. I have the 820 and so far it's been fine.

Would I own any of their camera equipment... Nope...hadn't even crossed my mind.

Nikon is the only way to go as far as I'm concerned.

Julio

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Yves P. said:
I buy watherver suits my needs and from experience and feedbacks.

To me, they all go in the same bag:

Over the years (last 15 years) I have bought 73 Nikon cameras and
accessories, I had 0 problems what so ever with any of them ...

Over the years (last 14 years) I have bought 21 Canon pieces of
equipment including Camcorders, 35mm camera, digicams, printers,
calculators, 7 of them failed to be trouble free for the waranty
period, 4 of them are not even in working conditions (and not from
abuses). I call that experience. I had to fight the Canon's head
office at least 5 times to get service and I don't think that any
products made by a compagny should last less than 3 times the
period of waranty if correctly operated. Out of the 7 Items that
failed to work properly, 3 of them were 35mm camera equipment (pro
level quality EOS 1, 16-35, 70-200 IS 2.8)

This is the reason why I will never buy another piece of Canon
equipment in my life. To say, I almost ran and bought a S-900
printer a few weeks back, luckily, I got my senses back ...
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
--
baruth
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Yves P.
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baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon.
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Put some parameters on that. And known by whom? In the 35mm SLR world, Canon has outsold Nikon for some time (I usually quote 45% 25% as the relative volume, though it has varied up and down with new camera introductions). In the digital SLR world, the most reliable shipment numbers I can find tell me that Canon didn't catch Nikon's unit shipments until this year. And since both Canon and Nikon appear to be production constrained at the moment, I'm guessing that both will stay nearly even in shipments through the end of the year.
baruth said:
There have
been speculations as to why.
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I don't think there's much to speculate on. Canon has been and continues to be better at marketing. They spend more on it, for one thing.
baruth said:
I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper.
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I see. Then why isn't the Sigma SD-9 the best selling DSLR? After all, it costs the least of the current consumer models. While price certainly is a factor, it isn't the biggest factor. Again, when you compare Canon's multi-page, multi-book, multi-market advertising campaigns for their DSLRs with the more limited campaign of Nikon and even more limited campaign of Sigma, awareness is simply higher. On top of that, Canon tends to spiff salespeople more than Nikon does, though I don't know if there are any spiffs in place at the moment for the 10D. Let me put it another way: the first company to advertise a DSLR on television will be Canon.
baruth said:
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
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Very doubtful. And Nikon can barely keep most stores stocked with D100's and D1x's at the current prices, so all they'd do is increase buyer frustration.

Frankly, I don't care whether Canon outsells Nikon or Nikon outsells Canon. What I do care about is that Nikon continue to make image quality progress on each new DSLR they produce while pushing their costs down. I'm ready for my D2x and D200 and maybe even a D2h.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide & Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guides to the Nikon D100, D1, D1h, & D1x and Fujifilm S2
http://www.bythom.com
 
Yeah but that wouldn't mean they were better! At least in Nikons' case they are better then Canon!
John W. said:
If Merc just lowered their prices they would sell more than
Toyota..!!! :-)
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No equipment worth talking about....!!!
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But I'll have a Chimay, thank you very much!
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
--
baruth
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I always think company specialise in doing one think always make better stuff then others richer company selling a lot of stuff.

Derrick
Phil Flash said:
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
--
baruth
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--
Phil Flash
SF, CA USA
'Trust the 'kon!'

Stuff I own in my profile.
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Gavin Cato said:
I really don't know what it is with the Canon advocacy crowd. They
have this superiority complex over nikon gear and I'm stuffed if I
know why.

2 examples from the past couple of days ;

1) My crazy thread with Ger Bee where he says that all nikon af-s
tele's have a "pause" and other focussing difficulties. When I tell
him that my gear doesn't exhibit this, I never get a clear reply,
he then rants about how nikon will never be as good as Canon.

2) On the weekend one of my wifes (male) friends came over and saw
my nikon gear and immediately started a debate about how canon was
so superior due to technological innovation and all this other
nonsense. He tried to tell me that because Canon have been doing
USM for so long that Nikon gear will never be as fast as Canon gear
in terms of AF speed and tracking etc. - I told him to bring over
his canon gear and I'll compare it to my D1h and 70-200, he'll be
in for a rude shock, that combo is crazy fast.

