Is the Samsung NX1 competitive with the GH4?

The "but":

- Excectution is essential. How well will it be excecuted. How well do all these individual specs work out? -> await thorough testing.
- Quality Control. I have zero proof, but on the Sammy forum even the few users there have had their fair share of camfailures. What percentage? A reall issue? Worries me a bit though.

- all their very good (if not excellent) lenses, especially the very fast ones are even bigger thantheir DSLR counterparts. is that why I got a mirrorless cam? Just compare the size and weight. I think Fuji got it with going for a f2.8 to f4 kitlens. I think Samsung failed by getting into a 16-50 f2 to f2.8 lens (weighing well over double the 12-35 Panny for instance).
The Samsung 16-50mm F2-2.8 gives the equivalent {same AOV, same DOF, same total light gathering} of a FF 24-75mm F3-4.2 on a FF camera , the Panasonic 12-35 gives the equivalent {same AOV, same DOF, same total light gathering} as a 24-70mm F5.6 FF lens on a FF camera .Assuming you want to compare apples to apples.
f people here want the exact same apple, they shoud buy that. It is clear most people here on this forum want a smaller version of it. Samsung is not addressing that preference, which may be important.
You were the one comparing :-) . I simply pointed out that you were not comparing the same thing to deliver the same equivalent results as the Samsung 16-50mm f/2.2-2.8 on mFT you will need a 12-37.5mm F/1.5-2.1 lens which I imagine would be significantly larger than the 12-35mm F/2.8
When I compare a Samsung with a Panasonic we already know we are not comparing the same thing. SO what is your point? Mine is that this: people go for mirrorless mostly because they lose a substantial amount of weight and size. If not: why on Earth would someone have bougt a G1, EPL1, EM5 etc? These things were only better in two things: being small and may be good live view. The EVFs were poor if existent at all (EPL1). Video was not there and it is still not there on the Oly btw. For Panmny, video has become a USP.
I don't disagree with many of your points :-) but the endless comparisons about size of lenses in other systems with larger sensors that when combined deliver different results sometimes very different results gets old. If you must insist on comparing formats it seems only logical to compare lenses that give the same results { same AOV, same DOF same total light gathered} .
Why does this seem logical to you? There are plenty of other metrics to compare lenses by besides total light gathered. For instance, how about using MTF measures or acutance measures from DxO?

When you do this, it becomes clear just how impressive MFT lenses are when compared to larger sensor systems. In fact, even though MFT lenses have to be sharper due to the fact that they're covering a smaller sensor, you'll find that the resolution per picture height for the micro four thirds system is on par with full frame sensors. The only "deficiency" is that the system and lenses don't gather as much light while resolving all that detail.
Sharpness of lenses is only one part of the equation lens + sensor output is where the rubber hits the road. That is why it is possible to outperform the very best mFT lenses with some very cheap FF options
If that seems unacceptable to you, then, by all means, lug around your gigantic FF or APS system to gather that extra bit of light. But, keep in mind that as sensors become more efficient, the only advantage to this extra light gathering may well be a shallow DoF and not necessarily major improvements in noise.
Do you have a bad back or other impairment?
No, I don't. But I put a premium on size. And I don't feel that the improvements in going up to a larger sensor are at all proportional to the increase in mass. I call it the size to performance ratio, which is tough to quantify, but it's always in the back of my mind when shopping for new gear.

And there are many situations where it simply pays to be more discreet than a large DSLR will allow. Cutting down on mass is not simply a back saver for those with physical issues. I believe that smaller gear just does a better job in many circumstances. Certainly not for landscape work, but certain events forbid you from taking large gear. Also, a street shooter would have a much harder time getting the same shots with a huge DSLR compared to a GM1 with 20mm lens. The DSLR would just attract much more attention. Same with family events, etc. If you're the photographer, you're more likely to get spontaneous, unposed shots using a small camera.

And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance. And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH. And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.

