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Shooting youth football w/a 7D and 430ex II flash
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Nope - CUSTOMERS like seeing faces better. They don't care about uniform highlights but they do care about not seeing faces. So, it's the people paying that make the decision. When a consumer is presented with the options and they overwhelmingly select one over the other it becomes an easy decision.
It's not about what I like - it's about what customers like. And, overwhelmingly they let me know they don't notice or care about uniform highlihgts but they much prefer how much better faces look with flash.
Again - this is just what you THINK. When you actually talk to players as I have and other photographers have you find out the truth - they don't notice. That's the difference between theory and reality. Considering a good portion of my business was sales to families - if they had issues with the flash they would have let me know.
Let me put this a different way: you seem to disagree with the advice myself and others are giving around using flash. Here's a photo taken on a typical small-school field. When it's dark, you're lookng at f2.8 1/500 and ISO 12800. Two types of shots - one for print and one for media.
Perhaps both of you could share some of your 7d-era shots of night HS football at those ISOs without flash so people can compare actual results.
Perhaps both of you could share some of your 7d-era shots of night HS football at those ISOs without flash so people can compare actual results.
That's fine, the customers are not photographers. This is two different things. You have the technical photographic part and the customers who don't care as much as a photographer cares about exposure.
If one was trying to get a job or show a portfolio to get a serious sports job or maybe shoot a wedding and the customer wanted to see your work I am not sure I would not want to show this work to another photographer saying this is the best it gets.
The Pro Photographers shooting MLB or NFL or NHL whatever it is do not use flash this way.
Customers pay the bills. If I have to choose between what customers prefer vs. what someone who doesn't even shoot sports prefers, whose opinion should matter more to me?
This is amusing. If you're going to show someone a football photo to get a job as a wedding photographer, you'll be laughed out. They're different. Completely. Nor, if I were trying to gain work as a sports photographer, would it be acceptable to show wedding photos to my potential employer.
Let's talk about this - it's evident you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. Now, flash is prohibited in all 3 major professional sports. For basketball and hockey they used ceiling mounted strobes for years. I get you don't understand that. With the latest generation of sensors, many photographers have abandoned the use of those because they no longer need them. But, and here's the big key: the light levels at an NFL stadium are very different than the light levels at a small HS stadium. Again, if you had ever photographed a HS varsity football game, you might know this. Typically you require ISO 3200 in well lit stadiums at f2.8 and 1/400-500. But that can drop by two stops - that's ISO 6400 or 12800 in case you don't understand what a "stop" is. So, what a photographer does in Metlife stadium is not going to be the same thing they do in small HS stadiums.
Again though, I'm still looking for your HS football photos demonstrating your technique. Let's see those ISO 6400-12800 photos of varsity football under the lights. You might find the experience very different than shooting a family wedding as a guest.
You have no clue what the lighting is like in high school football stadiums. You are correct photographers shooting MLB, NFL or NHL don't shoot like that, because they don't have to. The lighting in high school football is substantially less than in either college or pro stadiums. So you can sit in Finland or whatever country you reside in, watching TV and come up with what ever theories you want on how to take photographs. But, most of us actually taking high school football photos use a flash.
Sure get the money. But what happens if the customer says they know someone that shoots sports and shows this photo and knows more than the first person it could ruin a chance.
Depends, if someone knows your a photographer and has a wedding to shoot and will pay $$ but wants to see what you can do all you have is your sports images. If you take care in shooting any subject matter they know how you work and how it will cross over to a different genre. You shoot a portrait of a football player/baseball player/hockey player the same as a non sports theme, same idea. IF you can do one you can do the other.
I know what a bus stop is, but is a f stop between a E and a G stop, wow you are such a good teacher. I will have to stop by your next game, can't wait ooh this is going to be such fun to meet a real life professional high school photographer.
So now your talking about hanging flashes and wireless whatever, this is about a shoe mounted flash to shoot any sport. Who cares if it is high school or not. Spend the money and your get results.
This may help improve your photography and take it to the next level. I'm here to help, it'll be ok, just breathe.
http://digital-photography-school.com/how-to-shoot-high-school-football
I would love to see your 8x10 prints shot at ISO 6400 plus, I bet they look great. You can shoot any ISO and it look good on a computer screen.
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I believe the time has come to click ignore on ryan2007.
Click . Byeeeeeeeeee
See - when I was doing this as a business I saw the competition's photos. Customers preferred mine. That's the difference between you and I - you aspire to one day be hired by another photographer. I didn't need to be
No respectable studio is going to hire a photographer to shoot a wedding based upon sports photos. If you don't have a portfolio of relevant work you shouldn't apply for the work. Similarly, no sports shooting studio/outfit is going to hire a sports photographer based upon wedding work. The fact you think they are interchangeable shows you don't know very much. Shooting sports and shooting weddings are very different. They both offer there own challenges. But assuming the ability to shoot one equates automatically to the ability to shoot others indicates you lack real-world experience at higher levels. That probably explains why you couldn't get anyone to comment on the family wedding photos you posted and you had to take them down.
No, it is about using a flash, tethered to a shoe - again, let me help you understand - if you mount it directly to the shoe you will get terrible red-eye.
See - that's the beauty - I can make beautiful 16x20 shots of my ISO 800 action football photos - see, I can use ISO 800 because I used flash. When you actually shoot a HS football game at ISO 6400 I will be glad to compare print results with you. Seeing as you've never shot a HS varsity football game at any ISO, that comparison will have to wait. Until that time, every post you write is just another amusing testament to how little you actually know about the subject we're discussing.
You said was doing, so your not doing it anymore... the past is the past, your only as good as your last job.See - when I was doing this as a business I saw the competition's photos. Customers preferred mine. That's the difference between you and I - you aspire to one day be hired by another photographer. I didn't need to be
define respectable.
Why give up, not the way to live a life.
How so, give examples
interesting.
No matter the subject matter you have to know how it works, sports, cultures that do different types of weddings/different religions.
I don't know what your talking about. I do not live my life to post pictures on DPREVIEW. I don't care about comments or anything like that. Posting a photo to make you feel better is just sad.
No you won't, bounce or diffuse the flash, direct flash is bad.
I see, where is your gallery of 16x20 shots
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