Fast AF (just random thoughts)

[Donny out of Element here]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras, A7 EVF in top left corner (no hump!), A7 grip, A7 menu/UI, A7 much improved jpeg engine with latest fast BIONZ-X chip, built-in tilt (bounce mode) flash and all this in a small NEX-6 like body for $650 body or $800 kit!

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

 

[tecnoworld]

If the rumors about a6000 are true, that will be a really good camera. Unfortunately nex lenses and ui are - imo - subpar. But for all the rest, that camera will be better to much better than nx30 for my needs.

I also hope that samsung can produce a decent competitor for a6000. That'd be the rangefinder camera I've been asking for ages...

 

[viking79]

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

My Samsung NX30 already focuses faster than any of my Sony NEX cameras or A7/r.

Eric

 

[giliath]

The AF speed of NX300 seems faster than the current SONY or Fuji models, like NEX6 or XE2. (Or at least not slower than them.) XT1 uses the same phase detection sensor as XE2, I doubt how fast its AF speed could be...(As fuji usually intend to over advertise their product, I don't trust it to much until the product is available.)

Anyway, I don't think Samsung's AF speed is worse than other APSC mirrorless cameras, but obviously worse than the top DSLRS, especially the tracking AF.

 

[viking79]

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

My Samsung NX30 already focuses faster than any of my Sony NEX cameras or A7/r.

Eric

It really is as fast or faster than many DSLRs (I find it about the same as my A99 or slightly faster), but only in limited circumstances. The first shot off in good light will likely be faster than most SLR cameras. The good light part is the problem, if light levels fall the SLR remains much better. This also assumes a fast focusing lens like Samsung 45mm f/1.8, 12-24mm, 18-200mm, etc. A lens like the 85mm takes a lot longer to focus. Just like SLR performance lens matters a great deal.

If the A6000 is as fast as they say, remember you need fast lenses to take advantage of that, and most of the Sony lenses are pretty slow focusing (the new FE lenses seem to be much faster focusing).

Eric

 

[viking79]

The AF speed of NX300 seems faster than the current SONY or Fuji models, like NEX6 or XE2. (Or at least not slower than them.) XT1 uses the same phase detection sensor as XE2, I doubt how fast its AF speed could be...(As fuji usually intend to over advertise their product, I don't trust it to much until the product is available.)

Anyway, I don't think Samsung's AF speed is worse than other APSC mirrorless cameras, but obviously worse than the top DSLRS, especially the tracking AF.

Exactly, and I think X-T1 is measured with 14mm, who really cares how fast a 14mm lens focuses, it is the 35mm that matters and that lens is still going to be painfully slow on the X-T1, where the 45mm f/1.8 on Samsung is extremely fast, especially given it has shallower depth of field.

Eric

 

[ttbek]

It's a bit off topic, but this is something I've been tossing around in my head the past few days. Since we're using phase detection to get a good idea of distance, can we somehow get this information into the raw file in a useful way. Where I'm going with this, is that later on in post we could use distance as a selection parameter, which would make it way easier to melt away a background, or only sharpen the intended focal plane, things like that. I guess I'm wondering if this would be a relatively simple firmware change to store the info in the file, or even in an associated side file or if it gets messy. Purely speculation anyway though, as I have no input to the Samsung devs.

 

[tecnoworld]

this is exactly where things are/will be moving in the next few years. In fact I recently read that with proper sw, even a smaller sensor camera could achieve a nice dof by exploiting the phase detection pixels.

 

[tecnoworld]

Did you compare it with nx300 (of course with the same lens on it)? I also think that nx300 + 45mm is really fast in good/medium light and decent in low light.

 

[Raw Jaw]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras, A7 EVF in top left corner (no hump!), A7 grip, A7 menu/UI, A7 much improved jpeg engine with latest fast BIONZ-X chip, built-in tilt (bounce mode) flash and all this in a small NEX-6 like body for $650 body or $800 kit!

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

So, go out on Wednesday and buy one.

You are praising a camera over Samsung and it has not been released yet.

