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Gary Martin said:
Also, if you already own a DA*300, it's going to seem like a must-have purchase, certainly cheaper than buying a DA*420/5.6 by itself.
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GossCTP said:
Man - I thought it would be pricey, but they surprised me. My A* 300 and Vivitar 1.4x cost less combined than that converter. It even makes the 1.7x look cheap.

On a side note.... "exemplifies our commitment to providing photographers with useful products and accessories that enable them to execute their creative vision."

What an unimaginative load of tripe.

I miss the Ned days.
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viking79 said:
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Mike Arledge said:
and here is the full specs from B+H

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029081-REG/ricoh_37962_1_4x_hd_da_af.html
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But amongst the compatible lenses mentioned, is also the Pentax HD560mm that features a maximum aperture of f5.6. Of course a warning is given that phase AF may be inaccurate.
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I wonder why AF would be inaccurate, because it is f/8 effective?
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They're just covering their arses ... F8 to F10 AF has been demonstrated to work in many but not all situations, basically all they're saying is it might not work but officially it won't work.
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They seem to have gone for the uncompromising IQ route, judging by the price...
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Maybe just went for uncompromising price.

The Canon 1.4x III is 7 elements in 3 groups, where this Pentax is 4 elements in 3 groups.

It also makes me wonder if they had to put special electronics in it to make it work. Don't people say the Tamron with PZ contacts doesn't focus properly with some lenses?

Eric
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MightyMike said:
GossCTP said:
Man - I thought it would be pricey, but they surprised me. My A* 300 and Vivitar 1.4x cost less combined than that converter. It even makes the 1.7x look cheap.

On a side note.... "exemplifies our commitment to providing photographers with useful products and accessories that enable them to execute their creative vision."

What an unimaginative load of tripe.

I miss the Ned days.
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MightyMike said:
GossCTP said:
Man - I thought it would be pricey, but they surprised me. My A* 300 and Vivitar 1.4x cost less combined than that converter. It even makes the 1.7x look cheap.

On a side note.... "exemplifies our commitment to providing photographers with useful products and accessories that enable them to execute their creative vision."

What an unimaginative load of tripe.

I miss the Ned days.
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Greyser said:
MightyMike said:
GossCTP said:
Man - I thought it would be pricey, but they surprised me. My A* 300 and Vivitar 1.4x cost less combined than that converter. It even makes the 1.7x look cheap.

On a side note.... "exemplifies our commitment to providing photographers with useful products and accessories that enable them to execute their creative vision."

What an unimaginative load of tripe.

I miss the Ned days.
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MrLuffy said:
If one thinks that it is aiming for an FF camera lens compatibility, it might be interesting to see that they did not comment on the FA's and they warned that the teleconverter will not be able to convert the DA 15 and DA 21 to full frame compatible.
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Given this TC has been on the roadmap for sooo long now (almost rivals the 645D !), i think its more of a case of people who believe a FF is coming are affirming their beliefs however they can.

We've seen nothing to even suggest a FF pentax is coming, we had more of a clue that the 645DII was coming and the TC and they have arrived.

If anything this news means no FF camera this year. maybe if one is actually under development then Photokina will preview a model for 2015, but i'm far more skeptical and have read or seen nothing that to me indicates it is coming.
 
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MightyMike said:
Greyser said:
MightyMike said:
GossCTP said:
Man - I thought it would be pricey, but they surprised me. My A* 300 and Vivitar 1.4x cost less combined than that converter. It even makes the 1.7x look cheap.

On a side note.... "exemplifies our commitment to providing photographers with useful products and accessories that enable them to execute their creative vision."

What an unimaginative load of tripe.

I miss the Ned days.

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Through the window in the wall
Come streaming in on sunlight wings
A million bright ambassadors of morning
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Waaaaaaaa Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaa.... just goes to show how !!!cheap!!! many pentaxians really are... the d@mn thing is market value compared to all the competitors... All you hear day in and day out on this forum is we want this and that and the other thing, we want faster lenses more impressive zooms and primes but no one person on this forum who asks for such things ever wants to pay the cost. The problem with Pentax over the last decade is not that they've been late to the game or lacking in technology its that their customers are so cheap they'd rather buy someones junk from a garage sale than an appropriately priced modern product. They all sit their demanding the best and b!tching about the cost

Grow the F up, if you can't afford it don't ask for it, This is the problem with not just Pentax but most of the developed world these days, people don't know how to manage money, always demand more then they can afford then expect everyone else to pay for it. Socialism at its finest!

