I've gone back to jpg

Plus, if you were wanting to crop and enlarge, you certainly don't want to do that with a jpeg.
Can't remember who posted the above but I agree. I use a D1H and
CP5000 for nature shots. In both cases the results I get cropping
jpg to max are poor. Turning sharp off and adj. other functions
helps but is still below NEF par.

On the topic of color balance in the field so one can use jpg: Good
luck snapping off a shot if your adj balance under a canopy of
green foliage, then under blue sky, then in various types of shade.
Same goes with exposure comp. right at time of shoot. Michael
That you're right that JPG is inherently bad - I agree that NEF gives you more options, but with careful consideration at the time of shooting I think that what you lose is so little as to be irrelevant.

I also think that the 'snapping away in jpg' attitude that's cropped up elsewhere in the thread is rather counter productive. It's like the implication that you can't take a shot with anything other than a prime or the expensive AFS lenses. It generates a feeling of 'inferiority' with has really no relevance to the taking of good photographs.

kind regards
jono slack

--
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Well said. Me too!
Plus, if you were wanting to crop and enlarge, you certainly don't want to do that with a jpeg.
Can't remember who posted the above but I agree. I use a D1H and
CP5000 for nature shots. In both cases the results I get cropping
jpg to max are poor. Turning sharp off and adj. other functions
helps but is still below NEF par.

On the topic of color balance in the field so one can use jpg: Good
luck snapping off a shot if your adj balance under a canopy of
green foliage, then under blue sky, then in various types of shade.
Same goes with exposure comp. right at time of shoot. Michael
That you're right that JPG is inherently bad - I agree that NEF
gives you more options, but with careful consideration at the time
of shooting I think that what you lose is so little as to be
irrelevant.

I also think that the 'snapping away in jpg' attitude that's
cropped up elsewhere in the thread is rather counter productive.
It's like the implication that you can't take a shot with anything
other than a prime or the expensive AFS lenses. It generates a
feeling of 'inferiority' with has really no relevance to the taking
of good photographs.

kind regards
jono slack

--
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http://www.slack.co.uk
--
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=284418
 
"But when you work with very high resolution prints, or really big enlargements, the difference can be major"

I totally agree. With the printers you are using (what, you have about $18K wrapped up there) and software and the sizes you are printing....yep, you can use all the subtle graduation you can get (and I bet at times you wish you had more :) ).

But, for me and my web work, my prints from my 1280 epson, and occasional AP or Post photo, I don't see the need. But, hey, thats for me.

So, what's a piece of 4 foot by 3 foot paper going for now. :)

see ya
Kathy
bit tiffs to Epson 9600, 7600 or Gyclee. Or, I can print NEF files
directly from NC to any of our Epson printers. In any case they
have to be handled via RIP."
Hi Karen:
I can understand the need for a RIP...hey, time is money. But as
far as I know the printers you noted are till 8 bit per channel.
So at RGB that would equate to 24 bits or at CMYK 32 bits. As Tom
noted, I don't know of any printer that uses 16 bits per channel.
A 24bit RGB(8/chan) or 32 bit CMYK(8/channel) will still produce
over 16 million colors. The RIP and resulting hardware within
the printer will still map the colors to 8bits per channel.
But, hey, I could be wrong....its happened before...many times.

Kathy
for owners of the D1X or D1H with their low noise, but the D100 in
camera jpeg algorithm is very noisy.
Really? Every D100 I've tested has much lower noise in JPEG images
than RAW (Phil's review says the same thing). Indeed, that's one of
the slight drawbacks of the camera: Nikon has sacrified detail for
noise-free and artifact-free JPEG images.
And I do take exception with the article in this regard...while the
human eye is perhaps not capable of discerning some subtle
variations in tone on a monitor, it is most certainly capable of
discerning the difference in tonality and richness between an
enlargement printed at 16 bits and one printed 8 bits.
What printer are you using that prints at 16 bits?
Moreover, anyone thinking about selling their digital files as
stock, had better not even think of jpegs.
True. The better agencies want RAW files.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide & Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guides to the Nikon D100, D1, D1h, & D1x and
Fujifilm S2
http://www.bythom.com
My experience is that Nikon sacrifices sharpness for noise in the
jpegs. All jpegs sacrifice color detail. I agree that converting
NEFs to jpegs in NC creates more noise, but that can be handled
VERY nicely with Dfine.

