Alex Sarbu
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Blame Pentax for being "too chicken" and not implementing the OP's idea, then rewarding Fuji for being "too chicken" and not implementing the OP's idea? Nice
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Pentax, here is an idea
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JackM
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Well, the X cameras are as close as we're gonna get to a digital K1000 or MX for the foreseeable future. The only reason for FF would be to use Pentax's old primes, and that wouldn't make them any money. Nobody really needs more than ISO 3200.Alex Sarbu wrote:
Blame Pentax for being "too chicken" and not implementing the OP's idea, then rewarding Fuji for being "too chicken" and not implementing the OP's idea? Nice
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Alex Sarbu
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Then, only the aspect is what matters? You don't support a crippled expensive camera, after all, but a fully-featured retro styled camera?JackM wrote:
Well, the X cameras are as close as we're gonna get to a digital K1000 or MX for the foreseeable future. The only reason for FF would be to use Pentax's old primes, and that wouldn't make them any money. Nobody really needs more than ISO 3200.Alex Sarbu wrote:
Blame Pentax for being "too chicken" and not implementing the OP's idea, then rewarding Fuji for being "too chicken" and not implementing the OP's idea? Nice
Alex
I disagree about both the "only reason", and about not needing more than ISO 3200.
In the first case, people are buying new, quite expensive Pentax lenses for APS-C; we should assume they would do that for FF, too.
In the second, even if what you said were true, what' wrong with a better ISO 3200?
Alex
The old Canon 5D is closer in my thinking. FF and you can use Pentax's lens with an adapter. Manual focus, of course. I have watched eBay for a used one and notice that its price has actually gone up in recent months. D600 and 6D must have triggered people's attention to FF.
JackM
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Just be careful, at infinity focus the back of the K-mount lens stops the mirror on its way down, even if you have removed the aperture lever and plastic doohickey. I know. Fortunately no damage, just a yucky feeling in my stomach!
I did not know about that. Thanks for the warning, Jack. Now back to square one.
Rod Herdman
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Offering a dSLR package directly to educational institutions that offer photography courses is a great marketing idea - with some sort of "student discount" a la microsoft making them very affordable and cheaper than going to a store.
Well, what can I say. However DF at $3000 (body only) is a bit pricy. Thom Hogan did a survey and the majority would want it below $1700 (http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-fm-numbers.html).
The idea is about having a product targeting at those who appreciate old film cameras and can operate it with basic function. Chill out if it isn't for you. By the way, I enjoy driving my gear-shift Miata on the weekends.
Holger Bargen
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Yes, I would like to have it. I would like to have a simple car with focus on the needs it was made for: Bringing me and maybe my shopping from point A to point B. I would like to have the most important security innovations since then on board like airbags, ABS-brakes and stiffening elements within the autobody as well as steering column that bends down in case of an accident - that's it.
My first car was a VW Jetta - like the VW Rabbit/Golf with a luggage space. That car did not need much fuel - less than any modern car of today. It did not have a strong engine - but it was lightweight and thus fast enough. It was the best car I ever owned.
I want same as a camera: A camera should not be a toy and for a tool it is important that you control it 100% every second it is in your hands. This is much easier if you do not have to keep in mind, which settings you changed last and if everything is in optimal position when you are taking your photos.
With my Pentax ME this never was a problem. I could take my camera and within seconds I was readdy to start and had everything under control. (OK, for extreme situations where I have to take photos immediatelly without checking settings the green mode of my K5 is fine, too).
Why not a lean camera: simple, stable and not expensive? I do think that it's much easier to relight the fire of taking photos with such a kind a of camera than with a camera with thousands of oppotunities to do settings. If you focus s on the photographs and not on the camera your joy about your hobby will carry on a long time as it's you and your objects - your camera is just a tool.
If your camera becomes a toy, it will end up like every other toy: You will enjoy to play with it for a while - and then it ends up in the camera bag and will be used only very seldom. And we do not have to look at the people here in the forum, exclusively. Maybe we would be able to control a camera with thousands of options for settings and it could be come a worthy tool for us. Many people who are not interested in technique but in photography would like to have a simple camera which does photographs at a high end level - but without the need to become an engineer for photo technique. I think that a lean DSLR concept with absolutely high end results for a fair price could bring back lots of people to photography that got lost in times of high end toys.