I can carry my FF kit for as long as I wish to, sure it’s nice to use my mFT kit when I want a light set-up [ that and amazing video are the reasons why I have been using Mft for 5yrs } but really unless you are shooting monster telephotos, the typical FF kit is hardly "gigantic". My usual landscape kit consists of my D810, along with my 14-24mm F2.8, the sigma 35mm F1.4, the Nikon 85mm F1.8g and the 105mm VR macro. Weighs in under 4kg, the average kids schoolbag weighs more than that.

There is also the A7r [ A7,A7s] which I recently added ,though I do much prefer the Nikon ,however, the A7r + 35mm f2.8, 55mm F1.8 , Nikon 105macro { plus adapter} and if it works well the new 16-35mm FE lens all add up to 2.3kg , not gigantic nor difficult to carry

I agree about things moving on that is why I am so keen on a better , higher MP mFT sensor we have great lenses to take advanatge of more MP. Though the sensor getting better also applies to smaller than mFT . I think that the 1" sensor in the future holds real potential to deliver some amazing options. Already if you are a low ISO shooter the Sony 1" sensor at base ISO is very competative with mFT.
 
Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.
 
Without a doubt they have potential. But they were the worst of all in figuring out what they need to make. They were here in 2010, sooner than Sony. And then they derailed. Body wise. The lenses are good though optically. But I stand by my point that their choice for large and heavy lenses is a mistake.

Look at their macro lens and compare it to the 60 mm weathersealed Oly macro. It weighs more than twice as much!
Their 85 mm f1.4: big and heavy!

And that is the story of their system. And in this way, they simply have to compete with more than just DSLR APS-cs. It is also competing with the FF Sony mirrorless cams now...
I have my non-educated guess:

Sony bought Minolta, thus SONY did not start from the scratch.

Panasonic paired with Olympus, and got some know-how and something to mock-up for starters.

Samsung had started from the scratch.

Also, I believe that Samsung follows oriental mentality: either very small or very big.
 
Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.

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My G1 is on loan to Panasonic. Every day Panasonic engineers and coders perform animal sacrifices to it.
 
Nothing can beat an mFT camera. This is a universal truth. My G1 is way better than any camera that Samsung will be make.
Do you really own G1? Can you prove it?

And, please, be careful with English grammar

Nothing can stop universal truth preacher.

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My G1 is on loan to Panasonic. Every day Panasonic engineers and coders perform animal sacrifices to it.
I understand you pain and your sacrifice. Also I'd like to express my deepest condolences on your great loss. That loss is not just your own , but for the Mankind and Universal Truth as a whole.

I dearly missed your ingenious photos.

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To me the difference between the A7R and the NX1 is just as big a jump as the NX1 is to the GH4. Paper texture, words on the computer chips, etc all resolve much more detail on the A7R as to be expected. You don't upsize as an example because its a pointless excercise in being obvious, nor is it practical in any way. Plus, people need to ask themselves if they will actually print such a large image that any of these photos would actually be at 100% in size, let alone upsized. More megapixels helps for detail in larger prints or for greater cropping flexibility. If someone desires those things, they will buy a camera that has more megapixels. No one expects any camera's image to look good upsized like this, except maybe for Sigma's older Foveon sensor which always looked good even upsized by about 50% larger.
 
What I've seen of the Sammy glass indicates that it is quite good.

But...

If you're looking at a GH4 grade body, that is a fairly high end body, which means you'll be wanting fairly high end glass to get the most out of that body.

In that respect, there is no comparison. µ43 not only has far more high end glass, it is actively developing more high end glass than any mirrorless company. Even Sony can't keep up, let alone a company with a much smaller presence like Samsung.

Body specs aside, a camera is only as good as the lens mounted, and it is only as flexible as the lens line that can work on it.
It would be a big mistake to under estimate Samsung. They came from nowhere to dominate the television and the cell phone market. Cameras aren't going to be any different. Lucky for Olympus and Panasonic they didn't get into M43. APSC camera makers should be a little leery of them.
 
Without a doubt they have potential. But they were the worst of all in figuring out what they need to make. They were here in 2010, sooner than Sony. And then they derailed. Body wise. The lenses are good though optically. But I stand by my point that their choice for large and heavy lenses is a mistake.