We print on high speed web offset from 16 bit tiffs or we print 16
bit tiffs to Epson 9600, 7600 or Gyclee. Or, I can print NEF files
directly from NC to any of our Epson printers. In any case they
have to be handled via RIP.

--
Karen

...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you
need.

http://www.e-designarts.com
http://www.pbase.com/kecohen/
No you're right, about the printers at 8 bit, but print quality is
effect by how and when you're making the conversion.

A JPEG file effectively creates two forms of color data loss: the
jpeg compression algorithm averages color data that it "assumes"
the eye couldn't discern anyway, particularly in large areas of
similar tonal value. The results of which is a blending of color;
the jpeg attempts to resolve say three colors into one. The second
form of color data loss is in the conversion from 16 to 8 bits: the
algoritm is very different. There is no blending done, the
intermediary colors are eliminated, and you're left with a proper
gradient with a smooth transition between hues and values.

The latter is the only color data loss that we want to "see". The
benefit of digital imaging is the increased detail in the shadow
areas. But jpeg compression wants to eliminate it. So, you've lost
some of that detail from the original capture just by writing to
jpeg in the first place, and then when you do any changes to it and
resave the file (even at 100% or highest quality.)

I will grant you that most people are not trained to see the
difference, and wouldn't, even if it were pointed out to them. But
when you work with very high resolution prints, or really big
enlargements, the difference can be major. The colors in the
shadows muddy and detail everywhere disintegrates.
--
Karen

...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you
need.

http://www.e-designarts.com
http://www.pbase.com/kecohen/
 
"But when you work with very high resolution prints, or really big
enlargements, the difference can be major"

I totally agree. With the printers you are using (what, you have
about $18K wrapped up there) and software and the sizes you are
printing....yep, you can use all the subtle graduation you can get
(and I bet at times you wish you had more :) ).

But, for me and my web work, my prints from my 1280 epson, and
occasional AP or Post photo, I don't see the need. But, hey, thats
for me.

So, what's a piece of 4 foot by 3 foot paper going for now. :)
The acid free, 100% rag? Actually, I don't know because we send the art out for the gyclee prints and the paper cost is built into the cost--with the proper discount for quantity, by the way.

And with the big Epsons we use paper by the roll, and trim to size.
--
Karen

...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.

http://www.e-designarts.com
http://www.pbase.com/kecohen/
 
Hi Lou

It's kind of blossomed this one hasn't it!
Anyway - I thought you were off to the Adirondacks (or is it on Friday).

Looking at Michael's info, and having shot with a CP5000 I wonder rather that it could possibly be acceptable . . . . and if it is, then why aren't jpgs on the D1H?

Ah well

If I don't speak to you before you go, have a great time.

kind regards
jono
Plus, if you were wanting to crop and enlarge, you certainly don't want to do that with a jpeg.
Can't remember who posted the above but I agree. I use a D1H and
CP5000 for nature shots. In both cases the results I get cropping
jpg to max are poor. Turning sharp off and adj. other functions
helps but is still below NEF par.

On the topic of color balance in the field so one can use jpg: Good
luck snapping off a shot if your adj balance under a canopy of
green foliage, then under blue sky, then in various types of shade.
Same goes with exposure comp. right at time of shoot. Michael
That you're right that JPG is inherently bad - I agree that NEF
gives you more options, but with careful consideration at the time
of shooting I think that what you lose is so little as to be
irrelevant.

I also think that the 'snapping away in jpg' attitude that's
cropped up elsewhere in the thread is rather counter productive.
It's like the implication that you can't take a shot with anything
other than a prime or the expensive AFS lenses. It generates a
feeling of 'inferiority' with has really no relevance to the taking
of good photographs.

kind regards
jono slack

--
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http://www.slack.co.uk
--
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=284418
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
Yes Friday..and thanks..I'll try to have a great time!

