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I'm slightly off-put by the idea of employing clacky mechanical dials for the purpose of actuating electronic modules. Seems kind of silly. Like a juke box playing MP3s.
Dials are no different from buttons in my opinion. Both have moving parts and give tactile feedback. Everyone seems to be replacing mechanical inputs with capacitive touchscreens, but there's no denying that touchscreens are almost unusable for changing settings without taking your eyes away from the viewfinder. There's also something incredibly satisfying about feeling and hearing something click into place.
If my experience typing on a tablet touch screen is any indicator, I am better off with nice tactile keys and knobs. Probably just me though... also, making matters worse for me is that the damn tablet is forever trying to substitute words for some of the ones that I type on it. I am sure I could turn off this helpful feature, but it requires dumpster diving into a mass of menus...
 
no, thats your own opinion. i see this as a very limited market camera. who has 2k + to buy a body only? the most sold cameras are the consumer lines.

And that sir would be your opinion, I have the money and I have been looking for a camera like this for sometime, and as near as I can tell I am not alone. True it is not a D3200 throw away or a point and shoot, but those markets are being consumed by cell/smart phones, what you are referring to are consumer toys, not professional tools.
 
So glad Nikon is coming out with this. Really do not like how the D800 & D600/610 feel in my hands. I know it should be an improvement over the D3/D700 ergonomics but it sure doesn't feel that way to me. Holding the D800 & d600 is (for me) not comfortable at all.

This (DF), looks like it will be better. Or maybe, I am just too old school:)

Love the look, the dials, the size (not too small & not D3/D4 big). Sure hope it has the same 16 mp. sensor as the D4.... and that it is not too expensive.
 
I'm slightly off-put by the idea of employing clacky mechanical dials for the purpose of actuating electronic modules. Seems kind of silly. Like a juke box playing MP3s.
Dials are no different from buttons in my opinion. Both have moving parts and give tactile feedback. Everyone seems to be replacing mechanical inputs with capacitive touchscreens, but there's no denying that touchscreens are almost unusable for changing settings without taking your eyes away from the viewfinder. There's also something incredibly satisfying about feeling and hearing something click into place.
I agree with you about the need for tactile feedback. I'm no fan of touch screens. My concern is whether there is any increased vulnerability with a shutter dial compared to a command wheel. A camera dropped on a sandy beach is probably as compromised with either design. However, at this (assumed) price point, I would expect that function and performance to supersede design.

And I want it to sound nice. :-)

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One thing to consider is that the current command wheel based system really needs a large LCD screen to be effective, without that your having to check the back screen or the viewfinder to look at your settings. Top dials seems like a good way to get some setting feedback whilst also making the camera slimmer.

The impression I get is somewhat different to Fuji and even Leica personally, both of those companies have IMHO put a lot of focus on maintaining a "retro" look arguably at the expense of creating a camera with maximum functionality. Nikon on the other hand look much less focused on retro looks and much more focused on trying to get maximum functionality via merging old and new systems.
 
I have to agree with you. I find my D800 isn't as comfortable to use as my F4 film camera. I certainly prefer the dials and knobs, looking forward to next week. But I suppose the real important thing is getting the results...

John.
 
I have to agree with you. I find my D800 isn't as comfortable to use as my F4 film camera. I certainly prefer the dials and knobs, looking forward to next week. But I suppose the real important thing is getting the results...
My problem with the latest peek at the camera is that it appears to be mostly a standard DSLR with some retro shutter speed knob and shutter release button stuck on top in place of the top LCD. Add a retro looking pentaprism.

I was a lot more excited with the first rumors that came out. Now that I've seen more of the camera I'm losing my initial enthusiasm. Shutter speed dial on top of the camera???? Why is that a big deal? It seems to have all the standard external buttons and knobs from current generation of DSLRs. Given all that... I think having a shutter speed dial is sort of dumb. It's having a knob for the sake of having a knob.

If it had been a true throwback to an FM or FE I would think differently. Oh well, I will wait and see the specs and features when it is announced next week. I still have hopes it will be a camera I want.
 
