Kingfisher RAW D/L, show us your result. Anything goes.

you capture so much flipping detail. This starts to get into the territory of "heavy crop"

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They're small, but every now and again I'll make up a set of notecards with 5 x 3/12 images on an appropriate matte. These have enough structure to hold up.
You would not believe it !!!

I have a folder I call "Heavy crops" and its a folder I keep if people ask how good the lenses and sensor are, guess what's in that folder ;-) ....



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:-) :-)

Great minds think alike or we are both sick :-) Nice work and it is a sharp set up.

All the best and amazed to see your crops.

Danny.



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Jack,

if you took the same image with your V3 - 70-300mm do you think your crop would hold up for an 8 1/2 x 11 print? If it would, my A77-Minolta 400mm would probably be on its way to a new home on Monday.
Jack and I have been chatting about a few things with the V2 / V3 and I've been following Jack's shots on the Nikon 1 forum here. Its impressive and the fast AF would be a bonus. The thing is, the Nikon 1 has that cropping factor which is really like a focal reach and the new 100-300 for it, is top notch. I got Jack to send me a RAW of a Heron in flight, excellent and the zoom had no CA anywhere near it. Very storng performance.

So now we have the focal reach of the crop factor vs a crop after. That's the tough one to answer. We need the cropping for a BIF, very hard to get a full frame shot of a BIF and its actually the last thing we want. We need the room to be able to find the darn things in the EVF :-)

I've also seen the RAW from this shot from Derek in there ....


Now Derek used a Nikkor 500 F/4 on that shot ;-) its sharp, but its also a very close shot. Virtually no cropping that shot.

All the best and yep, its a very interesting system that one.

Danny.
 
Jack,

if you took the same image with your V3 - 70-300mm do you think your crop would hold up for an 8 1/2 x 11 print? If it would, my A77-Minolta 400mm would probably be on its way to a new home on Monday.
D Williams,

Now that is a tough question.

My first reaction is:

1. From a MP point of view it would be close. Danny's 24MP file at equiv 750mm with the APS-C sensor was a 5.9 MP image after cropping (or a little over 1500mm equiv). A V3 18MP file with the CX sensor shot at 810mm would be around 5.2 MP to get to the 1500mm equiv. My guess is both files would print very well at 8x10.

2. But only in very good light! Danny's shot was at ISO100 and the best the V3 could do would be ISO 160. And the APS-C sensor has far less noise than the CX. On a cloudy day, the ISO difference would show up and the Nex 7 file would print better for sure.

3. The other factor is the focus issue. Danny's MF technique is unique and extraordinary. Trying to match that with an AF system is a challenge. The Nikon 1, from what we have seen in our recent tests with the V2/V3, would outperform the A77 AF system (we had one for a couple weeks prior to the A77m2 release). We then had a A77m2 for a brief time and my sense is that it may very well be a better AF for BIF than the N1. If you couple your slightly faster Minolta 400mm (f4.5) with the A77m2, you may well have a better birding setup for AF than the V3/70-300CX (f5.6). We were going that route until the size/weight issue "pulled us back to earth".

Looking at your gear list, I would seriously think about renting a N1 system for a week or two before selling anything!

Interesting question, for sure!

Good luck . . .

Jack
 
nzmacro wrote

...... or we are both sick :-)
I like to think that I'm no worse that borderline masochist. I feel compelled to point out, however that in addition to having whatever I have, you insist on focusing by hand.;-)
 
Nice Shot.. Here's my version..

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I'm liking the verticals in here Mike. Its not a way my head will work half the time, so this is great to see. Very nicely done and very natural.

All the best Mike and thanks for the time. We should have a few more of these from different people. Love seeing what others come up with.

Danny.

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Thanks for your kind words Danny :)

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Added saturation, backed off the sharpening and brought out more detail in the eye.
 
nzmacro said:
So for a bit of fun .... maybe, here's a RAW of a Kingfisher shot taken with the NEX-7 and the Canon FD 500 F/4.5L. Be interesting to see what you do with it. Its in a zip file and anything goes with how you decide to process it with whatever you choose. Crop it, boost it, whatever you want.