Look at their macro lens and compare it to the 60 mm weathersealed Oly macro. It weighs more than twice as much!
Their 85 mm f1.4: big and heavy!

And that is the story of their system. And in this way, they simply have to compete with more than just DSLR APS-cs. It is also competing with the FF Sony mirrorless cams now...
I have my non-educated guess:

Sony bought Minolta, thus SONY did not start from the scratch.
We are talking mirrorless camera's aren't we? Hence the headstart from Samsung. The aquisition of Minolta was way before 2010.
Panasonic paired with Olympus, and got some know-how and something to mock-up for starters.
Panasonic was here in 2008 wiht mirrorless, Oly was here mid 2009. Also: Panaosnic had the L1 and L10 I think as a DSLR in 2006 or so. And they hooked up in a similar fashion to Samsung hooking up with I think Pentax.
Samsung had started from the scratch.
Samsung was making cams well before they started their mirrorless endeavour too. Mirrorless is much closer to P&S technology than DSLR tech, bar the lenses. And Samsung simply does a very good job with the lens IQ. It is the bodies that have let them down, the part in which they did have experience.
Also, I believe that Samsung follows oriental mentality: either very small or very big.
If that is the reason why they performed so bad saleswise *wiht the exception of South Korea I think), than there is little hope. I wonder why Japanese are not doing this btw. Aren't they somehwere in the same region?
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No, I don't. But I put a premium on size. And I don't feel that the improvements in going up to a larger sensor are at all proportional to the increase in mass. I call it the size to performance ratio, which is tough to quantify, but it's always in the back of my mind when shopping for new gear.
What you say is true perhaps about you, and your needs for a camera. What is not true is the implication that the rest of the markets follow the same preference as you do. Take for example FF f/1.8 against the same f/1.4 lens, as 85/1.8 and 85/1.4. The difference in the output, in blur rather, may or may not be always obvious, but the difference in weight and in price is. Almost double the weight (we still are talking grams though), and safely triple the price. Surely, for those who puts premium on weight, as an example, the second lens would not be an alternative, but for quite many shooters it is. And it is worth every penny when it comes to what it can do, while the other can not.
And there are many situations where it simply pays to be more discreet than a large DSLR will allow. Cutting down on mass is not simply a back saver for those with physical issues. I believe that smaller gear just does a better job in many circumstances. Certainly not for landscape work, but certain events forbid you from taking large gear. Also, a street shooter would have a much harder time getting the same shots with a huge DSLR compared to a GM1 with 20mm lens. The DSLR would just attract much more attention.
You think so? Actually I believe dSLR shooters not only have an easy time in the street, but they also capture frames that are not even possible with smaller sensor cameras to take. You don't believe it?
Same with family events, etc. If you're the photographer, you're more likely to get spontaneous, unposed shots using a small camera.
Fast, almost instant focus, is what usually counts the most in such situations, and with fast precise lenses in front of it to follow. dSLRs are still ahead here.
And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance.
It does if f/5.6-7.1 is where that sweet spot for you is. True, that is where I shoot landscapes with FF at, and even occasional macros, but landscapes is not what many shoot the most.
And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH.
If video is your thing, why not just buy a video camera. I heard there are some pretty good offerings from Sony in this department, but I don't really follow it closely, and so I would not debate it either.
And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.
You mean for the live-view. There are situations where good fast refreshing live-view could be absolutely essential, say photographing an ant on the branch from a low angle. It's a good example, is not it? The problem is that I don't think contrast AF camera will focus fast enough for it, whereas I have done it with dSLR a decade ago.
 
