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The improvement makes sense. A 1" sensor camera would probably need a new lineage.

I would get a XA1 if my X10 dies. Closely priced with bigger sensor..
 
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Wellington100 said:
Its a pity that Fuji never went to a 1" XTrans, even if it took another year to produce.
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I think what happen next year will be 2/3" organic sensor in X40 with performance similar to 1" sensor. I don't think Fuji will go the 1"route as the X30 body design is going to last for 2 years.
 
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a l b e r t said:
Its a pity that Fuji never went to a 1" XTrans, even if it took another year to produce.
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I think what happen next year will be 2/3" organic sensor in X40 with performance similar to 1" sensor. I don't think Fuji will go the 1"route as the X30 body design is going to last for 2 years.
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You could be right, it all depends on sales I guess, I wonder if Fuji is planning a X100 zoom, that would be one way to solve the sensor size problem and put Fuji back on top at the same time.
 
f31x10 said:
The improvement makes sense. A 1" sensor camera would probably need a new lineage.

I would get a XA1 if my X10 dies. Closely priced with bigger sensor..
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But the X-A1 is not nearly as compact as the X30 which is admittedly slightly chunkier than the X20. The X30 can still fit in many small jacket pockets but not the X-A1 with its 16-50mm kit lens. The X-A1 is a much better value since with the kit lens it can be bought for about $200 less than the X30.

X30 advantages : Very nice EVF, smaller size, much faster focusing/tracking.

X-A1 advantages : Much better image quality. Good selection of (relatively expensive) lens upgrades.

X30 differences : Many, but losing the OVF and the much better battery life of the NP-95 that was used in the ancient F30 and which should have been used in the X10/X20 are welcome changes.
 
a l b e r t said:
a l b e r t said:
Its a pity that Fuji never went to a 1" XTrans, even if it took another year to produce.
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I think what happen next year will be 2/3" organic sensor in X40 with performance similar to 1" sensor. I don't think Fuji will go the 1"route as the X30 body design is going to last for 2 years.
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If Fuji put the organic sensor in X30, it might have been worth the asking price, $600. It does not even come with weather sealing, 4k video, a longer range lens, same 12 MP sensor, WTF is Fuji thinking?! I had it on my list of cameras as a possible upgrade candidate. Bottom line: No 1" sensor or organic 2/3" = No Sale!!! What a let down :-(
 
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I have a X10 which I love and didn't upgrade when the X20 came out as it wasn't enough of a move up, IMHO. I was hoping for the X30 to be that step up, but when I saw that the sensor was to be the same, I broke my vow that I wouldn't get a "system" camera, and bought a X-A1 with kit lens and 50-230 zoom and 35/1.4. Of course, even with the good deal I got for this combo, I spent way more than I would have for a X30. But I'm very happy with the X-A1, even if I have to change the #$%^&*lenses. The IQ is what I've been waiting for the past 2 years, and I'm back to enjoying taking photos which was when I first bought the X10- in one month I've been through 2 16GB SD cards. I guess I'll have to wait for the X40, or maybe even look at the LX8. While the XA1 is not pocketable, I have a flack jacket with big pockets so am comfortable carrying around the XA1 with lenses- so far. At least it's no where near the weight I used to lug around with my Nikon SLR gear. Tho, sighhhhhh.....I really was hoping that the X30 was the camera I had been waiting for.
 
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I have a X10 which I love and didn't upgrade when the X20 came out as it wasn't enough of a move up, IMHO. I was hoping for the X30 to be that step up, but when I saw that the sensor was to be the same, I broke my vow that I wouldn't get a "system" camera, and bought a X-A1 with kit lens and 50-230 zoom and 35/1.4. Of course, even with the good deal I got for this combo, I spent way more than I would have for a X30. But I'm very happy with the X-A1, even if I have to change the #$%^&*lenses. The IQ is what I've been waiting for the past 2 years, and I'm back to enjoying taking photos which was when I first bought the X10- in one month I've been through 2 16GB SD cards. I guess I'll have to wait for the X40, or maybe even look at the LX8. While the XA1 is not pocketable, I have a flack jacket with big pockets so am comfortable carrying around the XA1 with lenses- so far. At least it's no where near the weight I used to lug around with my Nikon SLR gear. Tho, sighhhhhh.....I really was hoping that the X30 was the camera I had been waiting for.
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I think I would wait for X40 as there is very slight difference in IQ between X20 and X30

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The smaller size of the X30 is definitely its strongest point, i agree.. The NP-95 too.

