Got some NX1 info.

I understand, thanks mate!

I suppose the small flange distance makes the Sony E mount attractive, especially for adapting the leica lenses, but (and please correct me if Im wrong), this also makes the lenses hard to design hence why there has been quite a multitude of only decent lenses for the E mount?

mauni said:

Did your source clearly mention "APS-C" ? I'm asking, because lately in german forums the fullframe-question has been discussed again. Initiated by a statement from a serious website, that the EX-S 16-50mm F2.0-F2.8 is reckoned for fullframe:

http://www.netzwelt.de/news/144581_5-photokina-2014-rumors-kameraneuheiten-fotomesse.html#Samsung

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A nest of FF is not NX1. (wink)

dka91 said:

Erm a little defensive don't you think?

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About what? You mentioned FF and I gave you excellent advice.

dka91 said:

I wasn't asking for full frame, nor demanding it, I was just pursuing an interesting avenue of conversation,

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So am I.

dka91 said:

but Im glad you like your NX, I enjoy using my NX300 and the 85mm is one of the best lenses mirror leas has to offer.

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redcrow said:

I got some information about NX1 from my source.

• NX1 will be announced in Photokina 2014.
• 2nd generation of PD AF. It will be interesting to see how it will perform compared to A6000.
• Totally new sensor and engine. Significant improved IQ.

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Hello redcrow,

First of all, thank for sharing!

Are you able to "rank" how reliable your source is ? Was he/she right in the past?

I'm asking because these information where provided from mirrorlessrumors a few weeks ago.

Maybe he has the same informations and so he confirmed the specs from mirrorlessrumors or maybe he just repeating what he had read at mirrorlessrumors.

Best Regards!

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cyco2,

I have no idea who the source of mirrorlessrumors rumor is.

The information is from reliable source.

Ok..well by your tone you seem annoyed;

"Want full frame? Go Nikon. Don 't wait for the wheel to be reinvented."

I mentioned full frame and how it would be good, but never said I wanted it. You then told me to go Nikon, in a confrontational sounding way and then procceeded to tell me how the NX mount fulfills your needs, again as if I was slighting the Samsung NX by what I said.

If I sounded like I was insulting Samsung my apologies. It is correct that FF is not essential, but would it be cool to have? Definately, do I want to see it? why not.....

All that said, the wheel being re-invented sounds far harder than getting a full frame sensor into an NX body ;-)

dka91 said:

Ok..well by your tone you seem annoyed;

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The tone is within your perception, not my words.

dka91 said:

"Want full frame? Go Nikon. Don 't wait for the wheel to be reinvented."

I mentioned full frame and how it would be good, but never said I wanted it. You then told me to go Nikon, in a confrontational sounding way and then procceeded to tell me how the NX mount fulfills your needs, again as if I was slighting the Samsung NX by what I said.

If I sounded like I was insulting Samsung my apologies.

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I am the last person that would worry about a camera company being insulted, or even my being insulted because I use a particular brand of camera.

dka91 said:

It is correct that FF is not essential, but would it be cool to have? Definately, do I want to see it? why not.....

All that said, the wheel being re-invented sounds far harder than getting a full frame sensor into an NX body ;-)

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Thank you for the exchange of ideas.

you not lose anything. it is different niche market in camera that target pro market that Samsung might want to consider adding. Samsung does not have camera that cover that market area.

Raw Jaw said:

dka91 said:

Hmm Viking, so from your implications is full frame possible with the NX mount then?

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Want full frame? Go Nikon. Don 't wait for the wheel to be reinvented.

I came to NX from Nikon and am very happy here for my needs at the NX price point, NX IQ, and weight savings, plus WiFi, etc.,etc.

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dka91, Go Nikon? Nikon1 is not FullFrame(36x24mm)...

And BTW the only FullFrame mirrorless comes from Sony not Nikon.

Sony is only one make mirrorless FF? Really? Since when?

I shoot landscape alongside a Sony 99 shooter and a D800 shooter and unless you want a print the size of a house or you want to shoot in near darkness you cannot tell on the Web the difference between there work and mine . I would even go toe to toe with them up to A3 print size. I always had this FF bug but shooting alongside FF users has made me realise I don't need it . So bring on the NX1 , just how the hell am I going to get it past the wife.
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redcrow said:

The information is from reliable source.

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This is what I wanna read ;-)



As soon as you receive any new information, please inform us



Thanks for your investigation!

of course. purchase depends on one's needs. the consideration of FF or larger plays a role when user needs it. general rule is when big print size is considered, FF or larger will always have advantage. and only consider this if you really using it which pro most likely do. the apparent MP race even further gives more reason for pro to consider format.

personally, picture quality is only secondary when compared since I do not really shoot more at High ISO. main reason why I use FF is 35mm FOV which is cropped away with APS-C and equivalence is not really equivalent with lens. for me, using FF is more natural and gives more headroom for composition. something that APS-C do not offer. APS-H is manageable in my experience.

now question of my feeling if NX1 is APS-C? I do not care but make sure picture quality has dramatic improvement and AF is now capable of action photography. does 28MP important for me? not really but I would welcome if picture quality is up to it and not create problem. but I would be thrilled with an APS-H.

jennyrae said:

of course. purchase depends on one's needs. the consideration of FF or larger plays a role when user needs it. general rule is when big print size is considered, FF or larger will always have advantage. and only consider this if you really using it which pro most likely do. the apparent MP race even further gives more reason for pro to consider format.

personally, picture quality is only secondary when compared since I do not really shoot more at High ISO. main reason why I use FF is 35mm FOV which is cropped away with APS-C and equivalence is not really equivalent with lens. for me, using FF is more natural and gives more headroom for composition. something that APS-C do not offer. APS-H is manageable in my experience.

now question of my feeling if NX1 is APS-C? I do not care but make sure picture quality has dramatic improvement and AF is now capable of action photography. does 28MP important for me? not really but I would welcome if picture quality is up to it and not create problem. but I would be thrilled with an APS-H.

