Can we have an MFT DF?

a true retro Olympus using the OM-1 as a base for design and keep the dials and improve upon them like what Nikon does with the DF, add ISO, exposure adjustment dials, a round dial in front a la DF (Contax G2), faux leather and all

The EM1, even though a very competent camera, is not really what I call by a handsome camera ; it's design is too awkward or shall I dare say not coherent; it looks more like a patched up EM5 and the design is not whole and smooth

I look forward to the next incarnation of the OMD using the DF as a basis for true aesthetics (keep it smaller and lighter and cheaper than the DF)

cheers ;-)
 
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Quite, but i don't want the dials because they are retro, but because they make operating the camera much faster and simpler.
Take a look at the DF - ISO on the left, where it belongs, exp comp on top, shutter speed on the right.
How is it faster to adjust the ISO with your left hand, or do you always hold the camera body with your left hand?
And if it were MFT we could have an aperture ring at the base of the mount (where shutter speed was on the OM1).
How would you do that? Make the entire m43 body thinner, just so the base of the lens mount would stick out past the body enough to make room for a shutter speed control ring? Go have a look at an OM1 and see how much room there is between the base of the lens and the front of the camera body. It has that much room because of the mirror box which an m43 camera doesn't have, which is why m43 bodies are so much thinner. What you're asking for will have a very high engineering cost with questionable value.
 
If you don't need video then you have an extra function button available.
 
will be a stripped down, back to basics design for the OM purist?

Perhaps make the OM adapter w an actuator for the OM lenses.
 
I'm well versed with both. I've shot for money (although not full time) in the 80s and the noughties.
I find the old layout much faster. I don't like to control a camera with just two wheels (and only one wheel makes it horrible). I dislike multi mode controls, they are distracting.
Quite, but i don't want the dials because they are retro, but because they make operating the camera much faster and simpler.
Uh, no. Not really. I wish this fallacy could die, because it's starting to get on my nerves a little. Different, yes; easier, maybe if you're not used to the control scheme of a modern camera; definitely not faster once you're well-versed with it.
Likewise, I've owned and used several OM film bodies which I loved very much (still have my OM-1n). I've also have a couple of Nikon F's, an F2, and an F3 Photomic.

I don't find that having a shutter control dial on the top deck (ala older film Nikons, Canons, etc) to be faster than having it on a front or rear dial. I suspect that Nikon and Canon feel the same way, which is why none of their pro cameras have the shutter speed control in that location. In fact, even in the film cameras, they ended up getting rid of that style of shutter speed control.

Same with the ISO control dial on the left top deck. Most enthusiast and pro photographers use their left hand to cradle the lens, not hold the body. So adjusting ISO with the old-style control would involve holding the camera with the right hand hand in order to adjust ISO. Not exactly a quick and easy thing to do if you're using a long lens.

The aperture I can see being nice to have on the lens. It falls to hand very easily since your left hand is already cradling the lens. But there's always the disconnect between it and the actual aperture used whenever you use P or S mode, unless it forces you to switch the aperture ring to an AUTO setting in order to use P or S, which then means an extra step to use those modes. Also, moving aperture control to an on-body dial means that aperture direction stays the same, instead of being dictated by the lens manufacturer.

I think multi-use front/rear dials make more sense on today's cameras simply because there are a lot more parameters and features. They also let you hold onto the camera while making adjustments much better than the controls used on older film cameras (by that, I'm talking about the same adjustments such as aperture, ISO, shutter speed).

I understand your preference for the simplicity and familiarity of the old style controls but I disagree with your assertion that the GOOD modern control layouts are not as fast or efficient.
 
I'm well versed with both. I've shot for money (although not full time) in the 80s and the noughties.
I find the old layout much faster. I don't like to control a camera with just two wheels (and only one wheel makes it horrible). I dislike multi mode controls, they are distracting.
Sorry for the multi-nest quotes, but I don't want to make too many posts. I hope this is readable.

