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I use my 5D3 mostly for youth sports with a 300/2.8. I do occasional portraits too. I don't do much indoor sports. The 5D3 is a nearly perfect camera, but if the 7D2 has 5D3 AF and 10-12 fps, I will have some serious thinking to do. I could go back to using my 70-200/2.8II, sell my 5D3 and 300/2.8 and pocket a big wad of cash. However the 5D3+300/2.8 combo is truly magical, and I do believe the giant white lens helps with sales when parents see it.

This will be a very interesting announcement for sports shooters. Have you been thinking about it? What are your leanings?
 
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Yes, I plan to get one to replace the 60D as my birding camera. My 6D is serving me very well as a landscape, low light, and general use camera. The old 60D may get converted into a full spectrum camera or astro (H III sensitive) camera.
 
Pixel density and burst rate look very appealing. Still wait and see IQ if truly will much improve SNR (especially in shadow areas), DR (eliminate banding in pushing up shadows many stops) and high ISO. I hope it could match to Nikon D7100 and D5300 in sensor's quality but doubt it can match to 5D3/6D IQ but be closer.

In addition hope it has two CF card slots but at least one CF and one SD although single CF card is not a showstopper if that rumor is true.

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Impressive spec!

Wonder how the 5dm3 AF system will work on an APC sensor..

The price looks quite steep for APC.
 
photohp said:
photohp wrote:

Impressive spec!

Wonder how the 5dm3 AF system will work on an APC sensor..

The price looks quite steep for APC.
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Considering the 7D arrived at $1800, I think it's a fair price for the features. The 70D has moved up and is basically a 7D minus 1 fps, so the 7D2 will move up as a "budget" alternative to a 1DX.
 
JackM said:
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JackM said:
photohp wrote:

Impressive spec!

Wonder how the 5dm3 AF system will work on an APC sensor..

The price looks quite steep for APC.
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Considering the 7D arrived at $1800, I think it's a fair price for the features. The 70D has moved up and is basically a 7D minus 1 fps, so the 7D2 will move up as a "budget" alternative to a 1DX.
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True, but at that time we didn't have those cheap FF options we have now. Different target audience I know, but still it will have to compete with them.
 
photohp said:
True, but at that time we didn't have those cheap FF options we have now. Different target audience I know, but still it will have to compete with them.
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If a 1D4 and 1Ds3 were able to coexist, so will a 7D2 and 6D. You buy a 6D if you want a FF sensor at a bargain price. You'll buy a 7D2 if you want pro AF and FPS at a bargain price. The two cameras will complement each other very nicely. Sure, someone who can only afford one body will have to decide where their priorities lie, but the existence of the 6D does not preclude Canon from offering a 7D2 spec'd as rumored.
 
JackM said:
photohp said:
True, but at that time we didn't have those cheap FF options we have now. Different target audience I know, but still it will have to compete with them.
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If a 1D4 and 1Ds3 were able to coexist, so will a 7D2 and 6D. You buy a 6D if you want a FF sensor at a bargain price. You'll buy a 7D2 if you want pro AF and FPS at a bargain price. The two cameras will complement each other very nicely. Sure, someone who can only afford one body will have to decide where their priorities lie, but the existence of the 6D does not preclude Canon from offering a 7D2 spec'd as rumored.
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You have a point, but it is not just 6D that it will have to compete against. It's also D610, Sony A7, etc.

I guess we will see.
 
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JackM said:
photohp said:
True, but at that time we didn't have those cheap FF options we have now. Different target audience I know, but still it will have to compete with them.
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If a 1D4 and 1Ds3 were able to coexist, so will a 7D2 and 6D. You buy a 6D if you want a FF sensor at a bargain price. You'll buy a 7D2 if you want pro AF and FPS at a bargain price. The two cameras will complement each other very nicely. Sure, someone who can only afford one body will have to decide where their priorities lie, but the existence of the 6D does not preclude Canon from offering a 7D2 spec'd as rumored.
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You have a point, but it is not just 6D that it will have to compete against. It's also D610, Sony A7, etc.