No, I don't. But I put a premium on size. And I don't feel that the improvements in going up to a larger sensor are at all proportional to the increase in mass. I call it the size to performance ratio, which is tough to quantify, but it's always in the back of my mind when shopping for new gear.
What you say is true perhaps about you, and your needs for a camera. What is not true is the implication that the rest of the markets follow the same preference as you do. Take for example FF f/1.8 against the same f/1.4 lens, as 85/1.8 and 85/1.4. The difference in the output, in blur rather, may or may not be always obvious, but the difference in weight and in price is. Almost double the weight (we still are talking grams though), and safely triple the price. Surely, for those who puts premium on weight, as an example, the second lens would not be an alternative, but for quite many shooters it is. And it is worth every penny when it comes to what it can do, while the other can not.
And there are many situations where it simply pays to be more discreet than a large DSLR will allow. Cutting down on mass is not simply a back saver for those with physical issues. I believe that smaller gear just does a better job in many circumstances. Certainly not for landscape work, but certain events forbid you from taking large gear. Also, a street shooter would have a much harder time getting the same shots with a huge DSLR compared to a GM1 with 20mm lens. The DSLR would just attract much more attention.
You think so? Actually I believe dSLR shooters not only have an easy time in the street, but they also capture frames that are not even possible with smaller sensor cameras to take. You don't believe it?
I think bigger cameras draw more attention, which is really not the goal when you want something spontaneous and uninfluenced by the photographer.

Same with family events, etc. If you're the photographer, you're more likely to get spontaneous, unposed shots using a small camera.
Fast, almost instant focus, is what usually counts the most in such situations, and with fast precise lenses in front of it to follow. dSLRs are still ahead here.
Your information is out of date. Both Panasonic and Olympus have near instant focus with their cameras, and it's been that way since the inception of MFT. Perhaps you should actually try one of these cameras. You might be surprised.

Not only is MFT just as fast as DSLRs, but it's probably more accurate for stationary subjects. The reason is that contrast AF doesn't have the same back or front focus problems that PDAF does.

For moving subjects and tracking, PDAF has generally been thought to have the edge, but, if that edge even exists now, it's growing smaller by the year. Olympus has on sensor PDAF now. And Panasonic has invented an entirely new way of doing tracking AF called DFD (depth from defocus). The early reviews have all indicated that this type of AF is on par with PDAF on DSLRs for tracking motion. Some reviews have indicated that it's even better.

This type of thing is hard to test accurately, but, if you get a chance, perhaps you might want to try out a GH4. Again, you might be surprised. :-)

And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance.
It does if f/5.6-7.1 is where that sweet spot for you is. True, that is where I shoot landscapes with FF at, and even occasional macros, but landscapes is not what many shoot the most.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Where are you getting f/5.6-7.1 from?

And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH.
If video is your thing, why not just buy a video camera. I heard there are some pretty good offerings from Sony in this department, but I don't really follow it closely, and so I would not debate it either.
I have camcorders, but, as you may know, dedicated camcorders are becoming less popular and more rare. Aside from that, there aren't many camcorders with a sensor as large as MFT.

And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.
You mean for the live-view. There are situations where good fast refreshing live-view could be absolutely essential, say photographing an ant on the branch from a low angle. It's a good example, is not it? The problem is that I don't think contrast AF camera will focus fast enough for it, whereas I have done it with dSLR a decade ago.
For live view and video. And for the eventuality when the mirrorbox on a camera will become a thing of the past.

And you only believe that contrast AF can't do the job because you've only tried the shiite contrast AF on CaNikon cameras. These two companies are so far behind the times that you really have no clue what the state of the art is now.

Again, pick up a modern MILC and try it. My suggestion would be to try the GH4, as my guess is this will be the best, even though it doesn't have PDAF. You could also try one of Panasonic's compact cameras that uses DFD.

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And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance. And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH. And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.
DSLR's are at a disadvantage with regards to live view AF, just as mirrorless systems have been with regards to tracking. As for Nikon their 1 series actually has excellent AF right since the very first generation { when it was well in front of all other mirrorless options} , it is only in the past year that mFT has caught up.

V3 AF compared to GH4


While personally unless it is tripod based manual focus shooting I dont think that DSLR video is very practical the D5300 is a pretty good performer


Though inconvenient to use for video the actual output from the D810 is very good, once you jump through a couple of ergonomic hoops to capture it.