Even if more brands come up with big sensors in small compacts, i will tend to go for Fuji. The jpeg colours are simply better.
 
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What mistake using the same already aged zoom for a third time. They better have a decent 1" sensor and an optically great zoomlens coming for the X40 next year. Needs to be wider than 28mm of course to really have a chance agianst some of the better competitors.

As if this already was a bad joke the sample images gave me a laugh. They really look no better than what I can get from my aged Contax TVS Digital. Uses it with sharpening set to -1 as Default are over the limit, but -1 works very well.
 
I can get the X30 with a great EVF same as X-E1 .Good batteries . Same photo's as the x20 ( which is good enough for me) I only look at them on a computer. Or print to 4x6 and once in a great while a 8x10. Don't think I need more. Now I’m using the x10 and xs1 and I’m happy with them except for the ovf of the x10 no information.
 
It really depends on what you consider small sensor vs moderate or large......to me anything 1/2" or smaller should be considered a small sensor, 1/1.8" to 2/3" should be considered a moderate sized sensor, 1" to APS should be considered a medium sized sensor and full frame or larger should be considered a large sensor. It can be argued that 1/2" EXR should be put in the moderate class because of its higher dynamic range and better noise profile than conventional sensors of that size. Likewise a 2/3" EXR sensor could be put in the medium class.

Keep in mind that as technology changes the image quality changes, a 1/2" sensor today (especially an EXR) gives you the image quality of a 2/3" sensor from half a dozen years ago.

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I don't understand how Fuji expects to survive in the current highly competitive marketplace with new cameras (slight upgrades over the previous) like this one. When you don't make many models, you have to find a way for each one to be competitive in its niche.

I don't understand what Fuji is doing. Maybe some X10 and X20 users will be willing to go for a smallish upgrade, but is this the way to attract -new- Fuji users over other brands (that are better marketed, too)?

I don't get it.
 
I'd suggest they create a new class of camera- call it XL- get it, extra large ;) so the XL1000 (or XLZ-1000 if they make two versions) could be made to directly compete with the FZ1000.

I'd make it with a 1" sensor 12 MP lens would be 25-500mm f/2.8-5.6

If they wanted to make a small zoom version for street shooters use the same sensor as above with a constant f/2.8 20-100mm lens, call that one the XLS-1000.

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It really depends on what you consider small sensor vs moderate or large......to me anything 1/2" or smaller should be considered a small sensor, 1/1.8" to 2/3" should be considered a moderate sized sensor, 1" to APS should be considered a medium sized sensor and full frame or larger should be considered a large sensor. It can be argued that 1/2" EXR should be put in the moderate class because of its higher dynamic range and better noise profile than conventional sensors of that size. Likewise a 2/3" EXR sensor could be put in the medium class.

Keep in mind that as technology changes the image quality changes, a 1/2" sensor today (especially an EXR) gives you the image quality of a 2/3" sensor from half a dozen years ago.
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Oh yes, I agree that's why I put 1" to APS in the same category. 2/3" sensors are a lot closer to 1/1.7" and 1/1.8" sensors than they are to 1" sensors.

If you want to create a tiered system what you could do is make the 1" sensor the "superzoom" sensor of the medium (enthusiast) tier, just like the 1/2.3" to 1/2" sensors are the "superzoom" sensor of the lower tier. My ideal vision of the medium tier would have 1" sensors paired with superzoom lenses of 20x to 30x and m 4/3" sensors paired with "wide zoom" lenses of 3x to 5x.

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I guess not a surprise on this forum. I think it has been said before, that there is no perfect camera. For what it is, I appreciate the incremental improvements. Would I have liked a 1" sensor, of course, but only if the whole package was the same size. Ditto for better high ISO performance. But better view finder, reportedly faster auto focus, improved AWB, vastly improved battery life, I won't scoff at those. Articulated rear screen is nice. It is understandable if these improvements are not great enough to get one to upgrade from a current favorite, but for those in a different upgrade cycle, it may be perfect. Maybe some of the criticism stems from a love for Fujifilm and a concern that this little model is a sign of its eminent demise. I'm not convinced that this package cannot compete among its peers. I'm dreaming of upgrading my X10 to an XT1, with apprehension of the increased costs and size. But maybe, I might be satisfied by an X30.
 
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