GPW
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Does anyone think that the Nikon "DF" camera will sell more than the much wanted D400 DX?
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abcdefghijklmnop
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If the Df is priced into the slot a D400 would be expected to take, $1600, then I would expect that sales will be very good and that price would also seem to lessen the chance of a D400.
Check back in 5 days and we all will have better answers.
Check back in 5 days and we all will have better answers.
the recent trends on pricing with Nikon Products would suggest that "if" there were a D400, it would be more likely to be in the $2000 bracket, thats assuming it had the quality of biuld and ergonomics of the D300 and also the features most D300 owners wanted in a successor.
Dispite the huge amount of publicity the new DF is getting, we still know next to nothing about what features it will have, apart from the obvious conclusions based on the external controls that we can see so far .
its reputed to have the "D4" sensor , one of the best sensors around, and, apart from megapixel mania brigede ,it should appeal to a great many users ,no video appeals to many too , myself included .
I would hope that nikon have a lot more "under the hood" regarding software features , and the use of the word "Hybrid" suggests according to NR , a Hybrid evf/ovf. the pentaprism housing is remarkably long (front to back) . either way we will all know about the whole package soon , I dismiss those comments regarding the pointlessness of bringing out such a retro DSLR, instead of concentrating on a D400 etc.
I am excited about what we have seen so far , and personally think it will be a really successful Model , that is providing Nikon does not "drop the ball" like they did with the D600 QC.
regardless of if any of us are interested in this model personally, it would seem quite a departure from the "normal" Nikon DSLR Models, I have to admit new technology, simplyfied in a retro body is an exciting prospect.
Dispite the huge amount of publicity the new DF is getting, we still know next to nothing about what features it will have, apart from the obvious conclusions based on the external controls that we can see so far .
its reputed to have the "D4" sensor , one of the best sensors around, and, apart from megapixel mania brigede ,it should appeal to a great many users ,no video appeals to many too , myself included .
I would hope that nikon have a lot more "under the hood" regarding software features , and the use of the word "Hybrid" suggests according to NR , a Hybrid evf/ovf. the pentaprism housing is remarkably long (front to back) . either way we will all know about the whole package soon , I dismiss those comments regarding the pointlessness of bringing out such a retro DSLR, instead of concentrating on a D400 etc.
I am excited about what we have seen so far , and personally think it will be a really successful Model , that is providing Nikon does not "drop the ball" like they did with the D600 QC.
regardless of if any of us are interested in this model personally, it would seem quite a departure from the "normal" Nikon DSLR Models, I have to admit new technology, simplyfied in a retro body is an exciting prospect.
My guess would be more like $2500. I agree expecting a camera with all the spec people expect from a D400 at a price point just $2-300 more than a D7100 isn't based in reality.
rhlpetrus
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The only hope is the Great White Hope, Canon releasing a 7D2.
jimoyer
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n057
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Kerry Pierce
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I would expect the d400 to outsell the DF by at least 10:1. I also would expect that the d800(e) models would also easily outsell the DF, unless there is something really special about the DF that nobody yet knows about.
But, Nikon has to quit screwing around with the d400 very soon. The more folks that give up and go elsewhere, the fewer buyers there will be.
Kerry
petermoons
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cheers, peter.
bravozulu
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Oh do I wish there was evidence of a D400. I am on the edge about upgrading to a D7100 from a D7000. The latter serves me well, but has some ergonomic disadvantages. Due to age, I can't see the LCD well in sunlight. Icons are too small there, and on the Control Panel and Viewfinder.
So I typically crank in some settings and let the automation of the camera take control. But I wan't a much better camera, not just a variation on a theme, as is the D7100. I am attracted to the 51-point AF.
A preference for lighter weight gear, and my investment in 4 DX lenses makes we want to continue with the crop sensor body.
I've never seen nor touched a D300. So, pull out your crystal balls and speculate on my behalf. What do you think Nikon would throw out there to attract serious and pro DX shooters? What features, what specifications?
So I typically crank in some settings and let the automation of the camera take control. But I wan't a much better camera, not just a variation on a theme, as is the D7100. I am attracted to the 51-point AF.
A preference for lighter weight gear, and my investment in 4 DX lenses makes we want to continue with the crop sensor body.
