Coming from Micro 4/3, is it worth it for wildlife?

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When I felt like I had outgrown my point & shoot, I upgraded to an Olympus E-M10 micro 4/3 camera. I'm now wondering if I went in the right direction, or if an aps-c would've been a better option.

Wildlife/Nature/Birds are by far my main photographic interest. With that in mind I went with a 75-300mm lens (600mm FF equivalent, longest currently available for M4/3), and for reference the camera has a 16mp sensor. One of the great positives about it is that it's surprisingly easy to hand hold at 300mm. However a big negative is the continuous autofocus (the equivalent of Canon's Servo AF) is terrible when it comes to small fast moving targets - which of course are a big part of my kind of photography.

Also, even at 300mm, more often than not I end up cropping photos (no teleconverter is available), so that 16mp image often ends up as 4mp-6mp, which has been a bit limiting when I've come to print things out.

And lastly for nature photography, where small details can make a big difference, I've found 800iso to be my preferred upper limit for preserving maximum detail. Not ideal here in the almost always cloudy north of England...

Basically, I have been wondering if it would be worth changing to a Canon 70D with either the 100-400mm or 400mm prime lens.

In theory it seems I'd get:

- Faster AF speed (particularly Servo AF for birds in flight)

- Potentially longer reach, either with teleconverter or availability of longer lenses

- higher mp images to crop from (20mp@640mm FF equiv vs. 16mp@600mm FF equiv)

- Better noise performance allowing a higher iso

And in theory the downsides are:

- Bigger/heavier system. Not too fussed about this as I'm young and fit, and the E-M10 with long lens is far from pocketable already.

- Hassle/financial loss of selling the M4/3 gear, as I couldn't justify owning both.

Here are a few photos I've taken with the E-M10 to give an idea of A: the type of photos I take, and B: the image quality I'm getting:



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My gut feeling is that if I could go back in time, I would buy the 70D instead of the E-M10. However since I can't do that, I'm left with the question of is it worth changing systems now, with all the hassle that entails, or would I not see a big enough difference in the useability of the cameras/quality of the output to justify the change?

Ultimately only I can answer that definitively, but I would really appreciate some insight on the matter from those with more experience!
 
Wildlife/Nature/Birds are by far my main photographic interest.
Mine too. I'm also a macro addict! :-)
Basically, I have been wondering if it would be worth changing to a Canon 70D with either the 100-400mm or 400mm prime lens.
The zoom and the prime are both excellent lenses, but they are quite a bit different in use. I'd give the edge to the 400 f/5.6 in terms of both IQ and autofocus. That said, the zoom is much more versatile of course, and a lot of fun to boot. But when I'm going after birds, I'll take the 400 prime almost every time.

In theory it seems I'd get:

- Faster AF speed (particularly Servo AF for birds in flight)
The 70D and 400 f/5.6 will lock focus very quickly, and the AI Servo will track focus (at 7 FPS) if you keep on target. The OVF will help you along those lines too.

- Potentially longer reach, either with teleconverter or availability of longer lenses
I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 70D and 400 f/5.6 would AF with my Tamron 1.4x (non-reporting) TC in good light (AF success depends on body, lens, and TC used). Well enough for BIFs even. I have some samples here (click on "original" for large images)...

http://www.pbase.com/jekyll_and_hyde/with_teleconverter

- higher mp images to crop from (20mp@640mm FF equiv vs. 16mp@600mm FF equiv)
I've found that the improved IQ (vs Canon's 18 MP sensors) lets me crop further into an image. Very useful. Here's a full sized image (no noise reduction applied). You can get an idea of the potential. Click on "original"...

http://www.pbase.com/jekyll_and_hyde/image/154573187/original

- Better noise performance allowing a higher iso
Scrutinizing the images you posted (and some of the one's in your other posts), I think you'll make gains at both high ISOs and low. I have other samples that you can evaluate in my galleries also. There are some 100% crops in there (click on "original")...

http://www.pbase.com/jekyll_and_hyde

Some nice shots you've posted, BTW. We share a lot of the same interests.
My gut feeling is that if I could go back in time, I would buy the 70D instead of the E-M10. However since I can't do that, I'm left with the question of is it worth changing systems now, with all the hassle that entails, or would I not see a big enough difference in the useability of the cameras/quality of the output to justify the change?
The No BS answer is that I think you'd do very well with the Canon 70D and lens of your choice (Did I mention that I just love that 400 prime, hint hint :-) ).

Ultimately only I can answer that definitively, but I would really appreciate some insight on the matter from those with more experience!
Hope this helps. Give a holler if you'd like some more info.

Best of luck,

R2
 
Your images are lovely. I do think the 70D with a 400mm would make it much easier to capture wildlife and birds. The focus speed, tracking and frame rate are definitely an advantage. I am not a fan of the 100-400 but love my 70-300L. It is light, sharp and fast to lock on focus. I also have the 400mm prime and love it for birds.
 
When I felt like I had outgrown my point & shoot, I upgraded to an Olympus E-M10 micro 4/3 camera. I'm now wondering if I went in the right direction, or if an aps-c would've been a better option.

