E-1, a DLSR of professional?

E-1, a DLSR of professional? Yes or not? It depends, if compare to E-20 it is professional. But compare to Canon 10D, it is not. And Canon 10D is classified as prosumer DSLR, not a professional one in Canon DSLR product line. Therefoe Olympus, please compare to the others, but not compare to yourself. We know what is so called professional, stuff the product instead of just name it. If you like to classify it, then do it "professionally".

How is it "un-professional" compared to the 10D?

At the very LEAST, it's on the same level...

Regards,
photovoyager

photovoyager said:

How is it "un-professional" compared to the 10D?

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Lack of lenses and acessoires maybe?

photovoyager said:

At the very LEAST, it's on the same level...

Regards,
photovoyager

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Tony6838 said:

E-1, a DLSR of professional? Yes or not? It depends, if compare to
E-20 it is professional. But compare to Canon 10D, it is not. And
Canon 10D is classified as prosumer DSLR, not a professional one in
Canon DSLR product line. Therefoe Olympus, please compare to the
others, but not compare to yourself. We know what is so called
professional, stuff the product instead of just name it. If you
like to classify it, then do it "professionally".

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How can you say it is not professional quality when it isn't even released yet? The specs seem to indicate it will be at least as good as the 10D, not to mention that with the "splash proof" seals it should actually be more durable than any other DSLR in it's price range.

The writer never claims that the E1 will be any more or less professional than the 10d. What he says is that since the 10d is a 'prosumer' camera according to Canon, and that the E1 is being marketed against it (and not the 1Ds or equivalent) that the E1 is therefor a 'prosumer' camera.

Personally, I think that this is a bit bogus. Professional is what one does with a camera. However, the author never stated that the E1 was more or less professional than the 10d. Only that they are targeted at the same audience.

-JM

Roland Karlsson said:

photovoyager said:

How is it "un-professional" compared to the 10D?

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Lack of lenses and acessoires maybe?

Roland Karlsson said:

At the very LEAST, it's on the same level...

Regards,
photovoyager

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A professional camera (or any tool) is one that a professional uses to make his/her living. Period. End of story.

Tony6838 said:

E-1, a DLSR of professional? Yes or not? It depends, if compare to
E-20 it is professional. But compare to Canon 10D, it is not. And
Canon 10D is classified as prosumer DSLR, not a professional one in
Canon DSLR product line. Therefoe Olympus, please compare to the
others, but not compare to yourself. We know what is so called
professional, stuff the product instead of just name it. If you
like to classify it, then do it "professionally".

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I believe the original poster was refering to Olympus' use of the word "professional" on their packaging and in their marketing material.

Canoeman said:

Tony6838 said:

E-1, a DLSR of professional? Yes or not? It depends, if compare to
E-20 it is professional. But compare to Canon 10D, it is not. And
Canon 10D is classified as prosumer DSLR, not a professional one in
Canon DSLR product line. Therefoe Olympus, please compare to the
others, but not compare to yourself. We know what is so called
professional, stuff the product instead of just name it. If you
like to classify it, then do it "professionally".

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JamesM said:

The writer never claims that the E1 will be any more or less
professional than the 10d.

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Actually I think he does.

He says that compared with the E-20 it is professional (i.e. more "professional" than the E-20) but that compared with the 10D it is not.

Since the E-20 is considered less "professional" than the 10D, I think what he is saying is that while it may be professional compared with Oly cameras, it is NOT a professional camera when compared with the 10D.

I really don't see why it can't be a professional camera - not expensive enough?

Besides which I'm sure the 10D is used by plenty of pros anyway, but that's beside the point.

Regards,
photovoyager

The E1 can most certainly be a "professional" camera. It does lack some features that some working pros look for in their camera though. Compared to current technology, it lacks the speed and resolution of its "pro" competitors. I can't say for sure, but I have serious doubts the AF and metering performance will compare to a Nikon F5's 3D color matrix or Cam1300 AF system. I have also doubts about it's sealing quality (probably more 10D quality then 1DS), it's viewfinder size (comparatively very small compared to any other dSLR), flash sync is slow, etc. It really does not look like competition for what others usually refer to as "pro" and that's probably what the original poster is referring to.

photovoyager said:

JamesM said:

The writer never claims that the E1 will be any more or less
professional than the 10d.