I've never seen nor touched a D300. So, pull out your crystal balls and speculate on my behalf. What do you think Nikon would throw out there to attract serious and pro DX shooters? What features, what specifications?
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Bajerunner
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Firstly, we do not yet know the actual specs of the DF. The only thing that we *seem* to know is that it has the D4 sensor.
That alone may make it more attractive to the D610 for some.
But, we know no other specs.
I will go against what seems to be the thinking as I believe that the DF will be MUCH better spc'd than the D610.
The back AF -ON button, previously included in the top end 'pro' and sem-pro cameras, is there. That indicates it CAN be used for fast shooting and the AF is probably same as D300 / d700.
Secondly, the ability to take manual focus lenses OR AF, indicates that the finder is more advanced than that even in the D800 or D4. i.e., it has either focus peaking or is interchangeable or screens interchangeable.
The 'leave outs' may be other things that do not matter.
The thing is, *IF* it has the D4 sensor and the D700 AF, plus ability to interchange focusing screens or finders and can shoot fast, it IS the D700 replacement, just in a different styled body, nothing worry about.
Hopefully the body is strong and well made.
On the issue of whether it will sell more than D400, *IF* it is as above i.e. D700 replacement, sure it will sell a lot, more than D400, who knows.
If it is purely *MF and basic AF i.e. D610 focusing*, it probably wont sell very well.
MF capability i.e. (with screens or focus peaking) should be a supplement to excellent AF, with what the competition is doing.
So, unlike others, I do think it will be an exciting camera, but we don't know the specs for sure, that is just speculation based on the little tidbits so far.
Also, contrary to others, I think the price will not be prohibitive, but rather affordable. It is clear that FF prices are coming down indeed, the D800 two years ago should have made that clear, released for the amazing price as it was. A lot for some including me, but very fair.
Likewise, a D400 type, surely Nikon could bring for less than before (1,800 before), closer to K3 prices (1,300).
I also *speculate*, that this release is another to grab interest, to focus on the market that Nikon *needs*, as the entry level DX market goes bye bye to camera / smartphones.
Because of that, I expect we can look for a D400, Nikon and Canon have got to distinguish their cameras from the cheapo smartphones out there, the cheap entry DX with variable aperture lenses don't do that.
Heck, just go to the FX forum and see the comparison with the new Nokia and the D800.
Do you really think the youngsters will buy a variable aperture DX over that phone with that inbuilt camera???
I think what we are seeing is the *market distinguishing* drive from Nikon, to combat *phonitis*... the D400 will come too.
May I humble but boldly say...Canon and Nikon now have no choice but to bring the D400, to *move* their whole line UP?
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Bajerunner
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I agree, while we yet have to see the actual specs, the D4 sensor, AF-ON button, ability to work well with MF lenses, that already puts it above the D610, well above.
In fact, I think what we are seeing is Nikon (no offense meant here coming) *reminding* people that they are photographers....releasing *real* cameras, not *smartphones*.
Could be wrong though.... ;-)
PS - I would have thought that the *young boomers* want the smartphone with xxxx cameras that actually work very well. THAT is the whole issue. Check facebook and see how many ask..* anyone has the Iphone %* blah blah blah....
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n057
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jkjond
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peter - far too direct, you need to be more subliminal with renato, kinda like
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petermoons
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forgot this is dpr. no need for pampering in here.
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jkjond
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True. I pop in here from time to time for a burger and chips washed down with a can of tets
Mr Gadget
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I would assume that it would, since it will be announced on the 5th of November and as yet, there is nothing to indicate that Nikon has a "D400" in the wings...
Having said that, to me the DF is looking to me very much like the D700 replacement that many folks have been looking for. Given the small differences between the D700 and D300 bodies, might we see the D300 replacement in the form of a DX version of the DF? Swap in a 16 to 24 mpx DX chip along with an Expeed4 processor, MD4 style battery pack and boost the frame rate up to 8-10 fps and you would have a reasonable top line DX body. Note the DF does have that little FX emblem on the lower front right - this kind of makes sense, if there is a DX version in the wings as a way to ID each type?
I know, wishful speculation on my part, but I can hope. :-D
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