OT - I did it! Ordered the 10D

You get paid for it? I took out a loan for the body (interest free for one year) and charged the lenses and case... ouch when the bill comes. :) Ann
congradulations also, I hope you like the camera, I am planning on
getting a 10D soon too, as soon as I get some money
--
Adam
http://www.decodeddreams.com
Yeah, that money thing. I'm submitting an invoice today and
hopefully will get paid for it before the credit card bill comes!!!
lol. Right now my card is kinda melted. ;) Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
 
Already got the micro drive, extra battery, Sigma 28-70 EX
ASPHERICAL, Canon 70-200 f4 L and extended warranty from B&H (boy
are they fast!). Body coming Thursday from Profeel.com

So we can experience these growing pains together Ann! Just hope
we get good ones, there are some focus and other issues running
around with the 10D. :(

Have fun! Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
 
Good tip Ron, thanks. Shutter is having major probs with his - not
only poor focus (expecially in low light) but actual shutter
speeds slower than the settings - but that occurs randomly. I
don't know if he's tried clearing the settings. I'm holding my
breath for a good one. Thanks, Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
Resetting might help Jim.... never heard of the shutter speeds not matching settings. That's really a new one. But there is a learning curve that has to be worked through.

I just picked up my 10D a few days ago. Just had to find all the buttons. It's laid out a little different than my D60.

--
Ron

http://users.qconline.com/~starship/eagles/
 
You ladies take some mighty fine images. I'm thinking they may even get better with your new cameras :-)

I have to agree with Stephen's "beast" comment. I printed out some 10D reviews to read at my leisure (this is a bad sign :-( I've only ever done this with cameras I've wound up purchasing) and I was impressed by how many features this camera has (the manual must be a 500 page hardback novel...lol). But, I have every confidence that you will both climb the learning curve very rapidly :-)

As Ron wrote, the focus issues seem to be dying down, substantially. Now if you ladies can just inject a sense of humor into the Canon SLR forum, all will be perfect...LOL

I really can't wait to see some of your first images. Please remember your friends and acquaintances, here at STF and post some for our enjoyment:-)

Steve
Already got the micro drive, extra battery, Sigma 28-70 EX
ASPHERICAL, Canon 70-200 f4 L and extended warranty from B&H (boy
are they fast!). Body coming Thursday from Profeel.com

So we can experience these growing pains together Ann! Just hope
we get good ones, there are some focus and other issues running
around with the 10D. :(

Have fun! Cindy
Don't fret the focus issues... there are very few that have a
problem, and most of those are the earlier cameras.

The suggested fix (and first thing to do with the camera) is to go
to the menu and then clear "all the camera settings".

It looks like there my be some bad settings from the machine that
dumps them into the circuit board. Clearing all camera settings in
the menu is like rebooting your computer.

My 10D is razor sharp and focuses dead on. And the low light focus
is great. If I can see it in the finder, I can get a focus lock.

--
Ron

http://users.qconline.com/~starship/eagles/
--
http://www.pbase.com/slo2k

'If one really wishes to be master of an art, technical knowledge of it is not enough. One has to transcend technique so that the art becomes an 'artless art' growing out of the Unconscious.'
 
Already got the micro drive, extra battery, Sigma 28-70 EX
ASPHERICAL, Canon 70-200 f4 L and extended warranty from B&H (boy
are they fast!). Body coming Thursday from Profeel.com

So we can experience these growing pains together Ann! Just hope
we get good ones, there are some focus and other issues running
around with the 10D. :(

Have fun! Cindy
Don't fret the focus issues... there are very few that have a
problem, and most of those are the earlier cameras.

The suggested fix (and first thing to do with the camera) is to go
to the menu and then clear "all the camera settings".

It looks like there my be some bad settings from the machine that
dumps them into the circuit board. Clearing all camera settings in
the menu is like rebooting your computer.

My 10D is razor sharp and focuses dead on. And the low light focus
is great. If I can see it in the finder, I can get a focus lock.

--
Ron

http://users.qconline.com/~starship/eagles/
--

Old Bob I have the D60,gonna keep it,but will be getting a 7xxx in a few months...I also have the sigma 15-30 and canon 28-135IS..plus the 75-300IS and 70-200f4L..Dont be shocked at the images from the 10D,they will(appear) soft compared to the 717 out of camera..But after post processing,WOW....I shoot everything in RAW and convert in C1LE or breeze browser then go to photoshop..Congrats again on school,have fun,Bob
 
Steve Cavigliano wrote:
Now if you ladies can just inject a sense of humor
into the Canon SLR forum, all will be perfect...LOL
I've been lurking there for awhile now . . . scary place! I have yet to make a post.
I really can't wait to see some of your first images. Please
remember your friends and acquaintances, here at STF and post some
for our enjoyment:-)
We have 3 Sonys in this house and they are all staying put so will be around.

