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So are you going to buy the 7D Mark II?

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Basically, it's focus performance is in the "not gonna miss" category of the 1DX. The sensor performance looks to be an improvement over the 70D, which was already an improvement over the 18MP crop sensor, which is plenty good enough for me. The rumors around are "no banding" at high ISO, and outstanding performance at high ISO.

Put that all together, and it's the ultimate sports camera for less than a third the cost of the 1DX, and at a smaller size too.
 
robert614 said:
After the five year wait for a replacement and the endless speculation,the 7D mark II is finally here.

It may not be for everyone,but for it's intended use(sports,action,BIF...) I think it's looks like a great upgrade to my 7D.

I put my preorder in this morning.

I was just curious,how many of you are planning to buy one.

Regards,

Robert
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I still love the original 7D. The AF performance is fantastic with the appropriate lenses.
 
rwbaron said:
Not until there's more known about it's IQ.

For my needs Canon appears to have addressed areas that were not important for me and ignored IQ which is. Hard to believe that this company that once led and showed everyone the way with CMOS and FF is now the only company still using off chip ADC.

Bob
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I will likely gt it, but I'm waiting to see reviews on the performance or any actual issues, and maybe get my hands on one in a store locally. Been hoping for it for the past year (as my Christmas present to myself), to get as a second body, to my 60D, and eventually convert my 60D for pure astrophotography work. Shoot mainly airshows and astrophotography and (night/dusk) timelapses.
 
Lee Jay said:
Basically, it's focus performance is in the "not gonna miss" category of the 1DX.
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The AF does look impressive and may be the best of any current DSLR.
Lee Jay said:
The sensor performance looks to be an improvement over the 70D,
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I hope you're right but what gives you that impression?
Lee Jay said:
which was already an improvement over the 18MP crop sensor,
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By a very slight (almost inconsequential) margin with the exception that Canon did eliminate the ISO 100 pattern noise. Unfortunately the ADC is still off-chip and the read noise is very high because of it.
Lee Jay said:
The rumors around are "no banding" at high ISO, and outstanding performance at high ISO.
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Where are you reading this? That would be great news about "outstanding performance at high ISO" but the 70D did not have banding issues either but still high read noise at ISO 100.
Lee Jay said:
Put that all together, and it's the ultimate sports camera for less than a third the cost of the 1DX, and at a smaller size too.
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I agree that this could be the ultimate sports and action camera when FL limited. Not so sure though about the sensor and IQ improvements but hopefully Canon will surprise.

Bob
 
But not because it isn't a great camera. With those specs and at that price point it's an incredible buy! I won't be buying one because my interest in sports photography has gone away (long story). When I first got into photography three years ago, I had a huge passion for sports so that's why I went with the 7D. But things have evolved over time and my passion just isn't there anymore. Were it not for that lack of passion, I would definitely be ordering a 7D2. It's like a mini-1DX. I'm very surprised they're selling it for only $1,799. That camera at $2,299 would still be a great buy IMHO.

For now, I'll stick with the 7D original. When and if I get another body, it will probably be a 6D or 5D3 for the full-frame sensor (assuming the sensor in the 7D2 isn't better).
 
Jonathan Brady said:
rwbaron said:
Not until there's more known about it's IQ.

For my needs Canon appears to have addressed areas that were not important for me and ignored IQ which is. Hard to believe that this company that once led and showed everyone the way with CMOS and FF is now the only company still using off chip ADC.

Bob
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rwbaron said:
Lee Jay said:
Basically, it's focus performance is in the "not gonna miss" category of the 1DX.
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The AF does look impressive and may be the best of any current DSLR.
rwbaron said:
The sensor performance looks to be an improvement over the 70D,
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I hope you're right but what gives you that impression?
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Improved sensitivity of the photo diodes according to Canon, improved microlens design, increased Bayer dye transmission, reports of no banding at high ISO, and reports of very clean high ISO.
rwbaron said:
rwbaron said:
The rumors around are "no banding" at high ISO, and outstanding performance at high ISO.
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Where are you reading this? That would be great news about "outstanding performance at high ISO" but the 70D did not have banding issues either but still high read noise at ISO 100.
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http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22747.msg439299#msg439299


Myself, I don't care about DR at base ISO. I have trouble with DR at high ISO, not base.