 
On paper, the samsung nx1 is definitely a more attractive option than the GH4. The issue for Samsung though is similar to Sony's issue with the A6000: great body, lenses aren't there yet.
I think that depends on what you intend to shoot with it. They have a very good standard zoom in the 16-50mm F/2-2.8, which along with the new 50-150mm F2.8 makes a good base for a serious kit. At the wide end there is the 12-24mm, they have a dedicated 1:1 macro lens, the 85mm F1.4 portrait option. A couple of pancake primes, the 30mm F2 looks to be pretty good. While nowhere near as comprehensive as our mFT choices they certainly have most of the bases covered. I am not interetsted in the NX as I am also a FF user I like the more compact dimensions of my mFT kit. The Pansonic LX100 may be my next buy

I am looking forward to RAW support for the NX1 as the JPEG sample processing looks a bit off, even so the potential level of detail is huge. Here is the NX1 JPEG vs the GH4 RAW , with the GH4 upsized to match.

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Hard to believe that these cameras are in the same price range. GH4 looks very bad in this comparison. Samsung lens is very sharp and the noise is much better too in Samsung despite of bigger pixel density in sensor. If NX1 has no big faults I think it is going to be a success.
 
And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance. And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH. And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.
DSLR's are at a disadvantage with regards to live view AF, just as mirrorless systems have been with regards to tracking. As for Nikon their 1 series actually has excellent AF right since the very first generation { when it was well in front of all other mirrorless options} , it is only in the past year that mFT has caught up.

V3 AF compared to GH4

It's an interesting result, but I don't think that video AF performance necessarily translates to stills AF performance or is reflective of the maximum speed at which the camera can AF. The reason is that they generally transition the focus gradually in video according to some algorithm. So, even if the camera could focus faster, it won't do it in video.

So, which of these cameras focuses a half second faster in video is more likely down to the particular algorithm rather than which was actually capable of obtaining focus faster.

The more interesting thing would be if one of the cameras failed to obtain focus at all or if there were some "breathing" focus effects, as if the camera didn't know where to focus.

Also, these two cameras aren't comparable at all for video since, even at 1080p quality, the V3 doesn't come anywhere near the best 1080p quality on Panasonic cameras. It's so far off the 4K quality, it's not worth mentioning.

While personally unless it is tripod based manual focus shooting I dont think that DSLR video is very practical the D5300 is a pretty good performer

http://www.cinema5d.com/nikon-d5300-gives-you-the-best-video-quality-on-aps-c/

Though inconvenient to use for video the actual output from the D810 is very good, once you jump through a couple of ergonomic hoops to capture it.

http://www.eoshd.com/2014/09/nikon-d810-video-quality-leapfrogs-canon-5d-mark-iii/
That's interesting. I hadn't realized Nikon had pulled ahead of Canon on the video front. It's not like Canon can't compete. They just refuse to. It's not like Nikon had a huge uphill battle. So, it seems they devoted a few more resources to video, just enough to pull ahead of Canon, which seems to be purposely throwing the fight.

The video contest between Canon and Nikon is like a race to the bottom. Two boxers in the ring doing everything they can to throw the fight.
 
I think bigger cameras draw more attention, which is really not the goal when you want something spontaneous and uninfluenced by the photographer.
Is not the eye-contact important when you photograph people?
Your information is out of date. Both Panasonic and Olympus have near instant focus with their cameras, and it's been that way since the inception of MFT. Perhaps you should actually try one of these cameras. You might be surprised.
There were several posts on this forum where people were proudly showing how fast their camera was, and I did not think those images really demonstrated what fast focus really is about. But you are right, I have not tried those cameras myself, so perhaps I am just under the wrong impression at best.
Not only is MFT just as fast as DSLRs, but it's probably more accurate for stationary subjects. The reason is that contrast AF doesn't have the same back or front focus problems that PDAF does.
I can't recall I had back and front focusing problems with my lenses, so I can not be giving you a good comparison here. I mean, it is either right on target or off altogether.
For moving subjects and tracking, PDAF has generally been thought to have the edge, but, if that edge even exists now, it's growing smaller by the year. Olympus has on sensor PDAF now. And Panasonic has invented an entirely new way of doing tracking AF called DFD (depth from defocus). The early reviews have all indicated that this type of AF is on par with PDAF on DSLRs for tracking motion. Some reviews have indicated that it's even better.
The reviews often compare against what it was before, like the previous models in the same line, but not against what the best systems out there are capable of.
This type of thing is hard to test accurately, but, if you get a chance, perhaps you might want to try out a GH4. Again, you might be surprised. :-)
I think I will be :-) .
It does if f/5.6-7.1 is where that sweet spot for you is. True, that is where I shoot landscapes with FF at, and even occasional macros, but landscapes is not what many shoot the most.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. Where are you getting f/5.6-7.1 from?
Most of the time I shoot wide open, and stopping the lens to f/5.6 (f/2.8 mFT equivalent) just never an attraction for me. I mean, there is a reason why I have f/2.8 FF zooms in the first place. Sweet spot is not where the weight is smaller for me. Unless I am looking at a landscapes, of course, where Foveon Sigmas are simply the sweetest for me :-) .