Thanks! Cindy
--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
What a coincidence....adding to the cross platform folks here which is a kick any way you look at it. I really like the equipment mix.

I have to keep on rocking here because Tris meets this afternoon with Bruce Dale ex Geographic and certainly one of the leading digital and PS experts i the country. Tris will be working with Bruce for a year on an independent HS project, shooting, pp and getting critiqued....an unbelievable opportunity...the deal is that he has to pass on all the good stuff to me.

Saturday he picks up his award at the KC which will find me tearing from graduation in Fairfax downtown to see if I can catch the end of it.

Lets stay tuned....gotta contact Jim about his stuff....cheers for now.

John

--
Aesthetics is for the Artist as Ornithology is for the Birds. Barnett Newman

Canon Elan IIe, Sony DSC F717, Canon 1D, Mamiya RB67
Canon 50mm 1.4, 100mm macro, 70-200L, 17-40mmL, Sigma 50-500 and an instamatic
 
into the Canon SLR forum, all will be perfect...LOL
I've been lurking there for awhile now . . . scary place! I have
yet to make a post.
It is indeed a scary place; however it is getting better as the "working majority" have begun to participate more and the "noisy few" are getting drowned out. I have hope for it yet..

A few more tips. First some background.. on my 707 I was shooting 95% manual mode. I used my spot meter extensively. So, when I got my 10D I also went straight into "M" and enabled the center-weighted ("fat spot"). This is considerably more difficult as compared to using the spot meter on my 707; but with practice is getting much better.

Also, I suggest you stick to HIGH aperture numberss (high f-stops, small aperture) and fast shutter speeds in the beginning.

The reason to use small apertures is the DOF difference is amazing. f/2.8 on a DSLR is WAY WAY different from f/2.8 on your 707. Different to the point that f/2.8 on the 10D is really a special case aperture. In the beginning, stick to f/8 or f/11 or f/16.

On shutter speed, try sticking to 1/(2f) (where f is focal length). For instance, if you have your 28-138 set at 28, try to at least be at 1/56 (or 1/60 in this case). If you're at 100mm on your lens, try to use 1/200 or faster. This is shooting handheld.

Don't forget you have plenty of lattitude in these settings because of the 10D's excellent high ISO performance. So, if you ever need faster shutter, or smaller aperture, there's always a chance you can get a full stop by clicking ISO up a notch. This was a big adjustment for me because I always tried to leave my 707 set at ISO100; however, ISO200 and 400 are now VERY usable. Even 800 with some processing... 1600 and 3200 are reserved for those cases where it's just better to get something rather than missing the shot completely.

These two things (fast shutter + small aperture) alone will help you get beautiful images out of your 10D from DAY ONE!

Enjoy.

--Steve
 
Congratulations on both counts, Ann! I look forward to seeing your 10D pics soon -- if they're anything like your 717 shots, I know they'll be spectacular.

I keep going back and forth on the 10D; first I wanted it, then I decided who wants to go back to lugging a heavy camera and lenses. Then last weekend, the salesman opened up the cabinet, gave me some media to use and let me play with it. And I fell in love with it! I wouldn't buy it here because of the Japanese warranty, but I found myself checking out the B&H site the other night...

Helen
I just committed myself to mucho $ for the 10D and two lenses.
Sigma 15-30 and Canon 28-135. I plan to keep my Sony 717 too as I
know there will be situations where I'll want a more portable
camera. Phew! I graduate with an AA in graphic design on Friday and
this is my (big) present to myself for three years of hard work.
('Course I was kinda planning to get one anyhow.) I originally
planned only to get one lens but I learned that I'm getting an
award on Friday that almost pays for the second lens. Didn't take a
second to decide to get both. Now I've got a big learning curve
ahead of me. (Another good reason to keep the 717.) Everything is
supposed to arrive Thursday. I bought the camera from onecall.com
and the lenses and a case from B&H. (They didn't have the body in
stock.) I'll post when I get a few pictures. :) Ann
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
--
http://community.webshots.com/user/helenpb_
http://pbase.com/helenpb

F717, V1, PS7 & PSE2, Epson 820 & 2200
 
Yeah, I had tried that several times. I've had ZERO luck getting a single landscape to focus, but could get portraits just fine. My shutter was also doing different things than what it said, i.e., exposing for 3 seconds instead of 1/3 second, misreading exposures (was at the studio last night with a friend and his D30, no one could argue after our comparisons), but mostly I had a couple pics with a banding on them.