I see Michaels point, but as for me, when I shoot with the 5000 (rarely these days) I save the original JPEG in Genuine Fractals and any cropping (also rare) is done IN Genuine Fractals. So the ressed up version of the crop takes full advantage of the GF algorithmns. It works beautifully, although, as I say, I rarely crop an image and rarely use the 5000. I guess all the years of shooting with a Leica has made me aware of the composition as I shoot, so I'm cropping in the camera, as it were. Works for me, but I wouldn't expect that this way of working is for everyone.
It's kind of blossomed this one hasn't it!
Anyway - I thought you were off to the Adirondacks (or is it on
Friday).

Looking at Michael's info, and having shot with a CP5000 I wonder
rather that it could possibly be acceptable . . . . and if it is,
then why aren't jpgs on the D1H?

Ah well

If I don't speak to you before you go, have a great time.

kind regards
jono
Plus, if you were wanting to crop and enlarge, you certainly don't want to do that with a jpeg.
Can't remember who posted the above but I agree. I use a D1H and
CP5000 for nature shots. In both cases the results I get cropping
jpg to max are poor. Turning sharp off and adj. other functions
helps but is still below NEF par.

On the topic of color balance in the field so one can use jpg: Good
luck snapping off a shot if your adj balance under a canopy of
green foliage, then under blue sky, then in various types of shade.
Same goes with exposure comp. right at time of shoot. Michael
That you're right that JPG is inherently bad - I agree that NEF
gives you more options, but with careful consideration at the time
of shooting I think that what you lose is so little as to be
irrelevant.

I also think that the 'snapping away in jpg' attitude that's
cropped up elsewhere in the thread is rather counter productive.
It's like the implication that you can't take a shot with anything
other than a prime or the expensive AFS lenses. It generates a
feeling of 'inferiority' with has really no relevance to the taking
of good photographs.

kind regards
jono slack

--
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http://www.slack.co.uk
--
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=284418
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=284418
 
I'm sure it'll be useful for many - kind regards
jono
--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
I'm still not sure what you're doing however.
How do you get a full screen browse up in view (do you mean by
clicking the image)
more info required I think.
kind regards
jono
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http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
 
some questions for those who are choosing JPEG over RAW on the
basis of time lost to conversion, etc:

• what is the approximate number of exposures you make monthly?
Varies greatly from very few to over 1000.
• are you a pro or amateur?
Amateur.
• what is your typical final output?
Inkjet print, computer slide shows, publication.
• do you frequently use curves and / or levels to adjust files?
Almost always - motives vary so much.

BTW, why do you want to know?
mostly I'm curious about the time / quality relationship that exists for different photographers.

--
'shoot early, shoot often'
 
JPEG FINE is 8:1 compression, meaning that some faceless algorthim has taken your image file and squished it eightfold to a smaller size, happily tossing away valuable data to meet your imaginary time and space limitations.

no doubt the resolution of your camera and the resolving abilities of the optics were prime considerations in your camera purchase ... yet you choose to throw away this quality through compression.

why not save a bundle on the camera by buying a 2mp consumer cam, and then get some faceless interpolation algorthim to up res to a suitable size ???

to any and all who can't see the difference between a JPEG and RAW to TIFF print ... I say you're not looking hard enough !!!

flame suit & helmet on,
regards,

Mike

--
'shoot early, shoot often'
 
Hi Karen,

Please don't take this wrong, but I convert jpg to tiff all the
time and then back to jpg for storage. tiff is huge and with so
many images it slows the transfer of data and takes up large
amounts of storage.

I certainly would rather get the shot than not and this goes for
static work also. I find if I have the time to take many more
shots of something important I just might get and angle or lighting
I wouldn't have had time for otherwise. If it's a static object I
can always go back with my favorite in hand and shoot it again
later in RAW. Of course if I have that much time and latitude I
should have the WB and exposure dead on and won't need RAW anyway.