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And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance. And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH. And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.
DSLR's are at a disadvantage with regards to live view AF, just as mirrorless systems have been with regards to tracking. As for Nikon their 1 series actually has excellent AF right since the very first generation { when it was well in front of all other mirrorless options} , it is only in the past year that mFT has caught up.

V3 AF compared to GH4

It's an interesting result, but I don't think that video AF performance necessarily translates to stills AF performance or is reflective of the maximum speed at which the camera can AF. The reason is that they generally transition the focus gradually in video according to some algorithm. So, even if the camera could focus faster, it won't do it in video.
I do not own any Nikon CX cameras but my mate is a fan and I have used them extensively mainly with the adapter using Nikon FF lenses {a bit off balance, but fun} ,the AF speeds are excellent . Up until the EM1 which I do own the Nikons had a clear advantage in both speed and accuracy of AF when compared to my GH2 etc. This is well established and reported in every serious review.

Nikon’s mistake with its 1” models has been launch price and not using the Sony 1” sensor, the aptina sensor is more optimised for speed than getting the best image quality. I really think that within a generation of sensors the 1” option will be capable of great stuff. If you look at the various 1” options we already have excellent truly compact pocket sized models {RX100 series} , do it all { nearly} all-in-one cameras such as the RX10 and now FZ1000, Nikon has a proper waterproof model in the AW1, they have a decent sprinkle of lenses including an F/1.2 option. The smaller sized sensor allows for a lot of flexibility in camera design. And at least at low ISO the results from the Sony 1” sensor are easily on par with our current mFT offerings.
So, which of these cameras focuses a half second faster in video is more likely down to the particular algorithm rather than which was actually capable of obtaining focus faster.
:-) of course any advantage in other systems is just a bit of jiggery pokery
The more interesting thing would be if one of the cameras failed to obtain focus at all or if there were some "breathing" focus effects, as if the camera didn't know where to focus.

Also, these two cameras aren't comparable at all for video since, even at 1080p quality, the V3 doesn't come anywhere near the best 1080p quality on Panasonic cameras. It's so far off the 4K quality, it's not worth mentioning.
By the next gen of mirrorless cameras they will all have 4k { maybe even Olympus :-) }
While personally unless it is tripod based manual focus shooting I dont think that DSLR video is very practical the D5300 is a pretty good performer

http://www.cinema5d.com/nikon-d5300-gives-you-the-best-video-quality-on-aps-c/

Though inconvenient to use for video the actual output from the D810 is very good, once you jump through a couple of ergonomic hoops to capture it.

http://www.eoshd.com/2014/09/nikon-d810-video-quality-leapfrogs-canon-5d-mark-iii/
That's interesting. I hadn't realized Nikon had pulled ahead of Canon on the video front. It's not like Canon can't compete. They just refuse to. It's not like Nikon had a huge uphill battle. So, it seems they devoted a few more resources to video, just enough to pull ahead of Canon, which seems to be purposely throwing the fight.
Yes, you would think with their history of high end video Canon would really go for it. Nikon were even first to bring video to a DSLR with the D90
The video contest between Canon and Nikon is like a race to the bottom. Two boxers in the ring doing everything they can to throw the fight.
There are for me major ergonomic disadvantages of shooting DSLR video. However within its comfort zone excellent pro level results are certainly achievable , look at the success of the Canon 5Dmk2/3 in this area.
 