No, I don't think it would be wise for NIKON to have that feature on this camera. But in the future?
 
Shutter speed knob on top of camera? Why not?

It seems that this Df does not have a front command dial. I suppose the rear command dial controls the aperture. So shutter speed dial goes on top. Fine with me.
 
One thing to consider is that the current command wheel based system really needs a large LCD screen to be effective, without that your having to check the back screen or the viewfinder to look at your settings. Top dials seems like a good way to get some setting feedback whilst also making the camera slimmer.
I very rarely rely on the rear LCD to keep track of my settings on my D800. All you have to do is look through your viewfinder and all the settings will be exposed.
 
The discussion of late has strayed from one of the original items on the wish list: That the "hybrid" moniker might refer to a combo viewfinder, one that might provide focus peaking via an LCD overlay. Don't know if this will come to be, but what would be the point of providing backward-compatibility with all the old AI and non-AI lenses if the viewfinder didn't provide functional support for the legacy glass?

Many of us have scooped up some old lenses, only to find focus is "not quite" way too often. I've bought and sold more MF lenses than I can count, always thinking that I might be able to work with a modern, compromised DSLR viewfinder.

For me, if there isn't something exceptional in the finder's design that supports MF, that's the dealbreaker. I love the retro design, but the execution has to match the intent.

And if Nikon does build the camera that embraces the F-mount legacy, hat's off to them. They don't make money on our eBay buys, but what they earn is continued commitment from us, the owners of cherished old glass, if only we could nail focus.
 
Shutter speed knob on top of camera? Why not?

It seems that this Df does not have a front command dial. I suppose the rear command dial controls the aperture. So shutter speed dial goes on top. Fine with me.
 
The discussion of late has strayed from one of the original items on the wish list: That the "hybrid" moniker might refer to a combo viewfinder, one that might provide focus peaking via an LCD overlay. Don't know if this will come to be, but what would be the point of providing backward-compatibility with all the old AI and non-AI lenses if the viewfinder didn't provide functional support for the legacy glass?

Many of us have scooped up some old lenses, only to find focus is "not quite" way too often. I've bought and sold more MF lenses than I can count, always thinking that I might be able to work with a modern, compromised DSLR viewfinder.

For me, if there isn't something exceptional in the finder's design that supports MF, that's the dealbreaker. I love the retro design, but the execution has to match the intent.

And if Nikon does build the camera that embraces the F-mount legacy, hat's off to them. They don't make money on our eBay buys, but what they earn is continued commitment from us, the owners of cherished old glass, if only we could nail focus.
 
The point is: This camera does not seem to have the top lcd panel. Thus, there is no way for you to see the Shutter speed set unless you are looking through the VF or LCD screen at the back. By having a dial, you see the SS from the top.

Sorry that the design of this camera does not seem to suit you. Fear not, you have a lot of choices of cameras w/o a shutter speed dial on the top plate.

It works just fine for me. Lucky me!
 
The point is: This camera does not seem to have the top lcd panel. Thus, there is no way for you to see the Shutter speed set unless you are looking through the VF or LCD screen at the back. By having a dial, you see the SS from the top.
Of course there's no top LCD. That's rather obvious. It's because they put a shutter speed dial and a shutter release button up top in place of it.
Sorry that the design of this camera does not seem to suit you. Fear not, you have a lot of choices of cameras w/o a shutter speed dial on the top plate.
I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I have no issue with there being a shutter speed dial and shutter release button on top. I still use a Nikon F2 and Minolta SRT-102 camera. I love them. I love using them. Perhaps my point is that they didn't go retro enough. They seem to have largely preserved the DSLR size and external features.

Waiting to see if Nov. 5th will fill in the missing pieces.
It works just fine for me. Lucky me!
 
The ASA dial is on the other side. Almost certainly it will able to by controlled by the dials, or the control wheels if you wish.
 
I rarely use anything that makes camera chose for me, just my way of doing it. Only AF, which I think is the single most important development in photography's history. And still, I chose the point that will be used for focus.

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