In my Pentax ME days a liked my camera more than the CANON and NIKON modells even though they were often better equipped. The less parts are at a camera the lower the risk that something gets damaged or quits working and gives you the risk to be without a camera in important situations. That days I often heard about people whos NIKON, Canon, Olympus or Minolta failed while the Pentax kept on working.
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Holger
Regor250
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No true. The K10D was a hit, and arguably many others (e.g. Weather Proof Optios)
Small player in the photo arena perhaps, but not as a company. Ricoh as a company is as big as, if not bigger than Nikon.
That's a polite way to put it indeed. " Pentaxians " want the best for the least. We're a cheap bunch !
Hummm, and that's why some of us won't even consider the K3 because the Ricoh company name is printed on the camera ! I think many Pentax users have either a complex of inferiority or superiority wrt brand. They're certainly not neutral about it, that's for sure.
Interesting idea, and not new as many pointed out, but unfortunately doomed to fail. Just read some of the comments that came out after the K-01's release to get a sense of the small things that will turn people off. Such a camera would be blasted with negative comments pointing out all that it cannot do (even if intentionally), leading to an overly negative response and huge criticism form the vast majority of reviewers where quantity of features is better than quality. i.e. not good for business.
Not necessarily. Designing a camera that is intentionally crippled, would still use the vast majority of existing components. All that would be omitted is the hardware (knobs and dials) needed to access these functions. Very little if any cost savings, especially in a low production volume, niche market body. If anything, the high quality prism, large sensor, quality mirror box/assembly, quality shutter, and quality construction will account for a significant cost, and I don't think a K1000 like camera could be build for less than $1000.
... they may actually feel jaleaous and limited in what they can do, though they'd likely display their new shinny K1000D Classic with pride. No video, no AF, no multizone metering, no TTL, no continuous shooting... gee, you have to actually think to take a photo. A romantic idea I agree, but not very practical in the end.
It might be popular only if you could buy such a camera for $250 or less (Art students are poor !), which I don't think is possible.
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I've been wanting Pentax to bring out something like my dad's old Pentax SV (but with K-mount and digital) since before the Olympus OM-D E-M5.
Be interesting to see what this Nikon DF is . . .
In Pentaxian's small world, it seems all Pentax cameras are a hit.
So you do agree Pentax is a small player in the photo arena.
You said it. Yep, wait a year and you may be able to get a K-3 at the current K-5ii price ($715 at Amazon).
I have said that Ricoh made a mistake in handling the company branding issue. It should have done it swiftly, skipping the Ricoh-Pentax phase (nonsense), and put "Ricoh" up-front on K-3, instead of the back side. You will feel better now that it is out of sight when you shoot. Of course it gets worse if you use it for home decoration mainly.
The idea is to have a product targeting at those who have owned a film camera or two. That population is huge.
It is an idea, nothing sets in concrete about what the product should actually be. Nikon marketing seems to see gold in the concept. Maybe that is why Nikon is a major player and Pentax is not.
Yep, it is useless if you are a point-and-shoot photographer.
I believe it will sell like hotcakes even at $1500.
No, it is a serious topic for marketing.
Zvonimir Tosic
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Even Rice High posted a public request to Pentax in 2008 on top of his Barad Dur.
And almost everyone else got it, except the company that message was intended to.
Instead, they have served the K-01, now totally abandoned — have fun with it!
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Zvonimir Tosic
“A portrait is not made in the camera, but on either side of it.”
— Edward Steichen
And almost everyone else got it, except the company that message was intended to.
Instead, they have served the K-01, now totally abandoned — have fun with it!
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Zvonimir Tosic
“A portrait is not made in the camera, but on either side of it.”
— Edward Steichen
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Barry Pearson
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Or perhaps only a major player could consider such a niche product!
I am anything but a point-and-shoot photographer, and such a camera would be nearly useless to me!
I do studio photography, airshows, motor sports, birds in flight, other action photography, landscapes, etc.
I could almost so the studio photography with such a camera, because I'm basically shooting with manual exposure. But I want AF-S so that I can move fast once I have the pose, I want a histogram on the back to sort out exposure, I want some sort of tethering.
Landscape photography might be another case where I could use a simple camera. But I would want full review capability.
Dream on!
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