Danny.
Hi Danny, interesting challenge.

See my attempt below - a bit hasty and crude (spent only about 15min), but you get the general idea - with a little bit more care this is what I would aim for:







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It's a bit intimidating attempting to PP one of your photos Danny. Like walking on holy ground. A side note, which adapter are you using on your FD lenses?



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I've tried to keep colours natural using my 500L and NEX-7 colour profile in sunlight.
What did you use for sharpening?

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Just off to work and I'll get back for a few replies after work.

Fun exercise and quite a few I have never even thought of doing, I've learn't a lot to be honest with you. Very interesting.

Anyway, here's what I came up with for that shot, think I posted it awhile ago......



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So a little cloning and lightened up the eye a little, boost in contrast which I'm guilty of a fair bit, but trying not to over do it.

So looking at the verticals in here and even the mirrored shot Henry, its been very interesting thanks.

All the best and I'll get back here after work.

Danny.

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I just went back and looked at my last kingfisher from 6/28.. I had the 'big' 1758 on a 55210.. I like your lens better..



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Just off to work and I'll get back for a few replies after work.

Fun exercise and quite a few I have never even thought of doing, I've learn't a lot to be honest with you. Very interesting.

Anyway, here's what I came up with for that shot, think I posted it awhile ago......

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So a little cloning and lightened up the eye a little, boost in contrast which I'm guilty of a fair bit, but trying not to over do it.

So looking at the verticals in here and even the mirrored shot Henry, its been very interesting thanks.

All the best and I'll get back here after work.

Danny.

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Superb. I like your shot, and post processing technique. Looks natural.
 
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Think its hard to PP wildlife without knowing what it looks like in real life. You run the risk of over processing it or making it look unnatural. But here's my try:

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I know what you mean, but tell you what, you nailed it ;-) Exactly what they look like in the colour department. Its the size I don't think a lot realise, these are the same size as a Sparrow, a little bigger than a Swallow but not by much.
thanks, I know what they look like somewhat. The size is my biggest grief as I struggle getting close to my kingfishers. At the moment everything is over grown and I'll have to wait for autumn when all the leaves fall. This is as far as got before spring:

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I will try to get closer this season again.
All the best and thanks, that is the correct colours, very nice.

Danny.

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D Williams,

We went from a Nikon d7000/80-400 kit to the Nex system because of the weight. We will keep the A6k/SEL lenses for most of our shooting. But the V2/3 will be the BIF setup . . . again, just because of size/weight.

Your plan sounds logical . . . enjoy the search!

Jack
 
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Maybe it got a little bit dark!

Fantastic photo to work with.That lens really is remarkable! thanks for lending us tour photo.



best regards from

Morten
 
So now we have the focal reach of the crop factor vs a crop after. That's the tough one to answer. We need the cropping for a BIF, very hard to get a full frame shot of a BIF and its actually the last thing we want. We need the room to be able to find the darn things in the EVF :-)
Danny,

No question the crop after option is the winner! And the longer the tele, the more this is so. Just finding a BIF looking thru a 810mm VF takes some getting used to and trying to follow it is quite a feat!

But picking a kit with size and weight AND cropability in the discussion complicates the issue . . .

My calcs on your kingfisher crop with the Nex7/Canon 500mm kit is approximately:

Nex7/500 = 5.8 MP (1500mm +/-) 8.5 Cubic Inches, 6.4 lbs

If the shot was taken with these kits, the data would look roughly like this.

V3/70-300 CX = 5.2 MP (1500mm +/-) 4.0 CI, 2.1lbs

A6k/EA2/70300G = 2.2 MP (1500mm +/-) 4.5 CI. 2.8 lbs

V2/70-300 CX = 3.9 MP (1500mm +/-) 3.0 CI, 1.8 lbs

At this point it looks like the 18 MP V3 is best trade off for us. Even though it is way over priced and a design kluge in several areas (grip/battery, microSD, external VF, grip connection, etc).

But there is no perfect solution . . . we will just keep shooting with what we have at the time.

This post was great idea! Good job!

Take care,

Jack


 

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