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Lee Jay
 
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Lee Jay said:
rwbaron said:
Lee Jay said:
Basically, it's focus performance is in the "not gonna miss" category of the 1DX.
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The AF does look impressive and may be the best of any current DSLR.
Lee Jay said:
The sensor performance looks to be an improvement over the 70D,
Click to expand...
I hope you're right but what gives you that impression?
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Improved sensitivity of the photo diodes according to Canon, improved microlens design, increased Bayer dye transmission, reports of no banding at high ISO, and reports of very clean high ISO.
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That would be good news if it all translates to a real difference. I'll anxiously await the reviews and test.
Lee Jay said:
Lee Jay said:
Lee Jay said:
The rumors around are "no banding" at high ISO, and outstanding performance at high ISO.
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Where are you reading this? That would be great news about "outstanding performance at high ISO" but the 70D did not have banding issues either but still high read noise at ISO 100.
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http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22747.msg439299#msg439299
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Not much to go on there.
Lee Jay said:
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Kelby is a new Canon shill but I do respect him. You have to be careful though because Chuck Westfall made the statement that the 50D was 1-1/2 stops better ISO performance when released than the 40D and later backtracked that to JPEG only and even then it wasn't what he claimed.
Lee Jay said:
Myself, I don't care about DR at base ISO. I have trouble with DR at high ISO, not base.
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I understand but base ISO is important for me. I like to shoot long glass for extracting elements from scenes and compression of landscapes. I also shoot wildlife, airshows and bike races but never spray and pray so the AF is welcome but even 5 FPS is more than I need. This would be the perfect camera for me with a sensor with good clean ISO 100 and even just a modest gain at high ISO. I fear it's everything but the clean low ISO but time will tell.

Thanks for the links.

Bob
 
rwbaron said:
Lee Jay said:
rwbaron said:
Lee Jay said:
Basically, it's focus performance is in the "not gonna miss" category of the 1DX.
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The AF does look impressive and may be the best of any current DSLR.
rwbaron said:
The sensor performance looks to be an improvement over the 70D,
Click to expand...
I hope you're right but what gives you that impression?
Click to expand...
Improved sensitivity of the photo diodes according to Canon, improved microlens design, increased Bayer dye transmission, reports of no banding at high ISO, and reports of very clean high ISO.
Click to expand...
That would be good news if it all translates to a real difference. I'll anxiously await the reviews and test.
rwbaron said:
rwbaron said:
rwbaron said:
The rumors around are "no banding" at high ISO, and outstanding performance at high ISO.
Click to expand...
Where are you reading this? That would be great news about "outstanding performance at high ISO" but the 70D did not have banding issues either but still high read noise at ISO 100.
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http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=22747.msg439299#msg439299
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Not much to go on there.
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Yeah, well, it's early yet!
rwbaron said:
rwbaron said:
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Kelby is a new Canon shill but I do respect him. You have to be careful though because Chuck Westfall made the statement that the 50D was 1-1/2 stops better ISO performance when released than the 40D and later backtracked that to JPEG only and even then it wasn't what he claimed.
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Yeah...I don't really trust Kelby, but even if he's just comparing it to the 70D, it's encouraging that it seems to be an improvement.
rwbaron said:
rwbaron said:
Myself, I don't care about DR at base ISO. I have trouble with DR at high ISO, not base.
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I understand but base ISO is important for me. I like to shoot long glass for extracting elements from scenes and compression of landscapes. I also shoot wildlife, airshows and bike races but never spray and pray so the AF is welcome but even 5 FPS is more than I need. This would be the perfect camera for me with a sensor with good clean ISO 100 and even just a modest gain at high ISO. I fear it's everything but the clean low ISO but time will tell.

Thanks for the links.
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My application for this is airshows and my kids (who are in constant motion). I rarely shoot at base ISO. I shot airshows all weekend and the only shots that were unusable were the base ISO ones. I shot mostly at ISO 200 and 400 and had no problem with DR. With my kids, it's a lot of 1600+.
 