Anyway, this is like I said, a matter of getting used to. The new way is faster. There is a lot less hand/arm movement with the right control layout. You just press and turn a dial. With the old controls there's a lot of movement from shooting position (left hand on lens, right hand on shutter release) to controls and back. I'm shooting for money now and for me doing things the old way will throw me into a fit.
Same with the ISO control dial on the left top deck. Most enthusiast and pro photographers use their left hand to cradle the lens, not hold the body. So adjusting ISO with the old-style control would involve holding the camera with the right hand hand in order to adjust ISO. Not exactly a quick and easy thing to do if you're using a long lens.
And this is where the GH3 is an improvement for me over the Nikon. Nikons in general require you to use the left hand to change ISO, at least for the pro bodies. It's on the top-deck on the left where the faux film-winder knob is, or it's below the LCD via a flip door for single digit Ds. I loved my Nikons, but that was the one thing I wish they changed.
 
A camera with no stupid video rubbish clagged on top, and proper aperture, shutter speed and exp comp controls! Well done Nikon with the DF, despite the stupid price.
It's FF unfortunately, and I've been there, done that, not doing it again.
That and ditch all the dross, like "art filters", in-camera editing, too!
 
A camera with no stupid video rubbish clagged on top, and proper aperture, shutter speed and exp comp controls!
Well, I believe that except for controls, the E-M1 pretty much ticks all those boxes. Especially the video rubish one. ;)
 
It's a digital F3 and that's what it looks like (don't where this digital FM stuff comes from).
Because the prism cover is designed just like the ones from the FM bodies. It looks NOTHING like an F3 prism.
Rest of the camera looks very F3...

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Nikons in general require you to use the left hand to change ISO, at least for the pro bodies. It's on the top-deck on the left where the faux film-winder knob is, or it's below the LCD via a flip door for single digit Ds.
flip door ??
Duh, my brain ran away from me. I was thinking about the D1, that had the flip door. The D2 to D4 line doesn't have it, obviously.
 
External controls are great, but I think Nikon went a bit overboard. It looks like a big brother to a few of the Canon G series, with dials stacked on top of dials.

Fuji has given the most appealing example of pure classic controls in my eyes- aperture on the lens, shutter speed and exposure dials on the top. Room for 1 customizable wheel, and that's all I'd need.
 
Quite, but i don't want the dials because they are retro, but because they make operating the camera much faster and simpler.
Uh, no. Not really. I wish this fallacy could die, because it's starting to get on my nerves a little. Different, yes; easier, maybe if you're not used to the control scheme of a modern camera; definitely not faster once you're well-versed with it.
I agree with you 100%. The fact that pro Canon and Nikon bodies eschew the old-style control layout suggests that the modern layout is quite effective.
 
Same with the ISO control dial on the left top deck. Most enthusiast and pro photographers use their left hand to cradle the lens, not hold the body. So adjusting ISO with the old-style control would involve holding the camera with the right hand hand in order to adjust ISO. Not exactly a quick and easy thing to do if you're using a long lens.
And this is where the GH3 is an improvement for me over the Nikon. Nikons in general require you to use the left hand to change ISO, at least for the pro bodies. It's on the top-deck on the left where the faux film-winder knob is, or it's below the LCD via a flip door for single digit Ds. I loved my Nikons, but that was the one thing I wish they changed.
Agreed. The location of the ISO button my D300 annoys me everytime I use it.
 
Weird. The FM was a cheapish consumer camera up at which I turned my nose. This is a rattling great high speed heavyweigh.

Personally, I wish they had based it on the D800 and not the D4, but since I'm not the target market, whatever...
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It's a digital F3 and that's what it looks like (don't where this digital FM stuff comes from).
Because the prism cover is designed just like the ones from the FM bodies. It looks NOTHING like an F3 prism.
Rest of the camera looks very F3...
 
I really like the DF knobs and layout. I also like one-button video.

I like my E-PL5, but have to re-learn the controls every time I use it.

No one camera will make everyone happy.
 

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