When a macbook pro is double the price of a wintel laptop, you can upgrade the wintel laptop twice as often for the same amount of money. Everyone wants the latest tech. This is only one of the benefits of a wintel laptop,
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ByeThom
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I added 600 dollars to the price to upgrade the HP to the same specs. I added a 512gb ssd, which is in ADDITION to the 1tb drive and the HP can also hold a msata card as well as a bluray disk. I updated the video card to an Nvidia, I upgraded the display to a 1080p, but remember it is a touchscreen. You can't tell the difference with IPS and since you can't tell, a touchscreen would be and advantage over the mac which does not have one., Who cares about thunderbolt, it is not widely accepted.
Fair enough, but I would say video editors are not going to go with a laptop, when you get into the business level server/workstation with high end storage, Apple can't compete with HP in that arena either.
It is fair, because I upgraded the HP specs and it still was $1000 less than the mac, go look at my post, compare both and then look at cost.
"ByeThom" (not just Thom, whoever), usually definitely means the OP will check Thom's sites regularly with an envious eye……
……with the other eye he'll be checking Apple's prices to see if he can afford their products he so secretly desires ;-)
……with the other eye he'll be checking Apple's prices to see if he can afford their products he so secretly desires ;-)
rhlpetrus
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It seems you are on a crusade of some sort. For a single company to hold 20-30% of the smartphone business by itself (hard and software) is no small feat. That's the core business of Apple these days. Their computers work, and they work very well. Windows, which I used for many years, still suffer from problems, in the PC world there's not much else (or maybe I'm missing that, since I stopped following PC stuff 3 years ago when I migrated to an iMac).
You don't need to be tied to anything re computers. I use dropbox and all MS suite (which works better on the Aplle system than on Windows, by the way).
I also like Nikon, so there's no linking between hating Nikon and likeing Apple ;-).
I could say the same for you. I was talking about Apple computers 10 percent, and Thoms comments remember? This is a fact not a crusade.
Never said it wasn't but I was talking about Thom's article. I stated he had a Apple centric viewpoint. He dismissed that once Apple dominated and now is losing ground. He said that icloud was the glue that held everything together for Apple and everyone else was in mimic mode. I say it WAS innovation, but Jobs is gone now and now I see Samsung innovating more
Yes, which is losing ground to Android, Their current model is still small screened Ipod and since its beginning has had only small incremental upgrades, It was not until the last model they even had 4g lte while other companies are putting great cameras, Wacom tablet screens and stylus pens, beats audio stereo speakers, micros sd card slots, hand air gestures, user replaceable batteries, face/eye detection that moves text up and down the screen without touching screen or pauses a movie when you look away, 13 and 41mp cameras. HTC came out with their version of the fingerprint scanner.
The I phone looks the same as it ever was with incremental updates and oh yes the all important Icloud that no one can match, Box.net and WD allow for syncing of devices even behind your firewall, it is not like it isn't available for other devices.
Apple suffers from problems as well just different, but when you have 10 percent of the market share since it was introduced, the problems are less noticed.
I was discussing Thoms Apple centric viewpoint. I mentioned he dismissed the innovation by other companies in the cell phone space.
I mentioned he bashes Nikon, I own Nikon and Canon. They both innovate in different ways
I was commenting that I will in the future put less weight into his commentary because he is biased, against Nikon and towards Apple. That is all. I also challenge when people say, IPS is that much better when we can see that most people cannot tell the difference. I challenge the assertion that most photographers use Apple, when the data I have seen does not support that and they have no proof other than what they make up, I challenge when Thom says Samsung mimics Apples I phone and is concerned they have no software when that is frankly not true, they are innovating more than Apple in hardware and software and cloud computing started with PC, client and server. Desktop syncing has been done with email and blackberry phones for a long time. Apple often takes existing technology and puts it together into a package they charge a lot of money for and locks you into a system that only allows you to play if you own only apple products
That is not to say that Icloud is not a good idea, but it is mimicking and an incremental step forward. Again my comment was Thom was dismissing other brands when it came to Computers and phones because he is Apple centric. It is not a crusade for Nikon or against Apple.