May I ask the purpose of your thread?

 

[Donny out of Element here]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras, A7 EVF in top left corner (no hump!), A7 grip, A7 menu/UI, A7 much improved jpeg engine with latest fast BIONZ-X chip, built-in tilt (bounce mode) flash and all this in a small NEX-6 like body for $650 body or $800 kit!

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

So, go out on Wednesday and buy one.

You are praising a camera over Samsung and it has not been released yet.

May I ask the purpose of your thread?

Why that attitude? As to your questions:

1. As you may know I said Sony is announcing, so it will be a while before it will be in shops.

2. I'm not praising it over Samsung simply due to the fact that same generation cameras like NEX5/6 and NX300 have same kind of AF speed. A6000 is a new generation, so I wanted to see what comparable camera will be on market from Samsung. More competition is always good for buyer, since it pushes manufacturer to produce better cameras and innovate.

3. Please see above.

 

[NewForce]

No, current NEX5/6/7 AF was slower than NX300.
So probably the new Alpha E-mount A6000 camera will try to be on part with NX300 and NX30.
--
Kenny

 

[pixelpushing]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras,

As a former A57 owner that collected a fair bit of Minolta glass, I could not possibly care less what Sony does with E mount from here on out. I have zero interest. No IBIS and the thus far no better than average library they've built up (above average prices for E glass, though), and now the big push for much pricier but not much better quality EF (FF). Sony can stick it.

 

[jennyrae]

hello,

as you post mentioned above, topic is out of order. reading your posts is suggesting promoting Sony as far as content is concerned. maybe correct topic is what Samsung camera will have dslr like AF performance, yes?

as of moment, APS-C mirrorless AF is improving. some mirrorless faster or as fast as most dslr cameras with exception of higher end dslr made for action. as mentioned by someone, it is better to try some mirrorless camera and see. strength of mirrorless is contrast detection. strength of dlsr is PDAF. but introduction of hybrid AF, make mirrorless close or even sometime better than some dlsr cameras. dslr will always have appeal those who want or still need OVF.

 

[ttbek]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras, A7 EVF in top left corner (no hump!), A7 grip, A7 menu/UI, A7 much improved jpeg engine with latest fast BIONZ-X chip, built-in tilt (bounce mode) flash and all this in a small NEX-6 like body for $650 body or $800 kit!

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

So, go out on Wednesday and buy one.

You are praising a camera over Samsung and it has not been released yet.

May I ask the purpose of your thread?

Why that attitude? As to your questions:

1. As you may know I said Sony is announcing, so it will be a while before it will be in shops.

2. I'm not praising it over Samsung simply due to the fact that same generation cameras like NEX5/6 and NX300 have same kind of AF speed. A6000 is a new generation, so I wanted to see what comparable camera will be on market from Samsung. More competition is always good for buyer, since it pushes manufacturer to produce better cameras and innovate.

3. Please see above.

Hmm, I guess no one wants to tell you the Samsung forum secrets . Anyway, we don't know much about it yet, but look out the NX1 as the most likely AF king from Samsung, if they're bringing out anything huge AF wise then that would probably be the one. Don't get your hopes up too high though, just watch for it periodically and see what news comes out.

 

[tecnoworld]

+1 my friend, I totally agree! It's nice to read objective and unbiased posts from time to time!!

I still think I won't go with nex (let me call them this way) even if the a6000 seems much better than anything else in aps-c mirrorless. The lenses are really subpar. I'll be patiently waiting, hoping that samsung feels the pressure and, sooner or later, comes out with a competitive body (shape, features and price).

 

[Raw Jaw]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras, A7 EVF in top left corner (no hump!), A7 grip, A7 menu/UI, A7 much improved jpeg engine with latest fast BIONZ-X chip, built-in tilt (bounce mode) flash and all this in a small NEX-6 like body for $650 body or $800 kit!

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

So, go out on Wednesday and buy one.

You are praising a camera over Samsung and it has not been released yet.

May I ask the purpose of your thread?