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Actually I think he does.

He says that compared with the E-20 it is professional (i.e. more
"professional" than the E-20) but that compared with the 10D it is
not.

Since the E-20 is considered less "professional" than the 10D, I
think what he is saying is that while it may be professional
compared with Oly cameras, it is NOT a professional camera when
compared with the 10D.

I really don't see why it can't be a professional camera - not
expensive enough?

Besides which I'm sure the 10D is used by plenty of pros anyway,
but that's beside the point.

Regards,
photovoyager

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Is it a competitive professional camera for what particular professional applications....

Canoeman said:

A professional camera (or any tool) is one that a professional uses
to make his/her living. Period. End of story.

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Unperiod. The story continues....

If questions can't be asked,
this place will be a joke.

Dave

"Professional" can also mean a grade of equipment or tool, for example a 5-ton cement mixer is probably a professional tool whereas a bucket and shovel may not be.

I shoot with a 4x5, Arca head, and modern lenses, undoubtedly professional grade equipment but it doesn’t make me a professional. If Oly can brand this camera as a professional tool because some professionals use it a the primary means of their craft. Then any camera (including disposables) can be branded as “professional” because invariably professionals use all sort of equipment.

Unperiod continues….

knucklehead said:

Canoeman said:

A professional camera (or any tool) is one that a professional uses
to make his/her living. Period. End of story.

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Unperiod. The story continues....

If questions can't be asked,
this place will be a joke.

Dave

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Here we go again....

....back into hiatus....

-GageFX

kiet said:

"Professional" can also mean a grade of equipment or tool, for
example a 5-ton cement mixer is probably a professional tool
whereas a bucket and shovel may not be.

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Canoeman said:

A professional camera (or any tool) is one that a professional uses
to make his/her living. Period. End of story.

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...said the NETWORK ENGINEER...

-GageFX

The use of the term "Professional" in this context is a simple and obvious marketing tool, intended to imply that the camera is "better" than what would be marketed to mere amateur dabblers.

This can mean almost anything, but it usually means that it has features that are essential to more serious pro photographers but which the dabblers can supposedly manage without - and of course these extra features justify a completely different pricing than the dabbler-cams (which have to compete very closely on price).

As a dabbler myself, I have a pretty good idea which features I would like to see in any camera I want to buy (some of which the marketeers classify as "pro" some of which they don't) but there are often things in pro cameras I don't want at all (such as the armour plating, biological warfare protection, advanced flash modes, huge size and heavy weight).

So, looking at the original post, does the E1 have the feature set we would associate with pro cams like the D1x and 1Ds? Well, it's a subjective matter but it doesn't seem to me to have the full set.

The E10 of course was a dabbler-cam with a nice build and they called that a Professional camera too...

Tony6838 said:

E-1, a DLSR of professional? Yes or not? It depends, if compare to
E-20 it is professional. But compare to Canon 10D, it is not. And
Canon 10D is classified as prosumer DSLR, not a professional one in
Canon DSLR product line. Therefoe Olympus, please compare to the
others, but not compare to yourself. We know what is so called
professional, stuff the product instead of just name it. If you
like to classify it, then do it "professionally".

Click to expand...

Tony6838 said:

E-1, a DLSR of professional? Yes or not? It depends, if compare to
E-20 it is professional. But compare to Canon 10D, it is not. And
Canon 10D is classified as prosumer DSLR, not a professional one in
Canon DSLR product line. Therefoe Olympus, please compare to the
others, but not compare to yourself. We know what is so called
professional, stuff the product instead of just name it. If you
like to classify it, then do it "professionally".

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.................. Yes I tend to agree here, I've written something similar, I’d class it as the professional consumer class, but remember that Oly called the E10 “professional” as well, almost no one else ever did.

Though the E1 seems far better specified to carry the tile than the E10 ever did I’d accept it as a professional class machine in relation to Olympus’s version of professional but not as a professional machine in the real big bad world outside of Japan.

