Petition for a Professional OVF camera successor of Sony A99 !

Gary-West Sussex · Sep 1, 2014

You appear to be judging the EVF of the A99 but you don't appear to own/use one?

As a user of both OVF and EVF cameras I would opt for the EVF every time....... particularly in low light.

MrGubrz · Sep 1, 2014

While they're at it, I'd like an automatic film winder...........

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Fotohouse · Sep 1, 2014

MrGubrz said:
While they're at it, I'd like an automatic film winder...........

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Now that is a much needed feature. ;-)

eddiewood · Sep 1, 2014

Yxa said:
[B]th[/B]texascbx said:

You already have two Nikons so why even worry with Sony? You should stock up on the Nikons too because they will eventually change over to EVF.

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Jim Funston · Sep 1, 2014

I'm sorry but you could not give me 100 OVF cameras to use again......

I took a job as a part time product photographer for a high end collectable gun dealer recently. They have a studio all set up with a OVF camera they wanted me to use. (I won't mention the brand lets just say it is considered a Pro/serious enthusiast camera body from one of the so called top two companies. They are not set up so it could be tethered so it was a shoot and check situation. I had never been so frustrated in my life and this is coming from someone who has shot OVF since the early 60's in 35, medium format film, and even a Minolta 7D digital. Since going through the growing pains of owning a EVF with the A33, A77, and a99 I am so used to the realtime viewfinder live view and all the information that can be displayed in them at the time of the shot that going to a OVF was like jumping back into the stone age. I was averaging 1.25 firearms per hour with 20-40 images per firearm using the OVF. I brought in my SLT with EVF and now I average 4 firearms per hour because I do not have to shoot and check and reshoot as this dealer wants these images dead on OOC. (but that is another story altogether :-( )

My little frustrating venture back into the stone age of OVF cameras for a job proved to me beyond a doubt I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER CAMERA WITH A OVF period!

nemist · Sep 1, 2014

eddiewood said:
nemist said:

eddiewood said:

tremulo said:

I totally agree with Giuseppe, optical viewfinder is essential for professional photo, otherwise I should not be named SLR.

Sony, please, pro SLR with OVF!!

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Since there are thousands of professional looking images captured using an EVF then it obviously is not essential.

If an OVF is your primary need from a camera then swap systems, there are PLENTY of cameras to choose from.

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Are there any with AF Ziess and IBIS?

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CaNikon professionals appear to do just fine without them.

If you're going to point out of obvious, I will as well…some professionals shoot MF, others range finders, some mirror less, some Sony, Canon, or Nikon. Photographers have different needs and preferences--I am sure many of them could switch systems and still do ok, but we shoot different systems as they fit our preferences/needs.

I could do fine with Canon, and even better in some ways. Or Nikon. But my satisfaction would be lower, the colors would be worse, and I cherish LOW ISO and colors over high ISO, so a-mount works best for me. It would be perfect if they released a couple of the lenses I listed earlier, and a OVF/extremely responsive EVF.

eddiewood · Sep 1, 2014

It didn't appear to be obvious to you though.

thebustos · Sep 1, 2014

I think EVF technology will only get better, and the gap between OVFs and EVFs will narrow.
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Good luck and happy shooting!

Endos · Sep 1, 2014

eddiewood said:
Yxa said:

[B]th[/B]texascbx said:

You already have two Nikons so why even worry with Sony? You should stock up on the Nikons too because they will eventually change over to EVF.

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eddiewood · Sep 1, 2014

Endos said:
Endos said:

Yxa said:

[B]th[/B]texascbx said:

You already have two Nikons so why even worry with Sony? You should stock up on the Nikons too because they will eventually change over to EVF.

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Hawaii-geek · Sep 2, 2014

Issue is "FAST" "PRO" body with BIG Grip Battery

Fast also means ... Fast EVF ... and should mean BIG ... like the biggest ever ?

EVF's should provide more information , with MORE Options (styles)

* SPEED FIRST ... but

* Lets say I want a HUGE EVF ... biggest VF ever ... BUT, I want to use it to SEE "Around the Full Frame CROP". "choice".

* OR I want it to Fill the frame , ... and with all my fav info. ... want to CHOOSE which Over Lays I want to SEE.

But, did I say SPEED "First" ? ... and let me pan in continuous AF a max fps and not get a Slide Show effect.

Just my view,

HG

lifephoto.it said:
Dear Sony Pro and enthusiast users, I shot since 2008 with two fantastic Sony A900 (I was a Loyal Minolta user) for my job (wedding reportage) and my personal projects. The optical view finder of this camera is the best aver made and I don't need to change battery after 300 shots as with the A99 with the risk to loose the rings changing moment !. During a wedding I don't want to stress myself with not reliable technology as battery life of A99. The battery life of my A900 reach 1000 shots!