To me the difference between the A7R and the NX1 is just as big a jump as the NX1 is to the GH4. Paper texture, words on the computer chips, etc all resolve much more detail on the A7R as to be expected. You don't upsize as an example because its a pointless excercise in being obvious, nor is it practical in any way. Plus, people need to ask themselves if they will actually print such a large image that any of these photos would actually be at 100% in size, let alone upsized. More megapixels helps for detail in larger prints or for greater cropping flexibility. If someone desires those things, they will buy a camera that has more megapixels. No one expects any camera's image to look good upsized like this, except maybe for Sigma's older Foveon sensor which always looked good even upsized by about 50% larger.
To be fair this is a JPEG at who knows what settings from the not yet final firmware NX1 compared to a RAW from the A7R . It will be interetsing to see the RAW results when support is avaiable , though I will not be buying it :-) . The NX1 is far closer to the A7R than teh GH4 is to the NX1 regarding detail.

As a low ISO shooter , detail , DR , shadow noise etc are all important to me . I really hope for a better higher MP mFT sensor as we have the lenses to do it justice. The 100% view is not very useful I agree , extra detail and higher reolution however is very useful both for maximum image quality at low ISO and more flexibility with regards to NR and procedssing at high ISO.
 
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And I happen to feel that MFT hits that sweet spot for size and performance. And, as you mentioned, I think Panasonic is entirely unrivaled for video performance in an ILC, and that's one of the bigger draws for me. For video, I pretty much just follow whatever Panasonic's doing, since Canon chooses to invest very little in consumer level video. And Nikon is bordering on hopeless. I'm not sure Nikon is even capable of doing quality video TBH. And neither of them can do contrast AF worth a damn, even in 2014. That's the most shocking thing about CaNikon. Even in 2014, they still can't do contrast AF as well as Panasonic and Sony were doing it in 2006. It's not just in their DSLRS, but even in their compacts.
DSLR's are at a disadvantage with regards to live view AF, just as mirrorless systems have been with regards to tracking. As for Nikon their 1 series actually has excellent AF right since the very first generation { when it was well in front of all other mirrorless options} , it is only in the past year that mFT has caught up.

V3 AF compared to GH4

It's an interesting result, but I don't think that video AF performance necessarily translates to stills AF performance or is reflective of the maximum speed at which the camera can AF. The reason is that they generally transition the focus gradually in video according to some algorithm. So, even if the camera could focus faster, it won't do it in video.
I do not own any Nikon CX cameras but my mate is a fan and I have used them extensively mainly with the adapter using Nikon FF lenses {a bit off balance, but fun} ,the AF speeds are excellent . Up until the EM1 which I do own the Nikons had a clear advantage in both speed and accuracy of AF when compared to my GH2 etc. This is well established and reported in every serious review.
I have the GH2 and, even for a 2010 camera with no PDAF or DFD, it's still lightning quick to focus on stationary objects. Perhaps you mean moving objects, because I can't fault this camera at all when there's no movement. It's still my go to camera for video when I don't want to risk a newer, more expensive camera.

I wonder how the Nikon 1 compares to the GH3, which didn't have DFD but many reviewers noted that it was very good for tracking anyway.

Nikon’s mistake with its 1” models has been launch price and not using the Sony 1” sensor, the aptina sensor is more optimised for speed than getting the best image quality. I really think that within a generation of sensors the 1” option will be capable of great stuff. If you look at the various 1” options we already have excellent truly compact pocket sized models {RX100 series} , do it all { nearly} all-in-one cameras such as the RX10 and now FZ1000, Nikon has a proper waterproof model in the AW1, they have a decent sprinkle of lenses including an F/1.2 option. The smaller sized sensor allows for a lot of flexibility in camera design. And at least at low ISO the results from the Sony 1” sensor are easily on par with our current mFT offerings.
One could argue that it was a mistake to make a MILC with a 1" sensor to begin with, since it's become clear in recent years that this is a size very well suited to pocket sized compacts and larger compacts with greater zoom range.