But all is well, I just returned from the store with a new one in my hand. It would have been tough to convince them, but the photo of the banding did it.

It's like I have a new toy again!

Jim
Don't fret the focus issues... there are very few that have a
problem, and most of those are the earlier cameras.

The suggested fix (and first thing to do with the camera) is to go
to the menu and then clear "all the camera settings".

It looks like there my be some bad settings from the machine that
dumps them into the circuit board. Clearing all camera settings in
the menu is like rebooting your computer.

My 10D is razor sharp and focuses dead on. And the low light focus
is great. If I can see it in the finder, I can get a focus lock.
Good tip Ron, thanks. Shutter is having major probs with his - not
only poor focus (expecially in low light) but actual shutter
speeds slower than the settings - but that occurs randomly. I
don't know if he's tried clearing the settings. I'm holding my
breath for a good one. Thanks, Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must
be wrong...
--
Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
Congratluations on the degree, Ann! That is just great!

And congrats on the new purchase as well! I think you'll be happy with those lenses. I went L, but am sort of wishing I would have done the 28-135 and a good non-L 70-200. Oh well. And yes, there will be a huge learning curve, but it's fun. Kind of like learning photography all over again.

I did have several problems with my camera interspersed with amazing photographs. I just returned from returning it and got a brand new one! Yeah!

Anxious to hear of your learning curve exploits and seing your photos.

Congrats again on the camera, but way moreso your award and degree! Job well done!!!!

Jim
I just committed myself to mucho $ for the 10D and two lenses.
Sigma 15-30 and Canon 28-135. I plan to keep my Sony 717 too as I
know there will be situations where I'll want a more portable
camera. Phew! I graduate with an AA in graphic design on Friday and
this is my (big) present to myself for three years of hard work.
('Course I was kinda planning to get one anyhow.) I originally
planned only to get one lens but I learned that I'm getting an
award on Friday that almost pays for the second lens. Didn't take a
second to decide to get both. Now I've got a big learning curve
ahead of me. (Another good reason to keep the 717.) Everything is
supposed to arrive Thursday. I bought the camera from onecall.com
and the lenses and a case from B&H. (They didn't have the body in
stock.) I'll post when I get a few pictures. :) Ann
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
--
Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
Yeah, I had tried that several times. I've had ZERO luck getting a
single landscape to focus, but could get portraits just fine. My
shutter was also doing different things than what it said, i.e.,
exposing for 3 seconds instead of 1/3 second, misreading exposures
(was at the studio last night with a friend and his D30, no one
could argue after our comparisons), but mostly I had a couple pics
with a banding on them.

But all is well, I just returned from the store with a new one in
my hand. It would have been tough to convince them, but the photo
of the banding did it.

It's like I have a new toy again!

Jim
That's good news ;-)

I got my 10D from a local store too.... figuring if I did have a problem I could ... A: Get my money back within 10 days. Or B: exchange it within 30 days. Then there's always C: Send it back to Canon for a fix after 30 days.

--
Ron

http://users.qconline.com/~starship/eagles/
 
I have the 717 and wasn't too happy with the focusing speed on it. Went and bought the 10D and my life has change. The photos are superior and I'm now able to take shots of my kids where I can only dream of with the F717 because of the speed.

Khanh
I just committed myself to mucho $ for the 10D and two lenses.
Sigma 15-30 and Canon 28-135. I plan to keep my Sony 717 too as I
know there will be situations where I'll want a more portable
camera. Phew! I graduate with an AA in graphic design on Friday and
this is my (big) present to myself for three years of hard work.
('Course I was kinda planning to get one anyhow.) I originally
planned only to get one lens but I learned that I'm getting an
award on Friday that almost pays for the second lens. Didn't take a
second to decide to get both. Now I've got a big learning curve
ahead of me. (Another good reason to keep the 717.) Everything is
supposed to arrive Thursday. I bought the camera from onecall.com
and the lenses and a case from B&H. (They didn't have the body in
stock.) I'll post when I get a few pictures. :) Ann
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
 
Interesting.

What went wrong with the first one?
I did have several problems with my camera interspersed with
amazing photographs. I just returned from returning it and got a
brand new one! Yeah!
--

Ulysses
 
into the Canon SLR forum, all will be perfect...LOL
I've been lurking there for awhile now . . . scary place! I have
yet to make a post.
It is indeed a scary place; however it is getting better as the
"working majority" have begun to participate more and the "noisy
few" are getting drowned out. I have hope for it yet..