Why that attitude? As to your questions:

1. As you may know I said Sony is announcing, so it will be a while before it will be in shops.

2. I'm not praising it over Samsung simply due to the fact that same generation cameras like NEX5/6 and NX300 have same kind of AF speed. A6000 is a new generation, so I wanted to see what comparable camera will be on market from Samsung. More competition is always good for buyer, since it pushes manufacturer to produce better cameras and innovate.

3. Please see above.

I have no 'attitude'.

In your post you praise Fuji AF and then Sony AF, then you incorrectly state:

"From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF...."

I and others above do not agree with your statement.

See above.

 

[arbuz]

Single AF

NX300: 0.116 second

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NEX-6: 0.257 second

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Nex-7: 0.223 second

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Basically you're don't know what you're talking about. You coming here out of nowehere, spreading false information based on wrong assumption adn claiming Samsung is bad on Samsung forum. Go trolling somewhere else.

 

[tjobbe]

Single AF

NX300: 0.116 second

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx300/samsung-nx300A6.HTM

NEX-6: 0.257 second

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-nex-6/sony-nex-6A6.HTM

Nex-7: 0.223 second

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX7/NEX7A6.HTM

Basically you're don't know what you're talking about. You coming here out of nowehere, spreading false information based on wrong assumption adn claiming Samsung is bad on Samsung forum. Go trolling somewhere else.

well,

and the Fuji E1 0.438 second

X100S (which is said to be on par with the E2) 0.320 second

EDIT: my recommendation to Samsung is to no slow the NX30 down to the level of its APS-C peers

 

[NewForce]

Interesting that Fuji came out with X-T1 that supposedly has fast AF tracking - which is really good for action or shooting jumping and running kids or sport. Now on Wednesday Sony is going to announce its NEX-6/7 replacement A6000 which is quite a unique camera if you care to look at its specs: 24.3Mp sensor with OSPDAF fastest among E-mount cameras, A7 EVF in top left corner (no hump!), A7 grip, A7 menu/UI, A7 much improved jpeg engine with latest fast BIONZ-X chip, built-in tilt (bounce mode) flash and all this in a small NEX-6 like body for $650 body or $800 kit!

So basically now Sony will have a fast AF as well. From APS-C players that leaves only Samsung yet to introduce a camera with fast AF (preferably with fast tracking AF). Is there any camera on horizon that can fulfill that dream of finally DSLR like AF (I'm exaggerating of course)?

So, go out on Wednesday and buy one.

You are praising a camera over Samsung and it has not been released yet.

May I ask the purpose of your thread?

arbuz wrote:

Single AF

NX300: 0.116 second

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/samsung-nx300/samsung-nx300A6.HTM

NEX-6: 0.257 second

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-nex-6/sony-nex-6A6.HTM

Nex-7: 0.223 second

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/NEX7/NEX7A6.HTM

Basically you're don't know what you're talking about. You coming here out of nowehere, spreading false information based on wrong assumption adn claiming Samsung is bad on Samsung forum. Go trolling somewhere else.

Probably not the same guy like the other multiple lies UGLY TROLL here. You know who I mean. ;-)

To Donny,

Not body is perfect, no camera makers are perfect. PhaseOne, Hasselblad, Mamiya, Leica, Canon, Nikon, Samsung, Sony, Fuji and Pentax they are all the same.

So to me your manner here was not an appropriate approach with your OP and continue posts. You see, this is Samung Talk, so if don't you like about Samsung like the other troll/Samsung hater, then try not to come here and telling some false information.

It is just like you don't go to your family, in law, relatives, friends or colleague's houses and tell them how you don't like or hater about their house, how ugly their look and how bad the way they live their life.

It's not only make you very bad in personality & mentality, it also turn you into another ugly troll (just like the other one somewhere here) and sounded extremely stupid.

Lastly, if you really like about Sony and Fuji, you always have the choice to go to Sony Talk or Fuji Talk and start a thread about how good they are and how bad Samsung was. I've believed all the people there will echo and praises hard to whatever you'll say, even if that was nothing but a lie.