I guess we will see.
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D610, A7 would not compare on AF nor FPS, and I would not want to shoot sports through a camcorder EVF. The closest competitor would be a Pentax K3, or a non-existent Nikon D400. Although Pentax doesn't really have the lenses and the K3 would be sort of between a 7D2 and the 70D.
 
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Wonder how the 5dm3 AF system will work on an APC sensor.
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This is the problem. The AF sensor area for an APS-C camera is smaller, just like the APS-C sensor itself. To get the 61 AF points of the 1D X or 5D Mk III they would have to have smaller AF sensors lines, which would in turn reduce their low light performance. So first I would take rumors of 61 AF points with a grain of salt to start with, and I would personally rather have 19 cross type AF points all capable of low light focus, and focus at f/8 than 61 less useful AF points.
 
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JackM said:
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I use my 5D3 mostly for youth sports with a 300/2.8. I do occasional portraits too. I don't do much indoor sports. The 5D3 is a nearly perfect camera, but if the 7D2 has 5D3 AF and 10-12 fps, I will have some serious thinking to do. I could go back to using my 70-200/2.8II, sell my 5D3 and 300/2.8 and pocket a big wad of cash. However the 5D3+300/2.8 combo is truly magical, and I do believe the giant white lens helps with sales when parents see it.

This will be a very interesting announcement for sports shooters. Have you been thinking about it? What are your leanings?
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A 7D Mk II with these specs would be a good camera to lean on. Canon knows that the replacement to a 7D requires faster frame rate, superb AF and great high ISO performance. Since a DSLR must also be a great video camera, it must also be able to rapidly focus in a live view (LCD) mode. One other important feature which must not be overlooked, is that the camera must have the ability to drive the large telephoto lenses just like its big brother, the 1DX. The 7D Mk II may not be built quite like the tank of the 1DX, but its important feature list must be very similar, if not better due to technological advancements Canon has since developed. The DSLR may be losing popularity with the mainstream photographing public due to its bulky and heavy-weight appearance, but it still is a very appropriate platform for delivering the performance requirements needed by action photographers who are not willing to use the 1DX due to budget limitations, form-factor, or sensor size.
 
If they truly improve the IQ I will get one ASAP. If all they do is a stick a 70D sensor in a 7D, I doubt I will bite.
 
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19, or 45, or however many as is appropriate. Cross point sensitivity and new 1DX/5D3 AF algorithm should be more important than huge number of points.
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However many, just so long as they work as well as the 5D3's!! :)
 
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If they truly improve the IQ I will get one ASAP. If all they do is a stick a 70D sensor in a 7D, I doubt I will bite.
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70D IQ looks better than 7D, no?
 
JackM said:
NancyP said:
19, or 45, or however many as is appropriate. Cross point sensitivity and new 1DX/5D3 AF algorithm should be more important than huge number of points.
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However many, just so long as they work as well as the 5D3's!! :)
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Careful what you ask for. You don't to end up with the 6D AF :)
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photohp said:
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Wonder how the 5dm3 AF system will work on an APC sensor.
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This is the problem. The AF sensor area for an APS-C camera is smaller, just like the APS-C sensor itself. To get the 61 AF points of the 1D X or 5D Mk III they would have to have smaller AF sensors lines, which would in turn reduce their low light performance. So first I would take rumors of 61 AF points with a grain of salt to start with, and I would personally rather have 19 cross type AF points all capable of low light focus, and focus at f/8 than 61 less useful AF points.
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Nikon D7100 has 51 AF points with 15 cross points but all jammed in center. 70D only has 19 AF points but all cross points and spread across sensor.

At least one reviewer's test shows 70D has better tracking performance while D7100 has slight better low light AF lock-on.


So technically you can squeeze more than 19 points into an APS-C sensor, smaller AF point not necessarily bad in low light, and number of AF point not necessarily determine AF performance.

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...it had the 5DmkIII AF performance, high FPS (10), very low noise at high ISO (compared to my 7D which I find very noisy >800) & wifi would prob convince me to purchase this camera as a second body to my workflow. Im not bothered about Megapixels.

Having a 1.6 crop has its advantaged as I already have a full frame and 1.3X crop bodies.

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