A few more tips. First some background.. on my 707 I was shooting
95% manual mode. I used my spot meter extensively. So, when I got
my 10D I also went straight into "M" and enabled the
center-weighted ("fat spot"). This is considerably more difficult
as compared to using the spot meter on my 707; but with practice is
getting much better.

Also, I suggest you stick to HIGH aperture numberss (high f-stops,
small aperture) and fast shutter speeds in the beginning.

The reason to use small apertures is the DOF difference is amazing.
f/2.8 on a DSLR is WAY WAY different from f/2.8 on your 707.
Different to the point that f/2.8 on the 10D is really a special
case aperture. In the beginning, stick to f/8 or f/11 or f/16.

On shutter speed, try sticking to 1/(2f) (where f is focal length).
For instance, if you have your 28-138 set at 28, try to at least be
at 1/56 (or 1/60 in this case). If you're at 100mm on your lens,
try to use 1/200 or faster. This is shooting handheld.

Don't forget you have plenty of lattitude in these settings because
of the 10D's excellent high ISO performance. So, if you ever need
faster shutter, or smaller aperture, there's always a chance you
can get a full stop by clicking ISO up a notch. This was a big
adjustment for me because I always tried to leave my 707 set at
ISO100; however, ISO200 and 400 are now VERY usable. Even 800 with
some processing... 1600 and 3200 are reserved for those cases
where it's just better to get something rather than missing the
shot completely.

These two things (fast shutter + small aperture) alone will help
you get beautiful images out of your 10D from DAY ONE!

Enjoy.

--Steve
--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
The appropriate response is: "what didn't?" lol

Really, several unprovable and unpredictable problems. Couldn't focus on a landscape to save me life... a couple examples, you can view the originals....
http://www.pbase.com/image/17661399
http://www.pbase.com/image/17660979

Also, last night at the studio with a friend with a D30 mine would meter at 1/3 second but expose 3 seconds, and vice versa. It would do this unpredictably 10 over and over and then not happen again. Difficult to recreate. I think frequently it metered wrong as well.

But the clincher that sold the canon rep (they have to call and get approval) was this..



Kind of like, okay, he's probably not pulling our leg....
What went wrong with the first one?
I did have several problems with my camera interspersed with
amazing photographs. I just returned from returning it and got a
brand new one! Yeah!
--

Ulysses
--
Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
sharpness like this....

(iso 200) (very large file)
http://www.pbase.com/image/17605870
Really, several unprovable and unpredictable problems. Couldn't
focus on a landscape to save me life... a couple examples, you can
view the originals....
http://www.pbase.com/image/17661399
http://www.pbase.com/image/17660979

Also, last night at the studio with a friend with a D30 mine would
meter at 1/3 second but expose 3 seconds, and vice versa. It would
do this unpredictably 10 over and over and then not happen again.
Difficult to recreate. I think frequently it metered wrong as well.

But the clincher that sold the canon rep (they have to call and get
approval) was this..



Kind of like, okay, he's probably not pulling our leg....
What went wrong with the first one?
I did have several problems with my camera interspersed with
amazing photographs. I just returned from returning it and got a
brand new one! Yeah!
--

Ulysses
--
Jim Fuglestad
Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase.
-Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
--
Jim Fuglestad

Skill in photography is acquired by practice and not by purchase. -Percy W. Harris
Our existence is determined by the truths we tell.
Why simply live and let live? Live and help live.
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
I have to keep on rocking here because Tris meets this afternoon
with Bruce Dale ex Geographic and certainly one of the leading
digital and PS experts i the country. Tris will be working with
Bruce for a year on an independent HS project, shooting, pp and
getting critiqued....an unbelievable opportunity...the deal is that
he has to pass on all the good stuff to me.

Saturday he picks up his award at the KC which will find me tearing
from graduation in Fairfax downtown to see if I can catch the end
of it.
Wow! Way to go Tris! Too bad you couldn't find somebody to shoot him at KC. Sarah is envious - but she just got a job at a studio and even gets to shoot not just answer the phones, so she will be busy too. Fun watching our kids take off and SOAR!!!!

OH - and almost forgot - we also got the Canon 50 mm f1.8. It was a great bargain for the quality at $69 bucks, although it overlaps with the Sigma . . .

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 
..Dont be shocked at the
images from the 10D,they will(appear) soft compared to the 717 out
of camera..But after post processing,WOW....I shoot everything in
RAW and convert in C1LE or breeze browser then go to
photoshop..
I've heard that . . . I'll reserve judgement until i mutilate it in PS. lol. thanks, Cindy

--
CindyD or SarahD
If one of us is laughing, and the other one isn't, one of us must be wrong...
 

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