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...........I can't wait to see images illustrating the chip's Dynamic Range capability as everything else on paper so far is Professional (IMHO).

Check out the article 'Olympus aims squarely at pro market, announces plans for Pro Services Division" on Imaging-resource.com. At the bottom they have a set of slide shots comparing the E-1 to the 1ds, 10d, d1x, d1h and d100. Worth reading. Olympus meets or raises the bar on most categories. (IMHO).

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Hi Tony

why on earth does it matter - if professionals use it, then it's professional, if they don't, then I guess it isn't. There's no way of knowing until it's released.

As for saying it's less professional than a 10D - what possible criteria have you got for making such an arbitrary decision.

kind regards
jono slack

The impression I got from the Olympus launch spin was that the E1 was being targeted at the professional market (D1X, D1, 1D etc).

Which, superficially seems a little adventurous, but if the image quality turns out as good as some of the rumours, who's to say?

kind regards
jono slack

JamesM said:

Personally, I think that this is a bit bogus. Professional is what
one does with a camera. However, the author never stated that the
E1 was more or less professional than the 10d. Only that they are
targeted at the same audience.

-JM

Roland Karlsson said:

photovoyager said:

How is it "un-professional" compared to the 10D?

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Lack of lenses and acessoires maybe?

Member said:

At the very LEAST, it's on the same level...

Regards,
photovoyager

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Hi Leonard

Leonard H said:

The E1 can most certainly be a "professional" camera. It does lack
some features that some working pros look for in their camera
though. Compared to current technology, it lacks the speed and
resolution of its "pro" competitors.

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As far as speed is concerned, you're certainly right - resolution is always a tricky one - I've seen lots of great photos from the D1h and 1D, both of which are aimed at pros, and have less resolution than the E1

Leonard H said:

I can't say for sure, but I
have serious doubts the AF and metering performance will compare to
a Nikon F5's 3D color matrix or Cam1300 AF system.

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I'm certainl you're right with respect to the focusing - mind you, we don't all shoot sport! As for the metering, Nikons' colour matrix is more sophisticated, but i found the metering on the Exx to be very good.

Leonard H said:

I have also
doubts about it's sealing quality (probably more 10D quality then
1DS)

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I think that it complies with an ISO standard, which the 10D doesn't - so, although it might not be as good as the 1Ds, I think you'll find that it is what it says it is (i.e. splash proof).

Leonard H said:

, it's viewfinder size (comparatively very small compared to
any other dSLR),

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I'm confused by this - some previewers have been very very complimentary about this. I think we'll have to wait and have a go.

Leonard H said:

flash sync is slow, etc.

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Absolutely - but the actual flash facilities aren't bad

Leonard H said:

It really does not look
like competition for what others usually refer to as "pro" and
that's probably what the original poster is referring to.

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Don't you think that what it all boils down to is the image quallity. If it produces stunning sharp, low noise images (as I've heard) then there are a lot of us who will put up with slow flash sync and slower focus in exchange for the image quality (I certainly will).

One thing you don't mention, which seems to me to be the biggest IF is the omission of Image Stabilisation.

kind regards
jono slack

Leonard H said:

photovoyager said:

JamesM said:

The writer never claims that the E1 will be any more or less
professional than the 10d.

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Actually I think he does.

He says that compared with the E-20 it is professional (i.e. more
"professional" than the E-20) but that compared with the 10D it is
not.

Since the E-20 is considered less "professional" than the 10D, I
think what he is saying is that while it may be professional
compared with Oly cameras, it is NOT a professional camera when
compared with the 10D.

I really don't see why it can't be a professional camera - not
expensive enough?

Besides which I'm sure the 10D is used by plenty of pros anyway,
but that's beside the point.

Regards,
photovoyager

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Jono Slack said:

As for saying it's less professional than a 10D - what possible
criteria have you got for making such an arbitrary decision.

kind regards
jono slack

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............ more than you have for saying the opposite. And for the same reasons, he has a 10D in his hands .......... you know what two brids in the bush are worth ....