We have so much more built in latitude with digital it isn't even
funny. I wonder how many of our young shooters could even cope
with film and darkroom work much less slide film of any sort. I'm
curious even they would end up with much of a portfolio at all. I
know the ability to shoot 300+ images without thought to film
costs, developing and processing time has almost liberated me to
experiment while I shoot without fear of loosing anything. Until
buffer times and media storage sizes get far more advanced I'll be
shooting jpg and loving it.

Have a great day!

Howard
I respect your opinion, you knucklehead!

But seriously, my way of doing things has no bearing on anything that you or anyone else does. If what I do helps you, great. Otherwise it's nothing more than the way I and a couple of my pro buddies like to work.

But I'll give you a typical example of an actual shooting session. I've been hired to get action shots of soccer team X. They are scheduled to play at 8:00 am. Longish morning shadows, the field partially in shadow, and a lot of dappled sunlight. The rest of the field in bright morning sun. Team X is wearing dark forest green or black jerseys and shorts. Half of the players are black.

Since the camera does not take voice commands, and the manual controls, either by dial, or menu take time to set and reset, do you honestly think I could best serve my clients to shoot jpegs?

Now, if I were taking the team portraits, that's certainly another scenario, and jpeg might be my choice, however, I tend to doubt that because with all those different skin tones, I may want to go in and change curves on selected areas.

If someone is paying me to get the shots, I can't afford not to be safe and backed up in both equipment and technique. Ånd if you I only have time for the one shot, I'm going to make sure it's RAW. That way, if I SHOULD make a mistake in judgement, the shot isn't lost. More, I charge for the digital darkroom time. It's built in to my fees. And that's why my clients keep coming back, because I go the extra mile and they always get the quality of photos they expect. And if they like them so much that they are willing to blow them up larger than they originally planned (wink, wink) then I can do that for them with total confidence--I make more on the job:) and the client is as happy and proud as my cat with a chipmunk in its teeth.

But of course I realize that not evey one works the same way or works under the same constraints as I do. And if you aren't needing to make huge enlargements of your photos, I can certainly appreciate the time and energy savings--and don't mind telling you that I envy your ability to do that.
--
Karen

...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need.

http://www.e-designarts.com
http://www.pbase.com/kecohen/
 
Jono,
I can sympathize on the workflow problem!
I've been working on a wedding for 2 weeks now.
Couldn't you have the best of both world's though?

Shoot in NEF and convert to jpg.? I know that you know you're stuff and you're probably close to right on most of the time. That way, though, you have the option to make any corrections if you want to later.

A 40+ per year wedding photographer friend of mine recently went to digital (D100) and shoots only jpg. fine. He's been doing fine with that combo.
I've made a few white balance errors and can't chance it, myself.
Thanks for your nice work.
Don
 
That you're right that JPG is inherently bad - I agree that NEF
gives you more options, but with careful consideration at the time
of shooting I think that what you lose is so little as to be
irrelevant.

I also think that the 'snapping away in jpg' attitude that's
cropped up elsewhere in the thread is rather counter productive.
It's like the implication that you can't take a shot with anything
other than a prime or the expensive AFS lenses. It generates a
feeling of 'inferiority' with has really no relevance to the taking
of good photographs.

kind regards
jono slack
I too don't understand the "snap away with JPEG" attitude. I mean, if you want to "snap away" without thinking too much about camera settings, you should not use JPEG but NEF, because you can correct more things in postprocessing. So NEF should be the "snap away" mode, not JPEG.

If you just "snap away" (thoughtlessly ?) in JPEG you will of course get mediocre results. But that is caused by sloppy technique, not an inherent limitation of the JPEG format.

As you may guess, I don't like the attitude, that says "It doesn't matter, I can always do it right in postprocessing". The founder of a very big company here in Denmark had a motto: "We shall not suffer any loss that can be avoided by timely caretaking". I feel this "timely caretaking" could be applied to photography as well.
 