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jennyrae said:

personally, picture quality is only secondary when compared since I do not really shoot more at High ISO. main reason why I use FF is 35mm FOV which is cropped away with APS-C and equivalence is not really equivalent with lens.

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OK but it is not a reason to make FF camera.

If Samsung wiil make a lens 23 mm/F1 it will be the same as your 35/F1,4 FF.

Of course today we have no equivalents for FF lenses.

Zoom 16/50 F2-F2,8 can replace FF zoom 24-70/F2,8-F4.

Another thing are technical differences.

In general FF sensor delivers or more resolution or better DR/lower noise.

DX sensor is twice smaller so must be done in better technology or use faster lenses (about 1EV) to work on lower ISO and achive also smal DOF.

If very small DOF is not needed than there is no special reason to use FF.

A think for amateur more important is smaller size.

Last time I use much more often small compact Panasonic LX7 than NX10 camera.

I have in the pocket wider range of focal lenghts and macro.

The quality? Yes A3 is perfect quality and it is only 1/1,7 10 MP sensor.

So for me NX1 should me compact simple PASM only camera with very good EVF perfect fast AF system- you know if AF is poor than any sensor and lens will not help particulary if we use F2 or faster apertures.

I would expect also a new NX mini body (SLR styled) and megazoom lens as Panasonic FZ1000 offers.

Unfortunately, FF sensor and lenses negate the primary advantage of mirrorless crop cameras - sufficiently compact size compared to SLRs, while your only gain is better IQ. And better SNR, which is important part of it, is negated by generally slower apertures of the same-sized, same-priced lenses both due to too thin DoF and design constraints.

Ashuaria Lee said:

Raw Jaw said:

dka91 said:

Hmm Viking, so from your implications is full frame possible with the NX mount then?

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Want full frame? Go Nikon. Don 't wait for the wheel to be reinvented.

I came to NX from Nikon and am very happy here for my needs at the NX price point, NX IQ, and weight savings, plus WiFi, etc.,etc.

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dka91, Go Nikon? Nikon1 is not FullFrame(36x24mm)...

And BTW the only FullFrame mirrorless comes from Sony not Nikon.

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FF and Mirrorless are two separate issues in this thread.

Nikon D800 series is FF.

Yes, for FF go Nikon. Canon has AF issues and Sony always abandons a camera after a while.

This thread involves mounts and sensor size, not the Mirrorless side of things.

Samsung would be foolish to go FF imo.

@chris62 ; you hit the nail on the head.

Hmm I suppose you could say that, but the FF series from Sony have proved this is not necessarily true.

Firstly to be clear, once we move into fast zoom lenses then the size advantage of mirrorless is negated heavily by the FF sensor (atleast from observation), but as you can see with Sony it is certainly possible to design very compact bodies, and small but fast prime lenses.

For many having the option of going ultra small with a little prime lens is such a draw, and I used that as a counter argument against M43 guys that said APSC is pointless and too big, but something like an Nx300 and a 30mm f2 or 45mm 1.8 is still tiny (comparatively).

But the funny thing is APSC is most certainly enough for most, and FF is probably largely unnecessary for the majority; but it cannot be denied that it is possible to go really small with mirrorless full frame if someone respects the limitations (i.e. mainly prime lenses).

Xoden said:

Unfortunately, FF sensor and lenses negate the primary advantage of mirrorless crop cameras - sufficiently compact size compared to SLRs, while your only gain is better IQ. And better SNR, which is important part of it, is negated by generally slower apertures of the same-sized, same-priced lenses both due to too thin DoF and design constraints.

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First as has been mentioned the A7 proves this isn't true.



Second.
This fallacy needs to end.



Mirrorless Cameras are a system that allows you to have compact size if you desire but still gives you the ability to have the power of a DSLR.



f2.8 lens can't be made compact, but I know professionals that love the idea of being able to have a more compact size when they want it, with all the power of the bigger lens and the FF sensor.



the same is true of the APS-C Mirrorless. I want to have larger lens when I'm doing some of my work, people get very weirded out if I put on a 30mm prime on to do a head shot (some times you want that focal length)



But if I'm out for a walk having a light compact system is handy (particular in january in Niagara Falls during a 8 hour photowalk).




The Advantage of Mirrorless is that it can be compact and powerful. Not just Compact.



Compare the A7 with a A99, the A7 is very compact.






I don't think Samsung will produce a Full frame yet. I think at one point they planned on it. It is lens production, unless Samsung is willing to step it up with lens production, I can't see them wasting money on yet another system, that is a niche market. (Rich folks, and pros)



A pro quality APS-C is more likely (I hope), I don't put anything past Samsung though, it is their company they can produce anything they want.

no. this is not true. FF does not negate anything but offer something that APS-C is limited at doing. field depth is not concern but is in fact reason why people buy into FF. but need to remember that FF is not for everyone but only for capable people that need it. is shallowness a problem? No. person must know right shooting distance for subject to get in focus, also use flash.

I not know what design constraint you are talking about but I have RX1 and have tried A7/R. so anything you refer to is not true. lenses are getting smaller and can be smaller and it is proven. I think pentax started that trend with pancakes.

if go way back, even legacy lenses are small. Leicas and Minoltas have small lenses for FF.

I think people should take notice of this misconception about FF. maybe some people created a stigma and false impression that FF is like 1D or 5D size and with "L" lens.

point, FF is niche market and not for everybody. if no use for it and cannot handle camera and do not know what you are getting, DO NOT BUY. I find it funny some people try to downplay FF unnecessarily just to justify APS-C.