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Does anybody know if Fujifilm is planning to make a full frame X-type camera?
 
Does anybody know if Fujifilm is planning to make a full frame X-type camera?
I believe the literal answer to your specific question is 'no'.

There are 2 justifications for this view.

One it that senior Fujifilm personnel have publicly said so.

The other is that the X system lenses are designed for the APS-C sized sensor, so they wont physically work with a larger sensor, at least not without vignetting and various other corner and edge issues.

Therefore if a FF is ever made by Fujifilm it wont be part of the X series.

In the fast changing world of digital photography, I wouldn't rule anything out. So will they ever make FF? That remains to be seen despite the public announcements. If they do make FF it just simply won't be compatible with the X range.

Given the Fujifilm's history of liking higher ticket items, nothing would surprise me, not even a large format offering of some sort.
 
Does anybody know if Fujifilm is planning to make a full frame X-type camera?
Fuji don't really have a choice and I would expect a FF Fuji at some point in middle to late 2014, Fuji recently said that they were not going to make a FF camera when asked in an interview but they were unlikely to say anything but at this point as it would impact sales of the current and upcoming lenses, also Fuji could have released an updated X-Pro1 as they did with the X-E2 but they haven't and I suspect that they are working on a FF camera and possibly a DSLR shaped APS-C model.
I completely disagree. Please don't take offense.

I think it is interesting that a 24mmx36mm sensor has been dubbed the ideal. Why? At some point in the future, smaller (than 24x36) sensors will be capable of producing higher resolution and lower noise (image quality) than most people need (they might be close to that already). If someone really wants the shallow depth of field offered by a larger sensor, why be stuck with 24x36? It is a moderate increase (from APS-C) at amost twice the weight and size and would put Fuji in a market that is more than flooded already with Nikon, Canon (these guys will come to the game with a mirrorless very very soon I am sure), Sony, Etc. Why not produce a much larger sensor. Fuji certainly has the history with their 645s, 6x9s, even 617s. If you want to go big, go BIG! I for one would be willing to buy a (much) larger than FF camera from Fuji even if it was very expensive. Right now, the market is thin (Leica S2, MF Backs, Hassleblad) and VERY expensive. Fuji already has the lenses patented and created already from those older LF cameras.
Sony's A7/R cameras have probably started to impact upon Fuji X sales and while the lens selection might be limited at present Sony/Zeiss have shown that FF primes can still be small, light and very high quality.
I don't think a single Sony lens is as good as the 14mm, 35mm and 23mm from Fuji. They are an electronics company. And they have done that right. The D800e sensor is Sony. Great job. But as for lenses, they are eons behind.

Again, it is like walking on eggshells around here sometimes. None of this is meant to offend you, nor degrade your opinion. I am just putting more card on the table.
Unfortunately internet forums produce "keyboard Hero's" and some people cannot except that their opinions are not shared by everyone, some people see and want the benefits of a FF sensor while others feel that an APS-C meets their needs and there should be no need for a FF Fuji or for anyone else to want one and they lies the problem.

I totally agree, the 14, 35 and 23 are excellent and so too is the 18mm and that the Sony lens for the APS-C NEX were not nearly as good in most respects however the new Sony/Zeiss 35 and 55 lenses for the A7/R are extremely good, are they better than the 23 and 35 Fuji lenses? I would say yes when coupled with the A7R sensor.

I like my X-E1 + 18-55, it's small, light and still offers very good image quality but for a small system shooting primes and legacy lenses the A7/R has a lot going for it
 
All we know is that the answer is 'no' today and that Fuji execs have said that they aren't going to market one in the near future. But this is business. Fuji will follow the money toward FF IF it makes economic sense for them to do so.

One is reminded of the time some years back when Nikon execs didn't actually say that there would never be a Nikon FF, but made it very easy to believe that they were wholly committed to APSC and FF was nowhere in sight. Things change.

Many respondents in this thread have referred to the fact that Fuji doesn't have any FF lenses. People should not under-estimate optical companies' ability to manufacture multiple mounts. Almost every company already has multiple mounts - we tend to think here of still photography mounts, but to these must be added lenses for movie cameras, video, TV, security cameras, industrial lenses and any number of optical instruments. Modern CNC machining makes it far easier to design and make them than yester-year. Just have a look at the myriad of small Chinese companies making adapters for the mirror-less market. They're setting up and making adapters for almost every lens to almost every mount - literally hundreds of models. Fuji would start like Sony did (which was like Fuji did with the X system)...... release a camera with a limited suite of good lenses and expand from there.