Of course, the same thing could happen to MFT, with Panasonic releasing the LX100, but that camera is still much larger than the RX100 series.

Personally, I would have no problem going with either MFT or a MILC with a 1" sensor for video, providing that it actually does HQ video. That rules out the Nikon 1 or anything else from Nikon. I'm sure I'd give a 1" sensor a good look if Panasonic were doing it. But buying a MILC with a 1" sensor for stills alone is a bit of a stretch IMO. Although one area where it could really stand out is for birding and other telephoto/wildlife shots. I've read some reviews that the new Nikkor 70 to 300 (810mm eq.) is excellent for that purpose.

So, which of these cameras focuses a half second faster in video is more likely down to the particular algorithm rather than which was actually capable of obtaining focus faster.
:-) of course any advantage in other systems is just a bit of jiggery pokery
The more interesting thing would be if one of the cameras failed to obtain focus at all or if there were some "breathing" focus effects, as if the camera didn't know where to focus.

Also, these two cameras aren't comparable at all for video since, even at 1080p quality, the V3 doesn't come anywhere near the best 1080p quality on Panasonic cameras. It's so far off the 4K quality, it's not worth mentioning.
By the next gen of mirrorless cameras they will all have 4k { maybe even Olympus :-) }
Not all 4K is created equal, just like not all 1080p is created equal. I just hope that we don't have Nikon and Olympus releasing "4K" cameras that shoot no better than Panasonic's 1080p (and possibly worse) with people drinking the koolaid. I'm almost certain that if either of these two were to do 4K, it would look nothing like the GH. series.

I call this type of video "pseudo 4K", and we're going to see a lot of it, unfortunately.

While personally unless it is tripod based manual focus shooting I dont think that DSLR video is very practical the D5300 is a pretty good performer

http://www.cinema5d.com/nikon-d5300-gives-you-the-best-video-quality-on-aps-c/

Though inconvenient to use for video the actual output from the D810 is very good, once you jump through a couple of ergonomic hoops to capture it.

http://www.eoshd.com/2014/09/nikon-d810-video-quality-leapfrogs-canon-5d-mark-iii/
That's interesting. I hadn't realized Nikon had pulled ahead of Canon on the video front. It's not like Canon can't compete. They just refuse to. It's not like Nikon had a huge uphill battle. So, it seems they devoted a few more resources to video, just enough to pull ahead of Canon, which seems to be purposely throwing the fight.
Yes, you would think with their history of high end video Canon would really go for it. Nikon were even first to bring video to a DSLR with the D90
The video contest between Canon and Nikon is like a race to the bottom. Two boxers in the ring doing everything they can to throw the fight.
There are for me major ergonomic disadvantages of shooting DSLR video. However within its comfort zone excellent pro level results are certainly achievable , look at the success of the Canon 5Dmk2/3 in this area.
It doesn't necessarily have to be a disadvantage if the AF performance and image stabilization are up to snuff, like they are on MFT. But CaNikon have such a long way to go, both on these two fronts and on the video quality front.

There's nothing inherent in DSLRs that make them crappy for video. They just are because they're made by CaNikon.
 
Unfortunately, Beach Bum, I have to disagree about image stabilization. I used both and Canon IS is better than Panasonic OIS for video. The only lens that compares to Canons is the new kit 14-42mm that comes with the G6. I really hope Panasonic can do something with future software updates, but I doubt it. It's one of the pains I feel when using the GH4 handheld.
 
I too hope we get a higher MP m43's camera in a few years to really take advantage of some of these lenses we have on offer. I think 24MP would be more than enough for all but the utmost demanding photographers as far as resolution is concerned. Of course as I'm sure you know, just adding MP won't do the system any favors (just look at the latest Nikon 1 series with higher MP... their images look worse than their older generation Nikon 1's). I'm banking on organic sensors penciling out close to what the lab tests have shown, and I predict we will see them within 3 years. Until then, at least for what I shoot, I'm more than satisfied with an almost pocketable D7000.
 

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