targut
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Hi, thank you very much for posting your considerations in the Samsung forum. The answers have just convinced me one more time: I like this small community very much. Seriously 
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Fast AF (just random thoughts)
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BTW: you do have a single valid point here when it comes to AF-C at DSLR level at previous NX cameras as the AF-C/tracking of the NX300 was not that bad (and it was anyway fast compared to Sony/Fuji) but was overall still disapointing when it has to shoot at 4fps,
that kind of AF-C improvement is what I expect the NX30 delivers
...and note: the NX30 seems to deliver that, while Sony has o single fast focusing E-Mount out, the T1 could be fast focusing
...but for the price tag of the Fuji, you better expect that to be perfect.
Any if I would have no limit on budget and if I would start with a mirrorless system now, I might even consider it as an option.
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Donny out of Element here
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Thanks technoworld, I got your point. It seems like it was a bad idea for me to start threads like this in Samsung forum. Some forums are just too fragile and reactive to take it easy. For some reason I thought it was more mature here. I was wrong. All the best.
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People disagree you not because they love Samsung unconditionally, but because your personal opinion is obviously inconsistent with the fact. (And they provide some comparison or test to prove it.) Then you just talk about fragile, reactive....these kind of useless things, rather than provide any further evidence to support your opinion. People in the forum need reasonable and objective information rather than ridiculous personal opinion....
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Objective and unbiased... did you read my response where I poste measured Af times of NEx and NX300? Samsung is twice as fast as NEX.
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Numbers that you provide are for single area AF. For example multi area AF NEX is faster - you can check your own links. However, if you carefully read conditions that they test - they are far from real world. In real world, NEX5/6 are about the same as NX300 and that is confirmed by multiple reviews out there and people who had both cameras to compare side by side. Anyway claiming that Samsung is twice as fast - no comments. And I'm not going to argue here anymore since your "objective" posts are rude and very biased.
I tried with NEX5x and NEX-6 before. not impressed with AF, whether single or multiple. reason for that I see is better implementation of AF. x-points and hybrid AF. manufacturer differ on how they implement. surely you would noticed difference if you have tried cameras. I think it is wise to try NX20 or NX300 first and not just base on numbers. this is why I ask question with some forum members who have tried NX30 if they notice difference from previous models. no bias here because despite very fast AF of NX300 and is very capable, I still use 7D dslr for actions and sometimes 6D. this has more to do with number of cross type sensor in my opinion. my experience with NX300 is it is fastest among mirrorless APS-C and most dlsr. no kidding. multiple though seems to be better with dslr. but in common and real world practice in photography, center AF is always used than multiple. I see multiple is most crucial for video.
It's not like multi-AF is used in the "real world," you know. Single point is where it's at.
Sure, but I don't see how that justifies your next statement.
Completely subjective, but if you're going to take anyone's subjective opinion on the topic, then lets take someone that fits your bill, someone that had the cameras to compare side by side...
You mean like Viking? Viking, that kindly and politely gave you his opinion on this topic. I don't think that a reviewer that uses the camera a short time would have a more informed opinion on this than Viking does. If you're going to respect anyone's opinion it should be his, he is a very level headed and reasonable with a large amount of technical knowledge to boot and even does some serious lens testing of his own (not the take two shots and "oh, I like this one better" kind either, the real scientific way). I'll give you that there's going to be bias here (you're on the Samsung forum, what do you expect?), but Viking doesn't lie, if he says NX is faster, then I'm pretty sure it's faster. You can peruse his post history of course to verify that his comments are deserving of serious consideration and are not even remotely fanboyish.
Part of this is that you're getting yourself mixed with some long running bristling between technoworld and some of the other members on here. I wouldn't worry about them if I were you and I hope that I'm not coming across as rude or biased (well besides my bias to believe things Viking says
). ^_^Donny out of Element here
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If all users on this forum were like you - it would have been best forum on DPR. i agree - Viking is the man who can be trusted. He hangs out on our Sony forum as well. I trust his opinion. However, small correction: never in this thread viking said that NX300 is faster than NEX cameras. He said his NX30 is. And I believe that is a new generation camera (this is what A6000 will kinda compete with partially, though they are quite different). i got carried away in the first place with my enthusiasm and I just wanted to find out what Samsung cameras form new wave have improved AF. That's all. Then the angry Samsung mob came and turns out I'm a troll. In the end what matters is that we will have more cameras from different manufacturers and that should be a good thing for us customers, since tech will improve and finally get to the point where mirrorless cameras will be no worse than DSLR's.It's not like multi-AF is used in the "real world," you know. Single point is where it's at.
Sure, but I don't see how that justifies your next statement.
Completely subjective, but if you're going to take anyone's subjective opinion on the topic, then lets take someone that fits your bill, someone that had the cameras to compare side by side...