Rod
 
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Does anybody know if Fujifilm is planning to make a full frame X-type camera?
Fuji don't really have a choice and I would expect a FF Fuji at some point in middle to late 2014, Fuji recently said that they were not going to make a FF camera when asked in an interview but they were unlikely to say anything but at this point as it would impact sales of the current and upcoming lenses, also Fuji could have released an updated X-Pro1 as they did with the X-E2 but they haven't and I suspect that they are working on a FF camera and possibly a DSLR shaped APS-C model.
I completely disagree. Please don't take offense.

I think it is interesting that a 24mmx36mm sensor has been dubbed the ideal. Why? At some point in the future, smaller (than 24x36) sensors will be capable of producing higher resolution and lower noise (image quality) than most people need (they might be close to that already). If someone really wants the shallow depth of field offered by a larger sensor, why be stuck with 24x36? It is a moderate increase (from APS-C) at amost twice the weight and size and would put Fuji in a market that is more than flooded already with Nikon, Canon (these guys will come to the game with a mirrorless very very soon I am sure), Sony, Etc. Why not produce a much larger sensor. Fuji certainly has the history with their 645s, 6x9s, even 617s. If you want to go big, go BIG! I for one would be willing to buy a (much) larger than FF camera from Fuji even if it was very expensive. Right now, the market is thin (Leica S2, MF Backs, Hassleblad) and VERY expensive. Fuji already has the lenses patented and created already from those older LF cameras.
Sony's A7/R cameras have probably started to impact upon Fuji X sales and while the lens selection might be limited at present Sony/Zeiss have shown that FF primes can still be small, light and very high quality.
I don't think a single Sony lens is as good as the 14mm, 35mm and 23mm from Fuji. They are an electronics company. And they have done that right. The D800e sensor is Sony. Great job. But as for lenses, they are eons behind.

Again, it is like walking on eggshells around here sometimes. None of this is meant to offend you, nor degrade your opinion. I am just putting more card on the table.
Unfortunately internet forums produce "keyboard Hero's" and some people cannot except that their opinions are not shared by everyone, some people see and want the benefits of a FF sensor while others feel that an APS-C meets their needs and there should be no need for a FF Fuji or for anyone else to want one and they lies the problem.

I totally agree, the 14, 35 and 23 are excellent and so too is the 18mm and that the Sony lens for the APS-C NEX were not nearly as good in most respects however the new Sony/Zeiss 35 and 55 lenses for the A7/R are extremely good, are they better than the 23 and 35 Fuji lenses? I would say yes when coupled with the A7R sensor.
Sony needs to work harder on their image as a camera maker. The shutter shake issue is alienating the pro users who aren't able to take advantage of the sensor's resolution. They need to find a fix as this is the type of design problem that can impact the reputation of Sony camera gear.

Sal
I like my X-E1 + 18-55, it's small, light and still offers very good image quality but for a small system shooting primes and legacy lenses the A7/R has a lot going for it
 
I thought the OVF/EVF viewfinder and its framing parallax correction of the XP1 was slowing me down already enough. :-)
 
As far as I know MF lenses won't fit FF, which was the original post subject.
 
- Fuji is one of the pioneers in digital photography. Still, they have not brought to the market a single 35mm sensor, not have they brought to the market one single digital 35mm camera. They did sell, in Japan only, a digital back for the GX680, a Super CCD, in very small quantities, larger than 35mm but not quite a fit for a smaller camera.

- Representatives from Fuji, management level people, have said not once, but several times, that Fuji does not have an intention to develop and sell a digital 35mm camera. Rather the opposite, actually. They have stated very clearly that they believe that the future is in smaller sensor. So far, they have been proven right.

- Fuji recently launched a rather successful range of new cameras, the X System, with several high quality lenses. These cameras and lenses are based solely around APS-C sized sensors but still boast photographic capabilities close or equal to those of competing 35mm cameras.

- Although a 35mm sensor will probably fit in an X-body, a complete set of new lenses would have to be developed an manufactured, lenses that would be larger, heavier and more expensive than the already very good lenses made for the APS-C format.

- 35mm digital cameras represent a tiny fraction of the photography market. If Fuji would be able to make a profit from that part of the market is anybody's guess, but it will for sure be harder than making a profit from the excellent cameras and lenses that they already make.

In spite of all this, there are people on this forum that more or less every week ask the same silly question: "Will Fuji make a full frame camera?". And the answer has been given just as many times: "No, Fuji will most probably not make a full frame camera if with full frame you mean 35mm."

Learn to read. Go out, take some photos. Spend your money on what's already available. If you want 35mm, buy a Nikon or a Canon or a Sony. And if you can't manage life without a Fuji 35mm camera, by a Fuji Klasse. Be prepared though, that the memory strip will only take 36 or 37 RAW exposures and that chemicals are needed to see the images.
 

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