JPEG FINE is 8:1 compression, meaning that some faceless algorthim
has taken your image file and squished it eightfold to a smaller
size, happily tossing away valuable data to meet your imaginary
time and space limitations.

no doubt the resolution of your camera and the resolving abilities
of the optics were prime considerations in your camera purchase ...
yet you choose to throw away this quality through compression.
In theory you are right. However, I vould venture to say, that most of what is lost by using JPEG FINE LARGE is beyond the resolution of a 6 MP sensor and the optics. (Leitz' first optics designer, Max Berek, had a motto saying "Quality within reason" - and everyone knows highly the Leitz lenses were at that time). This may not hold true if we are talking about larger formats and sensors with much higher pixel counts, though on the other hand I can't see why it shouldn't. But this forum is about Nikon dSLR, and the limit here is for the time being the 6 MP sensor. Of course you can introduce more quality loss with JPEGs than with NEFs or TIFFs by insensitive handling in postprocessing, because you introduce JPEG artifacting.
why not save a bundle on the camera by buying a 2mp consumer cam,
and then get some faceless interpolation algorthim to up res to a
suitable size ???
Because I get better results with JPEG (yes, even with JPEG!) from a 6 MP D100 than from a 2 MP point and shoot camera. And the optics for my 6 MP dSLR are better. It's like you say, if I shoot in JPEG, I must be indifferent with the end results. I'm not.
to any and all who can't see the difference between a JPEG and RAW
to TIFF print ... I say you're not looking hard enough !!!
I think, I looked very hard. But then you may say I need new eyeglasses, so let's end that particular discussion here. BTW I do indeed see one difference - the JPEGs has a little lower noise level than the NEFs.
flame suit & helmet on,
...think you need it? :-)
regards,

Mike

--
'shoot early, shoot often'
  • from the hip :-)
 
It's an interesting point that you raise there, but it's misleading.
The fact that JPEG fine has an 8:1 compression doesn't mean at
all that 87.5% of the information is thrown away! For example, there
are lossless compression algorithms that easily reduce to 50% without
throwing away any information.

Of course, JPEG does lose information. But the point is that the
algorithm does it in a clever way: most likely, the information that
gets lost has no visual impact on the image.

The point is that a bitmap, with color values for every individual pixel,
is a very inefficient way of storing a typical image. For computer software,
it's an interesting format because it is easy to manipulate, and it
more or less comes naturally from a sensor such a a CCD.
However, most images contain large surfaces of slowly and smoothly
varying color/intensity variations, where every neighboring pixel ony
changes marginally. An uncompressed bitmap will repeat the values for all
these pixels, resulting in an enormeous redundancy of information.
Without going into the details, what JPEG or similar algorithms do is take
advantage of this structure in the image and storing the pattern with
fewer parameters.
to any and all who can't see the difference between a JPEG and RAW
to TIFF print ... I say you're not looking hard enough !!!
There is this issue of the camera that has inferior Bayer interpolation &
sharpening to what's available in NC. But that's irrelevant to the JPEG
format itself. Hence, my claim: take an image in RAW mode, convert it to
8 bits TIFF. Take a copy of that TIFF, and convert it to JPEG fine. You
will never see a difference, even with the best camera and the best lens.

Vtie
http://www.pbase.com/vtie
 
A JPEG file effectively creates two forms of color data loss: the
jpeg compression algorithm averages color data that it "assumes"
the eye couldn't discern anyway, particularly in large areas of
similar tonal value.
That is more or less correct, and this is the major source of
JPEG compression. However, the lower the compression
ratio, the smaller this effect. You chose what you get.
The results of which is a blending of color;
the jpeg attempts to resolve say three colors into one.
I don't know what this is referring to. Are you referring to the
fact the JPEGS internally use a luminance/chrominance color space?
I don't see any issue with that. Or are you referring to the fact
that, usually, the chroma channels are subsampled? Most schemes
work by 2x2 blocks or 2x1 blocks. Believe me, on a typical file
coming from a digital camera like the D100, this is completely
irrelevant and has no impact on the image quality.
The second
form of color data loss is in the conversion from 16 to 8 bits: the
algoritm is very different. There is no blending done, the
intermediary colors are eliminated, and you're left with a proper
gradient with a smooth transition between hues and values.
I don't understand what you mean by that. JPEG doesn't define at
all how to convert from 16 bit to 8, does it? It's up to you to do
this in a proper way before feeding it to the JPEG encoder.
And again, there will never be any way to see the difference
between a 16 bit image and a properly downscaled 8 bit image, not
on screen, not printed, not enlarged. The only difference lies in what
you can do in the processing phase (tone curve adjustments, ...)
Your printer driver or RIP device may very well accept 16 bit files,
but all it does is internally convert it to 8 bit anyway.

