Canon's new DSLR to be released...

Jack & Coke · Jun 20, 2003

Ben Strasser wrote:
"Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon"

That's funny, the title "Canon's new DSLR to be released..." sure sounds like a statement/announcement...

I thought this thread was about some news... haha funny on me. I was tricked!

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Ben Strasser · Jun 20, 2003

and it is fun to speculate based on what I read here and think would be inovative. Canon will do what they want and I am sure they were developing the camera long before the 10D hit the market. If you consider that Canon is now manufacturing their own CMOS sensors, I think it is a safe assumption the new camera will have a CMOS sensor. The 1.3 and 1.6 form factor had caused a lot of confusion with the "old Pros" who relate to a given focal length lens for what it will produce. The "crop factor" and "effective focal length" has been a marketing desaster, check the threads on this forum. Hence the FF format. USB2 and the WA (write accelleration) is current technology CF card vendors currently support. With 32 and 40x CF card speeds, dumping a 10Mp image at a 8-10 frame speed is not unrealistic. Increasing the current 6.3Mp high defination sensor of the 10D to a FF sensor (24x36) when you do your own manufacturing is also not unrealistic. AF assist light, well if you have developed a camera (10D) that can shoot high ISO and reduced noise you need to focus under these low light conditions, so why not in the next generation. AF needs attention, my EOS 1 and A2E will at least edge focus and I think focus better than my 10D.

I should have added "weather shielding" to my prediction because this is a severe drawback to the EOS series cameras that don't have it. Fair weather cameras unlike the old FT, F1, A1 and AE series where you could take a picture at below zero or in a light rain or fog.

Maybe I have the answer or maybe Paul Pope has the answer or possibly someone else does but I am having fun speculating and I thought this forum would also enjoy my view. Who knows, maybe we are even skipping a generation of camera.
Enjoy.

Terry M said:
This is hilarious, or would be, if you hadn't put so much effort
into it. Now, it's just infuriating and, as one person kindly put
it, useless.

Ben Strasser said:

I have given some thought on what Canon will do this Fall and what
they will release in the DSLR line. First of all, the gap between
the 10D and the 1Ds is currently occupied by the 1D which is the
oldest version in their current series and I feel will be replaced.
I feel the replacement will be positioned between the 10D and the
1Ds. Hear is the way it will go:

Canon releases the latest in their series of DSLR cameras, the
10Ds. Built on the proven 10D body with Digic processor and FF
sensor. The new camera will have a 10M pixel full frame sensor
based on the current 6.5M pixel sensor in the 10D. The buffer will
be expanded to 12 frames as it's bigger brother the 1Ds. The
inbuilt flash will be replaced by a new IR-AF focus light to
accomodate low lighting situations. Improved AF focusing with a
weighted center AE AF sensor. Seven AF focus points will remain
and will be selectable manually and automatically in Auto DoF mode.
Improved USB2 interface. WA or Write Accelleration will be
supported on the new camera. Suggested retail price will be $3000.
Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon. I guess we can all dream.

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MLynnL · Jun 20, 2003

How do we know this? Has Canon made a press release or something that I wasn’t aware of?

Thanks,

Greg

hyslopc said:
There will be two new cameras: a 1D replacement, and a new camera
that sits between the 1D and 1Ds, possibly called the 3D. Both
will have CMOS sensors. The 3D will probably have a 1.3x FOV, and
will be 9MP, 4fps.

Ben Strasser · Jun 20, 2003

Mishkin said:
are running around the world, delivering your speculations to
millions of homes.

NONE of them carries useful information.

Whatever will be, will be.

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Ben Strasser · Jun 20, 2003

I should have worded it differently but the consensus is that Canon will introduce a new DSLR this year. (I geuss we all expect that) I guess I am a dreamer. It was fun to think what Canon could do to meet my expectations and maybe others.

Jack & Coke said:
Ben Strasser wrote:

"Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon"

That's funny, the title "Canon's new DSLR to be released..." sure
sounds like a statement/announcement...

I thought this thread was about some news... haha funny on me. I
was tricked!

--
Jack & Coke

Ben Strasser · Jun 20, 2003

Ben Strasser said:
I have given some thought on what Canon will do this Fall and what
they will release in the DSLR line. First of all, the gap between
the 10D and the 1Ds is currently occupied by the 1D which is the
oldest version in their current series and I feel will be replaced.
I feel the replacement will be positioned between the 10D and the
1Ds. Hear is the way it will go:

Canon releases the latest in their series of DSLR cameras, the
10Ds. Built on the proven 10D body with Digic processor and FF
sensor. The new camera will have a 10M pixel full frame sensor
based on the current 6.5M pixel sensor in the 10D. The buffer will
be expanded to 12 frames as it's bigger brother the 1Ds. The
inbuilt flash will be replaced by a new IR-AF focus light to
accomodate low lighting situations. Improved AF focusing with a
weighted center AE AF sensor. Seven AF focus points will remain
and will be selectable manually and automatically in Auto DoF mode.
Improved USB2 interface. WA or Write Accelleration will be
supported on the new camera. Suggested retail price will be $3000.
Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon. I guess we can all dream.