RussellInCincinnati
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Unclear why you are informing us in detail of your dislike for writers who like something about Apple hardware. Is there something about those writers, or Apple hardware, you have discovered that would not be obvious to most of us reading that author's work, hence warranting discussion?
For example, there is no need to write posts describing that you don't like the price of Apple products, because price is certainly something that everyone knows about whether we write posts or not. Similarly who could possibly benefit from hearing that you don't like ByThom' Apple preferences, since we either (a) read ByThom ourselves and thus already know about his preferences or (b) have already chosen to not read the works of ByThom, and thus have already decided that we don't care what he thinks.
The only point of posting that you don't like ByThom, would be to alert ByThom readers that you have discovered secret evidence that he likes Apple products, that would not be obvious to people reading him regularly.
Martin.au
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Simple.
Don't think for a second that Richard is actually able to understand the concept of different tastes or priorities, or even of being able to objectively compare an Apple with a PC.
He's the perfect example of black/white, in-group/out-group, with us or against us, style thinker.
The quality of the argument doesn't matter to him. It only matters if you're on his side or not.
nstam
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I am not bashing or making fun of Nikon users at all... but in general (and probably a bit arrogant on my part) I've found the typical Nikon user uses Apple, and or vice versa. This hasn't always been the case, but only a mere general stereotype, if you will.
cheers, happy pics!
-nate
cheers, happy pics!
-nate
No, I will check on occasion, but not with envy, I just will not put as much weight into his opinions because he bashes some products and he does not see the advantages of others.
If you gave me one, I would probably use it Iphone/Ipad, I would probably sell the computer unless it ran windows very well, or maybe linux.
I feel the same way about computers, as I do about cameras. If you are heavily invested in Apple, I would never recommend you change, or windows.
Trust me I don't secretly desire to be locked into itunes like some of my friends, they admit, they cannot leave. They have both Apple and PC and they have are not happy because they don't integrate well.
I also don't secretly seek status buy buying an over priced product, like was mentioned in another post.
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Didn't do that, just stated that he has a bias which to me, lowers the value of his opinions
This was also in response to another thread.
This is a forum about opinions. I am free to share mine as you are to share yours
Ok for those who have not yet read him.
Edgar Matias
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I don't know you, so you I don't know what you use your computer for. Perhaps only for your amusement?
Many of us who use our computers for work, find it very disruptive to update them frequently. I'd rather pay more and have a stable work environment for longer, than upgrade every 2 years because some cheap component has failed. I have Macs that are 10 years old and still work.
I also have PCs. Without exception, their trackpads are subpar -- bordering on unusable. This is a solved problem. There's no reason why they should be so bad, other than carelessness.
As for Samsung, I applaud their efforts to bring bigger screens to the smartphone market. However, their stuff is cheaply made, with mediocre software. I'm sure Android will improve, but I would not look to Samsung for that. I put more faith in Google.
I read Thom's blogs because his opinions are interesting, and backed up with evidence. You can disagree with him if you like, but he has reasons for his beliefs, and he explains those reasons in a concise coherent fashion. If you don't find that appealing, well, all I can say is that is that I enjoy reading his blog more than I've enjoyed reading this discussion thread.
Interesting, so you say that there is some sort of elevated status with these products that attracts users that seek status elevation. I know this happens with apple users, their overpriced products induce some sort of status elevation, pc's are inexpensive and common and they don't want to be associated with that.
I never thought about that with Nikon. Is there a reason you can think of that would make them think they are elevated?
When I think back on it. Most Nikon users (other than the low end budget entrylevel dslr) users do own macs.
Anyone that purchases a m4/3, entry level DSLR, point and shoot, would never spend 2k on a macbook pro or own/rent photoshop, they would rather upgrade their cameras.