With the IS/VR thing - I actually like VR, very much. I got some
great handheld panning photos with the 70-200mm using VR with slow
shutter speeds, without the VR I'd be using a monopod for that,
being handheld gives you a heck of a lot more freedom for movement,
I loved it. So much so that even though I don't think the 24-120VR
is stunning optically, I'm probably going to get it as I think it
could come in use for my photos where I hang out of a car to take a
photo of another car, I think the VR would be very handy there.

When Nikon eventually put VR in their long tele's, I'll be buying
the 500mm as much as it'll hurt the pocket.

A guy I know has a 10D, the images are nice - very noise free, but
handling the camera is just plain awful, the ergonomics of it are
just horrible compared to the D100. To me, the nikon gear just
feels "right", especially the D1h.
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Ergonomics of the Nikon vs the Canon are one of the major reasons I chose the D100 over the 10D
 
On top of that, Canon tends to spiff salespeople more than
Thom Hogan said:
Nikon does, though I don't know if there are any spiffs in place at
the moment for the 10D.
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Canon generally doesn't give spiffs on their stuff. At least not at Ritz Camera. The usually just rely on their heavy (and effective: Agassi and the Rebel) advertising.
 
I have used EOS1v + 70-200mm USM f2.8 and F5 + 70-200 afs VR f2.8, both are extremely fast, which one is faster? I can't tell, cos I'm not testing them in a same situation. also I barely believe that anyone can spot the speed different between these two combo.

Your Said "With the IS/VR thing - I actually like VR, very much."

This sentence means nothing, just like a canon guy say he likes IS better and he have taken some great shoot with IS lens.

About the D100 and 10D thing, the ergonomics you talking about is also so personal, for me I like 10D over D100. this mean nothing too.

But one thing for sure, the VR you talk about nikon will put in on new tele lens is already done by canon. it is fact.
Gavin Cato said:
2 examples from the past couple of days ;

1) My crazy thread with Ger Bee where he says that all nikon af-s
tele's have a "pause" and other focussing difficulties. When I tell
him that my gear doesn't exhibit this, I never get a clear reply,
he then rants about how nikon will never be as good as Canon.

2) On the weekend one of my wifes (male) friends came over and saw
my nikon gear and immediately started a debate about how canon was
so superior due to technological innovation and all this other
nonsense. He tried to tell me that because Canon have been doing
USM for so long that Nikon gear will never be as fast as Canon gear
in terms of AF speed and tracking etc. - I told him to bring over
his canon gear and I'll compare it to my D1h and 70-200, he'll be
in for a rude shock, that combo is crazy fast.

With the IS/VR thing - I actually like VR, very much. I got some
great handheld panning photos with the 70-200mm using VR with slow
shutter speeds, without the VR I'd be using a monopod for that,
being handheld gives you a heck of a lot more freedom for movement,
I loved it. So much so that even though I don't think the 24-120VR
is stunning optically, I'm probably going to get it as I think it
could come in use for my photos where I hang out of a car to take a
photo of another car, I think the VR would be very handy there.

When Nikon eventually put VR in their long tele's, I'll be buying
the 500mm as much as it'll hurt the pocket.

A guy I know has a 10D, the images are nice - very noise free, but
handling the camera is just plain awful, the ergonomics of it are
just horrible compared to the D100. To me, the nikon gear just
feels "right", especially the D1h.
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
--
baruth
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Yeah, like Apple makes cooler computers, hands down. The new G5 is sweet!
Derrick Siu said:
Derrick
Phil Flash said:
baruth said:
It is known that Canon has been selling more than Nikon. There have
been speculations as to why. After observing on many occasions,
where IS/VR can be used, I never saw any one used this feature.
Asked why not, the answer is always: tripod is better. Asked when
would they use it, the answer is: hardly ever.
So my conclusion is: the reason for this phenomenon of more Canon
than Nikon is this: I have suspected for long time, but now
confirmed: Canon is cheaper. To be objective, I can't blame the
Canonians for being Canonians. For the same amount of money, they
get more. The IS feature may be of very limited used, but it
doesn't hurt. One is hardpressed to find any difference in optic
quality.
If Nikon just lower its price to the same level of Canon, they
would outsell Canon easily.
--
baruth
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--
Phil Flash
SF, CA USA
'Trust the 'kon!'

Stuff I own in my profile.
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