It is clear Sony make money with batteries, but for saving PRO customers like me a OVF A900 style new camera is necessary. Why not a A99 with A900 viewfinder, or I have to pass to Nikon with a D800 or a D800E?

Zeiss lenses means classic high level quality! Classic bright view is OVF. It is also a good commercial issue!

Please people help me for a petition to Sony: WE NEED PRO CAMERA WITH OPTICAL CLASSIC VIEWFINDER!

If you are with me share it!

Ciao,

Giuseppe

tbcass · Sep 2, 2014

One thing I have noticed is I can get a lot more shots when shooting bursts than with one shot of a time which makes sense when you think about it. For this reason including burst count is a bit disingenuous.
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tbcass · Sep 2, 2014

That sentence makes no sense. I suspect English is not your first language. Did you mean to say it is easier to see Sony dropping A mount than Nikon dropping OVFs? While Nikon won't be dropping OVFs any time soon I can see a time when it will be offered only in high end and expensive FF cameras. As it stands today high quality EVFs offer a brighter, bigger view than OVFs in APS-C cameras.
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Tom

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tbcass · Sep 2, 2014

tremulo said:
I totally agree with Giuseppe, optical viewfinder is essential for professional photo, otherwise I should not be named SLR.

Sony, please, pro SLR with OVF!!

Why? Give reasons why you believe OVFs are essential for professional photography, especially given that many pros use EVF cameras.
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Tom

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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography because it causes people to fret over inconsequential issues.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63683676@N07/

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tbcass · Sep 2, 2014

When I take photos I prefer an EVF. To see the "real world" I prefer the naked eye. I don't look through a camera viewfinder to view the real world.
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Tom

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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography because it causes people to fret over inconsequential issues.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63683676@N07/

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dlkeller · Sep 2, 2014

This is a very old arguement that has been going on ever since Sony went from OVF to EVF. Whether one system is "better in simply a matter of the individual photographer's taste. I don't believe Sony is going to produce another OVF, as much as some of us would like it so we are simply going to have to either accept the change or leave Sony for something else. When my A700 wears out I, for one, am leaving. It is not just for the OVF as I could live with the EVF, although grudgingly, it is far a general distrust in Sony continuing a system I like. Despite the encouraging release of the A77ii the lack of lower level cameras and lenses for the A mount and their increased emphasis on E mount cameras it just looks like that is the way they are going. Sony is forcing a "love it or leave it" situation on many of us and right now "leave it" seems a better option for many.

Lucas_ · Sep 2, 2014

I respect your wishes, and I had an A900 for over two years and have an A99 for 18 months now. I shoot landscape, macros and occasionally events like weddings. I believe I'l never get used to an OVF again, the EVF gives me way more info, excellent continuous LV with WYSIWYG. Battery life is not as low as you said, and having one or two extras in a grip or a small bag is no problem at. all!

... Lucas

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MrGubrz · Sep 2, 2014

thebustos said:
I think EVF technology will only get better, and the gap between OVFs and EVFs will EXPAND.
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Good luck and happy shooting!

fixed that for you

evfs are already better

Mike Fewster · Sep 5, 2014

dlkeller said:
This is a very old arguement that has been going on ever since Sony went from OVF to EVF. Whether one system is "better in simply a matter of the individual photographer's taste. I don't believe Sony is going to produce another OVF, as much as some of us would like it so we are simply going to have to either accept the change or leave Sony for something else. When my A700 wears out I, for one, am leaving. It is not just for the OVF as I could live with the EVF, although grudgingly, it is far a general distrust in Sony continuing a system I like. Despite the encouraging release of the A77ii the lack of lower level cameras and lenses for the A mount and their increased emphasis on E mount cameras it just looks like that is the way they are going. Sony is forcing a "love it or leave it" situation on many of us and right now "leave it" seems a better option for many.

Endos · Sep 7, 2014

tbcass said:
That sentence makes no sense. I suspect English is not your first language. Did you mean to say it is easier to see Sony dropping A mount than Nikon dropping OVFs?

You are right in both sentences.

tbcass said:
While Nikon won't be dropping OVFs any time soon I can see a time when it will be offered only in high end and expensive FF cameras. As it stands today high quality EVFs offer a brighter, bigger view than OVFs in APS-C cameras.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels
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Misuse of the ability to do 100% pixel peeping is the bane of digital photography because it causes people to fret over inconsequential issues.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63683676@N07/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

This is true but not always, for example if you are shooting outdoors in bright sunlight, the OVFs are brighter, and with much more DR than EVFs, and this is a big advantage.

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