Cailean Gallimore
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I use mine for work, no issues and it is a pc
Really, you are lucky, you don't have to wait more than 2 years, I would ignore the projection in red on this page, sticking to facts is better.
That is like saying, you own a BMW, and it is perfect, but you also own a car that is subpar. Depends on the brand, the pricepoint.
Hp makes a walmart christmas special laptop for $250, do you expect that to be as quality as an apple that costs $1000 dollars.
I was talking about inovations. But I have seen many Iphones/Ipods fail. Many because the battery is not user replaceable, unlike other brand which most allow you to replace the battery.
Thom should expect people not to like his post when he bashes one product like Nikon, then loves another product like apple and ignores innovation by companies other than Apple.
I expect when I call Thom out on it. People who like him to come to his defense regardless if he shows bias or not, thus I am not surprised by your dislike of my post.
No... You.
Cailean Gallimore
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tl;dr ;-)
Edgar Matias
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Nice graph.Richard wrote:
I use mine for work, no issues and it is a pc
Really, you are lucky, you don't have to wait more than 2 years, I would ignore the projection in red on this page, sticking to facts is better.
Where'd they get their data?
Expensive PCs also have crappy trackpads. I don't know why.
You see lots of PC users buying "notebook mice" for this reason (myself included). It's rare to see a Mac user with one.
What innovations has Samsung done?
I don't consider copying the iPhone an innovation.
The battery may not be user replaceable, but it is replaceable.
I've had phones with replaceable batteries before (including my current one). Never once have I had to replace the battery on one of them.
That's a very simplistic (and dare I say childish) view of the world. When a company does something dumb, pointing out that dumb thing is not "bashing". It's merely observation and commentary.
If that company or their defenders are too thin skinned to listen to criticism and improve, that does not bode well for their future. Thom's main rig is Nikon. He has a vested interest in them not screwing up their future. You're doing them no favours by making excuses for the missteps, and blindly following like some love struck school girl.
If you defend a company that's done something dumb, you are showing bias -- like you did just now.
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For me the deciding factor was the price of software.
Speak for yourself, I simply want tech that works.
I'm not seeing other benefits.
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I dont really follow his site, but havent ever felt worse off for his opinions
it would be unusual for me to agree with him 100%, but thats the value of different perspectives. I do like to at least try and see where he's coming from. I do this b/se I trashed Thom once but later felt the need to apologise for it, and I recall him being very gracious about it at the time.
maybe one day he will be gracious to you too ....
It is not my job to educate you. You were the one who stated without any evidence to back it up that Apples were superior to pc in reliability Google it yourself. http://www.squaretrade.com/laptop-reliability-1109/Edgar Matias wrote:
Nice graph.
Where'd they get their data?
That is like saying cars have crappy engines. It simply isn't true, some don't, would be a true statement
My 2 year old hp laptop has a touchpad that allows for multi gesture and works very well. I have no mini mouse.
Wacom stylus touchscreen that has pressure sensitivity, air hand gestures, face recognition to move text, the list goes on for Samsung features, but things that are very meaty are the ability to add a 64gb micro sd card to the unit. User replaceable battery, things the Iphone cannot do.
Apple copied Xerox for the mouse driven OS for mac, touchscreen menu driven pads for ATM's, restaurants and business usually point of sale were around long before apple put it on a phone, it was created in the early 70's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
HP has been putting fingerprint scanners on laptops for years, Iphone copied that idea.
Which again make the product not only more expensive to begin with but more expensive to own and when a battery is dead you just buy a new one, for apple you have to send your phone you keep every day with you out for service.
Then you don't use your phone much, look on line and in your town for stores that specialize in replaicing batteries, glass and other broken iphone parts, it is big business.
Nikon is still very successful, they haven't done that many dumb things, I will say QC has gone down on the D800 and D600
I make no excuses for Nikon but I don't dedicate a blog to bash them day in and day out when the don't run their business the way I think they should.
I never defended the company for the D800 or D600, but I don't think they are going down a path to distruction, they continue to come out with new inovative products that are better than the competition in many respects.
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