Wildlife/Nature/Birds are by far my main photographic interest. With that in mind I went with a 75-300mm lens (600mm FF equivalent, longest currently available for M4/3), and for reference the camera has a 16mp sensor. One of the great positives about it is that it's surprisingly easy to hand hold at 300mm. However a big negative is the continuous autofocus (the equivalent of Canon's Servo AF) is terrible when it comes to small fast moving targets - which of course are a big part of my kind of photography.

Also, even at 300mm, more often than not I end up cropping photos (no teleconverter is available), so that 16mp image often ends up as 4mp-6mp, which has been a bit limiting when I've come to print things out.

And lastly for nature photography, where small details can make a big difference, I've found 800iso to be my preferred upper limit for preserving maximum detail. Not ideal here in the almost always cloudy north of England...

Basically, I have been wondering if it would be worth changing to a Canon 70D with either the 100-400mm or 400mm prime lens.
... the Tamron 150-600mm f5-6.3 USD VC. It will bring you the reach you seemingly are after (600 x 1.6 = 960mm max).


 
Thanks for the replies.

R2D2, some great images on your site. I particularly liked the North American Kestrel - not only because it's a great photo, but I was really impressed with the detail retained at 800 iso.

The only thing that concerns me about the 400mm prime is the lack of image stabilization. I much prefer shooting hand held, and obviously the 70D would lack the built in stabilization of the E-M10. I know for a fast shutter speed with a moving target that's not much of a concern. But for stationary targets how slow a shutter speed would you comfortably go to?

brightcolours, that Tamron lens does look rather interesting. I'd certainly give it some thought if I did end up switching systems.
 
Well I have the Canon 7D and have used just about every long lens on it, including the Sigma 50-500 / 120-300 / Canon 100-400 and Canon 300/400mm primes. you can't beat the tracking and focus speed of the 7D, it locks on and you can follow your subject without loosing sight of it.

This being said I did pick up a Panasonic G5 and the 100-300 panasonic lens. This was a great combo and I was very very satisfied with the image quality. I picked this up because I did not want to haul my SLR and lenses around, not to mention the tripod and gimbal head you will surly want after a few outings with the larger gear.

For still images and even slightly moving subjects the M4/3 Pano did just fine! but for birds in flight, sports, or even getting your kids buggy boarding, nothing matches the APS-C SLR.

So I guess you have to ask yourself if you can live with the lighter not as capable M4/3 or if you want to hump around big glass and big SLR to most defenetly get some shots you would otherwise miss with a M4/3

I have them both and love them both, but lean towards my 7D when I can't afford to miss a shot.

Good Luck.
 
You seem to be doing very well with what you have.

I'm not sure that increase AF capability will outweigh the reduction in reach (assuming the Canon max is 400mm).

It might be useful to have a Canon to complement your existing camera with regards to BIF.

Which Canon? I don't know until the much wanted 7D2 is announced.
 
Hi I've just come from a m4/3 system a Panasonic G6, which performed great. However with the poor choice of quality long zooms, i decide to change systems and i'm so glad i did.

Just got my 70d with Canon 70-300mm L zoom last week . All i can say is WOW ! what a complete difference, its like night and day. The Canon Zoom is a revaluation, the quality of the images is so much better that the m4/3 stuff

Heres a couple of examples of the 70-300mm lens in action

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You seem to be doing very well with what you have.

I'm not sure that increase AF capability will outweigh the reduction in reach (assuming the Canon max is 400mm).
Huh? How is 400mm on APS-C worse than 300mm on MFT? And the Tamron offers 600mm.
It might be useful to have a Canon to complement your existing camera with regards to BIF.

Which Canon? I don't know until the much wanted 7D2 is announced.
The 70D.
 
R2D2, some great images on your site. I particularly liked the North American Kestrel - not only because it's a great photo, but I was really impressed with the detail retained at 800 iso.
Many thanks! It's the only one I've managed to get a picture of!
The only thing that concerns me about the 400mm prime is the lack of image stabilization. I much prefer shooting hand held...

I know for a fast shutter speed with a moving target that's not much of a concern. But for stationary targets how slow a shutter speed would you comfortably go to?
I too shoot handheld 100% of the time. I also shoot bursts (even for still subjects) and cherry pick the best. I call it "Poor Man's Image Stabilization" and I gain about two stops on average. I can confidently shoot to about 1/100 second with the 400 (unsupported).

Here's one at 1/100 sec (cropped a bit)...

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click "original size" to show larger samples...

The 100% crop here...

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I've even done BIFs after sunset (keeper percentage of course is pretty low)...

http://www.pbase.com/jekyll_and_hyde/low_light_ospreys

A lot does depend on your technique. And the weight of the lens helps. IS would help even further (I can shoot to about 1/30 sec with my 300 f/4L IS)...

1/20 sec with the 300 f/4L IS (cropped a bit)

1/20 sec with the 300 f/4L IS (cropped a bit)

100% crop here...

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The higher the shutter speeds, the better though. I always recommend seeking the good light for BIFs especially (at least for starters).

Holler if you have any more questions!

R2

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Good judgment comes from experience.
Experience comes from bad judgment.
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