Ben Strasser · Jun 20, 2003

Ben Strasser said:
Ben Strasser said:

I have given some thought on what Canon will do this Fall and what
they will release in the DSLR line. First of all, the gap between
the 10D and the 1Ds is currently occupied by the 1D which is the
oldest version in their current series and I feel will be replaced.
I feel the replacement will be positioned between the 10D and the
1Ds. Hear is the way it will go:

Canon releases the latest in their series of DSLR cameras, the
10Ds. Built on the proven 10D body with Digic processor and FF
sensor. The new camera will have a 10M pixel full frame sensor
based on the current 6.5M pixel sensor in the 10D. The buffer will
be expanded to 12 frames as it's bigger brother the 1Ds. The
inbuilt flash will be replaced by a new IR-AF focus light to
accomodate low lighting situations. Improved AF focusing with a
weighted center AE AF sensor. Seven AF focus points will remain
and will be selectable manually and automatically in Auto DoF mode.
Improved USB2 interface. WA or Write Accelleration will be
supported on the new camera. Suggested retail price will be $3000.
Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon. I guess we can all dream.

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dr_nikon · Jun 20, 2003

10Ds ??
Where did you get story/info?

Ben Strasser · Jun 20, 2003

Well, I know you didn't read all of my post because the last thing I said was "Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based on any information from Canon. I guess we can all dream."

Why would Canon go into the CMOS manufacturing business if they didn't think they had a better way of making a digital camera CMOS sensor or bigger CMOS sensors. (ie. 10Mb)

They designed the Digic processor that outperforms what is on the market as far as sensor interpolation.
Canon already has better AF systems on much older equipment.
The 1D has been out for a while even though it fits nicely into a nitch market.

The improved high ISO performance and reduced noise lends itself to low available light photography but the current AF system cannot handle the low light that the camera is capable of.

Write Accelleration is available on high end CF cards but not the cameras as yet. USB2 is also available but not on the current Canons.

The inbuilt flash is of no use for most photography so why not replace it with an AF emiter or a ST-E2.

So based on all this and what I want in a camera, why not speculate. My guess for the new camera is as good as anyones. 10Ds? no rationalle at all, it may be a 1Dn, a 3D or even a 100D for all I know

dr_nikon said:
10Ds ??
Where did you get story/info?

dr_nikon · Jun 20, 2003

Oh I see... just wish

Ben Strasser wrote:
..... I guess we can all dream."

bimmerman · Jun 21, 2003

Yup, all plastic including the lens mount. 5MP and sell for US$800.

Mount a heavy L lens and the camera disintegrates in your hand! Has happened before in the Rebel series!

Ben Strasser said:
I have given some thought on what Canon will do this Fall and what
they will release in the DSLR line. First of all, the gap between
the 10D and the 1Ds is currently occupied by the 1D which is the
oldest version in their current series and I feel will be replaced.
I feel the replacement will be positioned between the 10D and the
1Ds. Hear is the way it will go:

Canon releases the latest in their series of DSLR cameras, the
10Ds. Built on the proven 10D body with Digic processor and FF
sensor. The new camera will have a 10M pixel full frame sensor
based on the current 6.5M pixel sensor in the 10D. The buffer will
be expanded to 12 frames as it's bigger brother the 1Ds. The
inbuilt flash will be replaced by a new IR-AF focus light to
accomodate low lighting situations. Improved AF focusing with a
weighted center AE AF sensor. Seven AF focus points will remain
and will be selectable manually and automatically in Auto DoF mode.
Improved USB2 interface. WA or Write Accelleration will be
supported on the new camera. Suggested retail price will be $3000.
Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon. I guess we can all dream.

David Iliff · Jun 21, 2003

I really don't think that the 'crop factor' has been a marketing disaster - if anything it is probably a good marketing point.. most naive people would love to think that they get some extra magnification for 'free'

. I think it is simply that a lot people miss the wide angles, or more to the point don't enjoy forking out for the top end ultra-wide angles to get an effective 25-30mm wide angle, and ending up with a slightly more ordinary photo than they would otherwise have got using the same with a middle of the range standard zoom lens.

Ben Strasser said:
Terry M said:

This is hilarious, or would be, if you hadn't put so much effort
into it. Now, it's just infuriating and, as one person kindly put
it, useless.