If I ever got into BIF, sports, kids running around, it would be a bit of a no brainer for me; for what I currently shoot even the 70D is a bit of overkill.
 
Jonathan Brady said:
rwbaron said:
Jonathan Brady said:
rwbaron said:
Jonathan Brady said:
rwbaron said:
Not until there's more known about it's IQ.

For my needs Canon appears to have addressed areas that were not important for me and ignored IQ which is. Hard to believe that this company that once led and showed everyone the way with CMOS and FF is now the only company still using off chip ADC.

Bob
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I wont be buying a 7D mark II any time soon. I have a 70D which I'm very happy with. Here is my take on the differences between the 7D mark II and the 70D for my uses, ranked by order of importance:

Advantages for 70D:

1 - lower weight and smaller size. I find the 70D to be just about the right weight and size, I found the regular 7D / 5DmIII to be a little too big & heavy. Note that I also found the rebel to be a little too small and light.

2 - Flip screen: I really like it!

4 - Touch screen: I really like it!

11 - Wifi – I use it a little.

Advantages for 7D mark II:

3 - Focus ability – DROOL, DROOL, DROOL.

5 - Dual use top buttons

6 – FPS – I rank this 6 because I find 7fps to be pretty darn good, basically enough

7 – buffer – Basically the 70D buffer is just about good enough for me

8 - Spot metering based on AF point

9 - Slightly larger viewfinder

10 - GPS – I would use it a little

I have full appreciation that the 7D Mark II is an upgrade in many respects as listed above, however for my use, for now, I think the disadvantages outweigh the advantages for the 7D mark II. I don't want a heavier / bigger camera. I really like the flip screen and touch screen. I don't want to give all that up for the 7DmII advantages.

One of the biggest mysteries for me are the exclusion of touch screen. That can be turned off anyway, so why exclude it? Only reason I can think of is it limits waterproofing or has a greater potential for failure, but I find that hard to believe. I also am surprised by the exclusion of wifi. I don't really care – I don't use it much. But I'd think that over the next few years, the use of wifi will only increase. I think a 7D Mark II will be quite dated in 2018 without wifi.
 
Probably. I'm intermittently torn by the lure of the 5D3. I don't know how much of this is nostalgia for my 35mm film days, though. I'll definitely wait to see image samples, reviews, and user experiences. My 7D is still performing very well, and I actually do most of my shooting these days on the EOS M, because of its great portability, and image quality that is at least as good as the 7D (especially with the superb 22mm pancake). I am still interested in action and wildlife photography, though, and love my 70-200 F2.8 L IS II, which is definitely too unwieldy on the M, especially with the 2X III added!
 
I can't remember which preview I saw, but the battery life is rated to only ~630 shots, this concerns me a bit, though I wish I knew what setup they used to do that. Also, can you use regular LP-E6 batteries, or do you have to use the new LP-E6N? And what kind of difference in performance should you see?
 
robert614 said:
After the five year wait for a replacement and the endless speculation,the 7D mark II is finally here.

It may not be for everyone,but for it's intended use(sports,action,BIF...) I think it's looks like a great upgrade to my 7D.

I put my preorder in this morning.

I was just curious,how many of you are planning to buy one.

Regards,

Robert
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6 months ago I sold my 7d to fund the purchase of a 5D3. Glad that I did as I got a 5D3 with double cashback offer and a good price for my 7D.

Having got used to the 5D3 control layout and discovering that the 7D2 has a very similar layout it is highly probable that I will in a few months.
 
slookabill said:
I can't remember which preview I saw, but the battery life is rated to only ~630 shots, this concerns me a bit, though I wish I knew what setup they used to do that. Also, can you use regular LP-E6 batteries, or do you have to use the new LP-E6N? And what kind of difference in performance should you see?
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I don't know about battery life, but I'm pretty sure I saw in one or two of the previews that you can use the older batteries too. Mine are now 4 years old, and showing the minimal level of recharge performance, so I suspect that I'll simply get an extra new one, when/if I get the 7DII, but for people with newer 7D batteries, this is good news.
 
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