Vtie
http://www.pbase.com/vtie
 
That was supposed to be a secret....

I never try to offend, hence my opening line on my previous post. I respect everyones opinion. Now, your example was a good one and I have further questions and "but"s for you. First, assuming you are young (;-) (that's a compliment to throw you off) you might find setting aperture with a dial a bit distracting, but I don't find the dials any worse than the rings so I don't have any issue with setting shutter or aperature on the fly and to the contrary (another of my traits) I now find setting the shutter speed even easier than the old days. That's the "but", now the question..You stated "if you only have time for one shot" you would make it RAW. Here's where my technique must be lacking. In gymnastics more than most other junk I shoot, the chance of coming back with any "action" shots is greatly diminished if your buffer is slowly loading or you are changing cards because of file size. I feel getting the image is far more important than perfect exposure or control of the exposure afterward because if you don't get an image there is nothing to work on or sell later. One slightly under or over exposed perfect layout (can still be worked on post processing) is still better than the split second after it happens. Being able to shoot quick sequences is more important to me. Now here is where a lot of people will tell me that it's all in the timing and yes I agree to a point. Put someone with good timing and a fast camera in the same position as someone with good timing and a slow camera and I will tell you who will come home with the most trophies (images).

In closing, and I think everyone has alluded to it, there is no right or wrong way and I believe you have said as much, but along with being a knucklehead and contrary I was just bored for a few minutes here and none of this means anything.

Have a fun day!!

Howard
Hi Karen,

Please don't take this wrong, but I convert jpg to tiff all the
time and then back to jpg for storage. tiff is huge and with so
many images it slows the transfer of data and takes up large
amounts of storage.

I certainly would rather get the shot than not and this goes for
static work also. I find if I have the time to take many more
shots of something important I just might get and angle or lighting
I wouldn't have had time for otherwise. If it's a static object I
can always go back with my favorite in hand and shoot it again
later in RAW. Of course if I have that much time and latitude I
should have the WB and exposure dead on and won't need RAW anyway.

We have so much more built in latitude with digital it isn't even
funny. I wonder how many of our young shooters could even cope
with film and darkroom work much less slide film of any sort. I'm
curious even they would end up with much of a portfolio at all. I
know the ability to shoot 300+ images without thought to film
costs, developing and processing time has almost liberated me to
experiment while I shoot without fear of loosing anything. Until
buffer times and media storage sizes get far more advanced I'll be
shooting jpg and loving it.

Have a great day!

Howard
I respect your opinion, you knucklehead!
But seriously, my way of doing things has no bearing on anything
that you or anyone else does. If what I do helps you, great.
Otherwise it's nothing more than the way I and a couple of my pro
buddies like to work.

But I'll give you a typical example of an actual shooting session.
I've been hired to get action shots of soccer team X. They are
scheduled to play at 8:00 am. Longish morning shadows, the field
partially in shadow, and a lot of dappled sunlight. The rest of the
field in bright morning sun. Team X is wearing dark forest green or
black jerseys and shorts. Half of the players are black.

Since the camera does not take voice commands, and the manual
controls, either by dial, or menu take time to set and reset, do
you honestly think I could best serve my clients to shoot jpegs?

Now, if I were taking the team portraits, that's certainly another
scenario, and jpeg might be my choice, however, I tend to doubt
that because with all those different skin tones, I may want to go
in and change curves on selected areas.

If someone is paying me to get the shots, I can't afford not to be
safe and backed up in both equipment and technique. Ånd if you I
only have time for the one shot, I'm going to make sure it's RAW.
That way, if I SHOULD make a mistake in judgement, the shot isn't
lost. More, I charge for the digital darkroom time. It's built in
to my fees. And that's why my clients keep coming back, because I
go the extra mile and they always get the quality of photos they
expect. And if they like them so much that they are willing to blow
them up larger than they originally planned (wink, wink) then I can
do that for them with total confidence--I make more on the job:)
and the client is as happy and proud as my cat with a chipmunk in
its teeth.