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Hi Mike,

I definitely can afford it but won't buy it for $599. Period.
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The Canon 1.4x III is $580 Canadian, $466 USD, the USD amount makes the Pentax look high but what was the MSRP cost of the III when it was launched? Likely a bit higher... Now consider this the street price of the Pentax will likely be around $550, and within a few months to a year it'd be down to $500, all very realistic given the competition...

The AF540 flash is freaking expensive IMO but so are the top priced Canon and Nikon flashes, thats why i bought the Metz 58AF-2... this doesn't mean i think the Pentax price is wrong, it just means the Pentax price is more then I'm willing to pay.

So I'll keep using my Sigma 1.4x and Tamron 1.4x PZ and let other people buy the Pentax 1.4x... I'm one of those people who doesn't buy what i really don't need and I've never really felt the need for a Pentax branded AW 1.4x TC regardless of price... sure if it was below $200 I'd buy it just to try it out but not because i need or want it.

How many people have you seen on this forum asking for fast premium primes and 135-400mm F4 lenses for $2000 and a FF under $1500... its darn idiot!c to expect such things cheap and its even stup!der to complain when(if) such things get launched at market values.

Clearly I'm sick of people demanding what they could never afford and complaining that Pentax doesn't offer it and then complaining when Pentax does offer it at market value. If Pentax were to price itself below market value and offer everything people are demanding it would go under in less than 3 years! They really need to weed out their cheap customers who are dragging them into the ground and appeal more to the customers willing to spend proper market prices on newly launched products. Sure keep cheap products in the line but don't cater all products to people who are too cheap to pay market value!

end another rant!
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I still believe that 7-elements Canon 1.4 x extender is optically superior to 4-elements design. So, the price comparison is not fair.

However, I agree with you. I would shoot my Sigma 500/4.5 and second body FA*300/4.5 +/- Sigma or Tamron 1.4x TC for quite some time before even thinking to upgrade. DA*300/4 owners may feel very tempted, though.
 
Two things. First, compatibility with in-lens focus motors. Second, weather sealing.

And of course the price tag.
 
Greyser said:
MightyMike said:
Greyser said:
MightyMike said:
GossCTP said:
Man - I thought it would be pricey, but they surprised me. My A* 300 and Vivitar 1.4x cost less combined than that converter. It even makes the 1.7x look cheap.

On a side note.... "exemplifies our commitment to providing photographers with useful products and accessories that enable them to execute their creative vision."

What an unimaginative load of tripe.

I miss the Ned days.
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MightyMike said:
MightyMike said:
I wonder why AF would be inaccurate, because it is f/8 effective?
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They're just covering their arses ... F8 to F10 AF has been demonstrated to work in many but not all situations, basically all they're saying is it might not work but officially it won't work.
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Thanks, so thankfully, unlike Canon, the camera doesn't block AF intentionally at small apertures, it just might not be as accurate or able to focus. I prefer the Pentax way, so at least if you are in good light you can still focus.

Eric
 
Greyser said:
I still believe that 7-elements Canon 1.4 x extender is optically superior to 4-elements design. So, the price comparison is not fair.
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Yeah, at that price for something a lot less complex than the competition, I hope this doesn't turn into another 560 AW.
Greyser said:
However, I agree with you. I would shoot my Sigma 500/4.5 and second body FA*300/4.5 +/- Sigma or Tamron 1.4x TC for quite some time before even thinking to upgrade. DA*300/4 owners may feel very tempted, though.
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Yeah, I'm having to seriously consider the 300/4 and TC, but this pushes the pair to $2000, which makes it a lot more likely that I'll end up steering toward something like a Bigma instead.

Probably what I really want is the Tamron 150-600.
 
MightyMike said:
MightyMike said:
Don't write that Pentax design off just yet, but if its too much for you, don't complain, just don't buy it, you've got more than enough TC's to keep you occupied.
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The design may be fine enough. And I don't complain. Actually, I haven't use a TC for other purposes than testing for more than a year. My point is that it is exactly what happened to our long kept expectations regarding 560/5.6: too questionable, too overpriced. And I lost half of a year waiting for this telescope instead of doubtfully buying the Sigma.

I would guess, if Ricoh/Pentax ever released something like Sigma 500/4.5, they would price it at $7000-8000 just to be on the same page with big players. Kind of shameful...
 
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