#1 reason the G1X mk2 kills the RX100 II

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It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.

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It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.

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I bet if you process those RAW files, push them several stops, and look in the shadows you'll find noise.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
Well, the rumored RX100-3 is f/2.8 at 70mm equiv., for an equiv. aperture of f/7.3 which is slightly better judging from the DPR chart than the G1X II at 70mm. If you think you really need 100mm equiv. focal length for portraits you could crop from 70mm to 100mm equiv. and still have 10 MPixel left, a little bit less than the G1X II but plenty for most users. I don't think there is a huge difference, but there is a big difference in size/weight and cost (taking EVF into account) and no banding problems with high-DR scenes.

If you do most of your shooting at 100-120mm, of course the G1X II gets more attractive but I doubt that includes the majority of potential buyers.

P8000 same story, assuming the rumored specs are correct; equiv. aperture is just 1/2 stop less than the G1X II, and it would not surprise me if the P8000 has better optics wide open.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. ...
Yes. Absolutely agree, and I commented on the first G1X because they just missed the boat with the aperture of that lens ... and I could never understand why.

Now that they've almost nailed the idea of a fixed-lens compact with enough focal length vs aperture for decent portrait focus separation ...

then the muppets at Canon leave out a viewfinder ... doh. EVF is not cheap or snazzy enough.

For LCD-users its a unique machine and a good niche product.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
Well, the rumored RX100-3 is f/2.8 at 70mm equiv., for an equiv. aperture of f/7.3 which is slightly better judging from the DPR chart than the G1X II at 70mm. If you think you really need 100mm equiv. focal length for portraits you could crop from 70mm to 100mm equiv. and still have 10 MPixel left, a little bit less than the G1X II but plenty for most users. I don't think there is a huge difference, but there is a big difference in size/weight and cost (taking EVF into account) and no banding problems with high-DR scenes.
70mm equiv on a 1" sensor would be a 26mm f2.8. That's a 9.2mm aperture.

G1x mark 2 has a 62.5mm f3.9 lens, which gives a 16mm aperture. You should see almost twice the subject isolation on the G1x II
If you do most of your shooting at 100-120mm, of course the G1X II gets more attractive but I doubt that includes the majority of potential buyers.
That second shot is at 45mm equivalent.
P8000 same story, assuming the rumored specs are correct; equiv. aperture is just 1/2 stop less than the G1X II, and it would not surprise me if the P8000 has better optics wide open.
If the rumors are true, then that one will be closer, at the tele end only, to the Canon for subject isolation. 120mm/2.7x crop = 44mm f3.0 at the tele end which is a 14.8mm aperture.

Let's talk when those cameras actually exist, though.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. ...
Yes. Absolutely agree, and I commented on the first G1X because they just missed the boat with the aperture of that lens ... and I could never understand why.

Now that they've almost nailed the idea of a fixed-lens compact with enough focal length vs aperture for decent portrait focus separation ...

then the muppets at Canon leave out a viewfinder ... doh. EVF is not cheap or snazzy enough.

For LCD-users its a unique machine and a good niche product.
Since we are talking portraits, LCD is great for that usage, actually. I hate it for late afternoon landscapes where the LCD is washed out, though.
 
I don't think too many folks would be enthralled with the $1000+ price tag Canon would likely place on it with a really nice EVF built in. I'm not saying adding an EVF would COST them $200+ extra, but they'd likely ask that much. Then we'd have a whole different complaint circulating.
 
I don't think too many folks would be enthralled with the $1000+ price tag Canon would likely place on it with a really nice EVF built in. I'm not saying adding an EVF would COST them $200+ extra, but they'd likely ask that much. Then we'd have a whole different complaint circulating.
 
Shooting the new G1X.2 in Santorini.... It's a keeper.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
That, of course, is assuming you consider the G1 X mkII "compact". If you have huge pockets and do consider it compact, then congrats for finding a camera that you consider an "all-arounder". I value snappy performance, high-quality video state-of-the-art sensor parameters, as well as pocketability, so I'll wait for the Sony RX100MkIII.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
That, of course, is assuming you consider the G1 X mkII "compact". If you have huge pockets and do consider it compact, then congrats for finding a camera that you consider an "all-arounder". I value snappy performance, high-quality video state-of-the-art sensor parameters, as well as pocketability, so I'll wait for the Sony RX100MkIII.
Compact compared to the next nearest alternative. RX100 is massive compared to an iphone, so how far do you want to take the "it's not a real compact" argument?



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It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.
That, of course, is assuming you consider the G1 X mkII "compact". If you have huge pockets and do consider it compact, then congrats for finding a camera that you consider an "all-arounder". I value snappy performance, high-quality video state-of-the-art sensor parameters, as well as pocketability, so I'll wait for the Sony RX100MkIII.
"Compact" does not necessarily mean "fits in my pocket," at least not in my book. This is a compact camera, not a pocket camera. It is smaller than anything else with a comparable sensor and lens, which would mean any fixed-lens compact (if anyone else had a camera with a sensor this size and a lens this fast and capable) and likely any m4/3 with similar spec lens.
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.

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The second shot looks like Canons Official test shot or is that your shot? Either way I think the Canon Lens is nice, but I have held off and I am glad I did. My XZ-1 can make shots like these easy.

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The first shot is a shocker, is it actually in focus? the second is not the op's own photo, it is the official photo on the canon USA site, it is an outstanding shot. The OP should have mentioned the source of that.
 
The G1X / II has more shadow, much bright in low light shooting. It has been proved by many real world photos comparison here. The RX100/II is over saturated red. The RX100 has shirt size and probably better video as well as build-in paranama. That's it.
 
(Zsa Zsa Gabor accent): I only buy Gold Award winners.

(Thrusts nose skyward, spins and prances away.)
 
It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.

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The first image is a good example, but the seconds is not. The second is shot @f/3.5 & 23mm (44.5mm equiv). The RX100 can shoot at 16mm (43mm equiv) @ f/3.2. That makes an equiv aperture (for evaluating DOF) of f/6.7 for the Canon and f/8.6 for the Sony. As that is less than a 2/3EV difference, you would not even be able to tell the variance between the two. The first image at 62.5mm & f/3.9 (120mm & f/7.5) is another story entirely. The best the Sony would do is 100mm (actually closer to 95mm) and f/13.2 equiv values. That is over 1.3EV difference at a longer FL, which would be discernable, I believe. In short, yes its unique on the long end, no it's not noticeably different in the normal FLs.

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It's got a portrait lens built in. The ability to do shots like this from a relatively small camera makes this the only real all-around compact I know of. Okay, you can't raise the shadows 4 stops without banding, but I can work around that. I can't make these kinds of shots with a smaller sensor and slowish aperture.

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The second shot looks like Canons Official test shot or is that your shot? Either way I think the Canon Lens is nice, but I have held off and I am glad I did.
Neither are my shots. One is a dpreview sample and the other a Canon sample. I am sorry if it was implied that they were mine, that was not my intent.

My XZ-1 can make shots like these easy.
Easy to say. Let's see them. I certainly have not seen anything like that from a 1/1.7" sensor before.




 

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