But of course I realize that not evey one works the same way or
works under the same constraints as I do. And if you aren't needing
to make huge enlargements of your photos, I can certainly
appreciate the time and energy savings--and don't mind telling you
that I envy your ability to do that.
--
Karen

...but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you
need.

http://www.e-designarts.com
http://www.pbase.com/kecohen/
 
If I want fast results, I use batch processing and convert to JPG. Read the manual if you don't know what it is ;)

I was surpriced how good JPG is on the camera, but the ability to change the settings after the act is imo the real power of digital. I only shoot NEF.
HI All

For the last six months or so I've been shooting NEF files. But I
was getting thoroughly fed up with the post processing - each shot
needed treating slightly differently, and it was consuming a great
deal of time. A couple of weeks ago I thought I'd try going back
to fine jpg on my D1X - it's been like a breath of fresh air -
everything is SO MUCH faster, and the results really are pretty
much indistinguishable.

Of course, it means more care when taking the shot to get the
exposure exactly right (and the white balance). But it isn't so
much trouble, and I've yet to feel that I'd spoiled a shot and
should have used NEF.

I was discussing this with Lou Verruto on email, and he sent me
this link:

http://www.nikondigital.org/dps/dps-v-2-7.htm

just a thought for those of you who are (like I was) getting tired
of waiting to open those NEF files.

kind regards

--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
I may be strange, but I like doing the post processing work. I never did any serious wet darkroom work and usually handed over that part of the process to someone else. With post processing, I regain control and involvement. Granted, I shoot for my own pleasure, but I still shoot quite a bit. I guess another great thing about digital is that photographers have the choice.

Jeff
HI All

For the last six months or so I've been shooting NEF files. But I
was getting thoroughly fed up with the post processing - each shot
needed treating slightly differently, and it was consuming a great
deal of time. A couple of weeks ago I thought I'd try going back
to fine jpg on my D1X - it's been like a breath of fresh air -
everything is SO MUCH faster, and the results really are pretty
much indistinguishable.

Of course, it means more care when taking the shot to get the
exposure exactly right (and the white balance). But it isn't so
much trouble, and I've yet to feel that I'd spoiled a shot and
should have used NEF.

I was discussing this with Lou Verruto on email, and he sent me
this link:

http://www.nikondigital.org/dps/dps-v-2-7.htm

just a thought for those of you who are (like I was) getting tired
of waiting to open those NEF files.

kind regards

--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
Hi there Leif

There is a kind of patronising air which exudes from those who have the best and use the best and 'know' it's the best (nobody here of course :-). I find that this conflicts quite radically from my own certainty of my own 'rightness' :-)

'snap away' is certainly a derogatory term (isn't it).

Whatever -

kind regards
jono
That you're right that JPG is inherently bad - I agree that NEF
gives you more options, but with careful consideration at the time
of shooting I think that what you lose is so little as to be
irrelevant.

I also think that the 'snapping away in jpg' attitude that's
cropped up elsewhere in the thread is rather counter productive.
It's like the implication that you can't take a shot with anything
other than a prime or the expensive AFS lenses. It generates a
feeling of 'inferiority' with has really no relevance to the taking
of good photographs.

kind regards
jono slack
I too don't understand the "snap away with JPEG" attitude. I mean,
if you want to "snap away" without thinking too much about camera
settings, you should not use JPEG but NEF, because you can correct
more things in postprocessing. So NEF should be the "snap away"
mode, not JPEG.

If you just "snap away" (thoughtlessly ?) in JPEG you will of
course get mediocre results. But that is caused by sloppy
technique, not an inherent limitation of the JPEG format.

As you may guess, I don't like the attitude, that says "It doesn't
matter, I can always do it right in postprocessing". The founder of
a very big company here in Denmark had a motto: "We shall not
suffer any loss that can be avoided by timely caretaking". I feel
this "timely caretaking" could be applied to photography as well.
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 

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