You mean like Viking? Viking, that kindly and politely gave you his opinion on this topic. I don't think that a reviewer that uses the camera a short time would have a more informed opinion on this than Viking does. If you're going to respect anyone's opinion it should be his, he is a very level headed and reasonable with a large amount of technical knowledge to boot and even does some serious lens testing of his own (not the take two shots and "oh, I like this one better" kind either, the real scientific way). I'll give you that there's going to be bias here (you're on the Samsung forum, what do you expect?), but Viking doesn't lie, if he says NX is faster, then I'm pretty sure it's faster. You can peruse his post history of course to verify that his comments are deserving of serious consideration and are not even remotely fanboyish.
Part of this is that you're getting yourself mixed with some long running bristling between technoworld and some of the other members on here. I wouldn't worry about them if I were you and I hope that I'm not coming across as rude or biased (well besides my bias to believe things Viking says
this is why I tell OP to try camera first. and also make sure he know what is talked about. because last thing we want is person blaming camera for own lack of understanding and skill. there is also danger on reading and relying too much on spec sheet than doing photography and improving skills.
Quite right, got myself burned, lol, I should be reading more carefully myself ^_^.If all users on this forum were like you - it would have been best forum on DPR. i agree - Viking is the man who can be trusted. He hangs out on our Sony forum as well. I trust his opinion. However, small correction: never in this thread viking said that NX300 is faster than NEX cameras. He said his NX30 is.It's not like multi-AF is used in the "real world," you know. Single point is where it's at.
Sure, but I don't see how that justifies your next statement.
Completely subjective, but if you're going to take anyone's subjective opinion on the topic, then lets take someone that fits your bill, someone that had the cameras to compare side by side...
You mean like Viking? Viking, that kindly and politely gave you his opinion on this topic. I don't think that a reviewer that uses the camera a short time would have a more informed opinion on this than Viking does. If you're going to respect anyone's opinion it should be his, he is a very level headed and reasonable with a large amount of technical knowledge to boot and even does some serious lens testing of his own (not the take two shots and "oh, I like this one better" kind either, the real scientific way). I'll give you that there's going to be bias here (you're on the Samsung forum, what do you expect?), but Viking doesn't lie, if he says NX is faster, then I'm pretty sure it's faster. You can peruse his post history of course to verify that his comments are deserving of serious consideration and are not even remotely fanboyish.
Part of this is that you're getting yourself mixed with some long running bristling between technoworld and some of the other members on here. I wouldn't worry about them if I were you and I hope that I'm not coming across as rude or biased (well besides my bias to believe things Viking says
I have hopes for that NX1, pretty much baseless hopes, but yeah.
I think you take it wrong way as well when people try to correct you here. it is true your post is not related to Samsung, no matter where you put it because majority talk about other camera. that is content of your post so do not deny. there is no other way people will think otherwise. just think if person talk more about Samsung camera on Sony forum. I think reception will even be worse there.
although I have Sony RX1 camera, I do not post there much because topic on Sony is God everyday is suffocating. if you want better forum, go to Ricoh or Pentax Forum. I stay away from m4/3 also. many very sick posters there.
although I have Sony RX1 camera, I do not post there much because topic on Sony is God everyday is suffocating. if you want better forum, go to Ricoh or Pentax Forum. I stay away from m4/3 also. many very sick posters there.
Donny out of Element here
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Agree about m43 - indeed it's a "unique" forum there.
targut
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Oh, no! Please, do not start it. Otherwise, I will be forced to tell you that my Panasonic GM1 has faster focusing than my NX300 and much faster than any of your camerasAgree about m43 - indeed it's a "unique" forum there.
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This is the mopst used AF by people that doen't use smartphones. Usually you want to select AF point.
I know the results. The difference is measured in milliseconds. How this is relevant?
And how they are testing "in real world conditions"? Testing under constant conditions is the meaningful testing. One cannot recreate exactly the same condition for AF testing several timesHow can you feel the difference of 0.1s? Which reviews youre talking about? Can you back your words with links where these cameras are tested side by side? Or it's just trolling again?
Sure, since you provide no links, no data, you don't even claim to have own experiences - just talking, talking, talking that some people in some reviews made some statements.
BTW - as I won cameras from several systems, including nikon 1 for which fast AF is selling point and new u4/3 (G6) which dpreview calls AF speed daemon, I can easily compare and say that NX300 has very fast AF in good light and pretty good in low light. I don't see you owning Samsung so I don't know what is your basis to come here and advertise brand you like.
As you say, that must be some random thoughts, no data to back it up, no experience that confirms it. Strange hiow people stand by their "random thoughts" as if they were sure these represent reality.
As you say, that must be some random thoughts, no data to back it up, no experience that confirms it. Strange hiow people stand by their "random thoughts" as if they were sure these represent reality.
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I would wait and see what actually appears. If you believe all the pre-release blurbs even the humblest compact would satisfy your every photographic need. Please note that the current Nex 6 had OSPDAF.
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