Ben Strasser said:

I have given some thought on what Canon will do this Fall and what
they will release in the DSLR line. First of all, the gap between
the 10D and the 1Ds is currently occupied by the 1D which is the
oldest version in their current series and I feel will be replaced.
I feel the replacement will be positioned between the 10D and the
1Ds. Hear is the way it will go:

Canon releases the latest in their series of DSLR cameras, the
10Ds. Built on the proven 10D body with Digic processor and FF
sensor. The new camera will have a 10M pixel full frame sensor
based on the current 6.5M pixel sensor in the 10D. The buffer will
be expanded to 12 frames as it's bigger brother the 1Ds. The
inbuilt flash will be replaced by a new IR-AF focus light to
accomodate low lighting situations. Improved AF focusing with a
weighted center AE AF sensor. Seven AF focus points will remain
and will be selectable manually and automatically in Auto DoF mode.
Improved USB2 interface. WA or Write Accelleration will be
supported on the new camera. Suggested retail price will be $3000.
Please understand this is a guess on my part and in no way is based
on any information from Canon. I guess we can all dream.

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Adam-T · Jun 21, 2003

bimmerman said:
Mount a heavy L lens and the camera disintegrates in your hand! Has
happened before in the Rebel series!

Canon have given up on plastic lens mounts on the Rebels, witness the Ti ..

as for a plastic lens mount Rebel with L glass on, been there, done it, wasn't too confident about it either, this is with just the 28-70L on , I used the 400 F5.6 on it as well ;-)

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bimmerman · Jun 21, 2003

should have a warning to younger readers like Vince Fisher not to try it at home!

TangoMan · Jun 21, 2003

bimmerman said:
should have a warning to younger readers like Vince Fisher not to
try it at home!

Back in film days, you could get maximum quality with a great lense and a great film + film holder with a shutter (camera body) Who cares about the body features when you use manual mode and manual focus all the time? To me, the lighter is the better (but hold that lens, not the body!)

TM

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Adam-T · Jun 22, 2003

TangoMan said:
Back in film days, you could get maximum quality with a great lense
and a great film + film holder with a shutter (camera body)

That combo in that pic had Velvia in it at the time, it would toast a 1VHS with a 28-90 on and loaded with Max Spielmann ASA200 of course, but I wasn't happy hanging it off my shoulder and never did,

I remember the look of horror I got from an Elan-7E owner who was using a bundle 28-90 and was opening a Jessops ASA400 film packet (not much better than Max's 3 for £5 rubbish) - I had the 400 F5.6 on that Rebel at the time LOL ..

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Ashley Cheng · Jun 22, 2003

Adam-T said:
Adam-T said:

Back in film days, you could get maximum quality with a great lense
and a great film + film holder with a shutter (camera body)

Click to expand...

That combo in that pic had Velvia in it at the time, it would toast
a 1VHS with a 28-90 on and loaded with Max Spielmann ASA200 of
course, but I wasn't happy hanging it off my shoulder and never did,

I remember the look of horror I got from an Elan-7E owner who was
using a bundle 28-90 and was opening a Jessops ASA400 film packet
(not much better than Max's 3 for £5 rubbish) - I had the 400 F5.6
on that Rebel at the time LOL ..

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Rune Moberg · Jun 22, 2003

koalafarm said:
That is your opinion.
Even if one likes cats - they are useless.

Well, atleast cats themselves are useful: boat fenders, stick shift covers, fur coats, food (probably tastes just fine with a little gravy), makeshift geiger counters, slippers and alligator bait.

Picture of cats? I dunno. Why would I want a picture of a boat fender?

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hyslopc · Jun 22, 2003

I repeated what Paul Pope posted here previously. He knows people inside Canon, and has gotten pretty much every other other Canon DSLR spot-on well before it was released, so I believe him. That was quite a while ago now, and things could change certainly change, but until Paul posts an update here, that's as close as we can get to the truth.

hyslopc · Jun 22, 2003

I'm not really guessing much - more repeating what Paul Pope posted here previously, and that was from inside Canon. The 4fps is a guess on my part - Paul didn't post about frame-rates.

I, too, was surprised that Canon would update the 1D, since it's perfect for what most people use it for. Of course, if there's one thing that comes up all the time when discussing whether to buy a 1D or not, it's the resolution. Whether that's valid or not, it comes up. So I am guessing that the 1D's successor will be very similar to the 1D, but higher resolution.

A CMOS sensor would be great if they can keep the high ISO performance of the 1D's sensor. The interleaved part explains how they will be able to keep (or exceed?) 8fps.

I guess Canon wants to continue pushing the envelope, and the only way to beat the 1D would be to increase resolution. They might even increase frame rate, but if they do so significantly, it'll be a video camera!

If I were to guess, then I could imagine that there could also be some common new features in both new bodies, such as bluetooth or Wi-Fi capability, much larger preview screens, and better firmware (eg decent zoom). Features like that could be a good way for Canon to get existing 1-series owners to upgrade: imagine having a 3" preview screen.

Then again, knowing Canon marketing, they may well have these sorts of things ready to go, but save them for the next generation.

David Martin said:
I doubt that they'll be able to crank the frame rate up enough on
CMOS to replace the CCD on the 1D this development cycle.
Besides, the 1D is pretty well a perfect fit for it's market niche.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I doubt we'll see more than a few firmware updates ( magnifier etc)
Your guess on the 3D sounds on the money.
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