ByeThom

Mebyon K said:

Mebyon K wrote:

Re Thom, just one example of his acumen; he was writing about the collapse of the point & shoot camera market due to smart phones over two years ago, when all the camera makers were forecasting that their market share would hold up or increase. He has since been proved to have been absolutely correct.

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I would not have disagreed, I think that as phone cameras get better, they go from good enough to pretty darn good. They also do that for email, web browsing and social media. I think you would have to be a fool to think these things would not impact photography and computer industry.

Mebyon K said:

Re your HP versus Apple comparison. A few years ago my elder son bought himself a HP portable for approximately £500, I bought a macbook for £800. His HP failed completely when it was about 15 months old, my macbook is still in use.

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Sorry you had a bad experience. I seen people with apple products have a bad experience, failure rate of macbooks are better than HP, not as good as Asus. My HP laptop has a 2 year warranty so I am not worried at 15 months.

sportyaccordy said:

sportyaccordy wrote:

Misery loves company. Thom is a click generating troll who knows his audience. I don't bother with his stuff anymore.

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That is a bit harsh don't you thing? I disagree with him on some things, I think he is negative about Nikon but I would not call him a troll. He does a good job on his websites and he is articulate and a good writer.

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Sonyshine wrote:

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Richard wrote:

Member said:

Sonyshine wrote:

...don't forget computers are in serious decline. Especially domestically.

The iPhone and iPad have done more to move people away from computers onto mobile devices than anything else....

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Not really, not yet. Do you edit your photos on a phone or tablet? No, I seen the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is the first phone combined with PS touch that I would even consider editing photos on, so every photographer has to have a computer. I do see phones and tablets as they become more powerful a possible future for editing. I agree that for web browsing, email, and facebook, these have taken away from the traditional computer.

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Keep up! I edit many photos on my iPad using iPhoto or Snapseed. It works a treat. you should catch up with Apple tech sometime.

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Android does the same thing, for a lot less.

I have not even considered editing on these type of devices until they had some processing power and memory. The Samsung galaxy note 3 phone has 3gb of ram and Quad 2.3ghz processor.

I seen people "try" to edit on Ipads, they were slow unless doing the most simple of edits and small files.

photoreddi said:

photoreddi wrote:

photoreddi said:

Richard wrote:

So for now, I will say bye to Thom and his opinions because when he is not bashing Nikon, he is singing the praises of apple and Ilife which apple no longer innovates like it did with Jobs here. But he is entitled to his opinion, just like I am.

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Idiots are also entitled to have their own opinions and most people .....(other than those that share your rather negative opinions) are likely to value Thom's opinions much more than yours, and in my opinion, they'd be 100% correct.

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And your opinion is not valid either because we would all value Thom's opinion greater than yours because anyone who has an opinion other than Thom's opinion would be an idiot. Is that what I am getting from your opinion? LOL

But if your opinion is the same as Thom's then you are validated and no longer an idiot.

photoreddi said:

I think that it would be reasonable to assume that even though you wrote "ByeThom", you'll look for and find many opportunities to continue the "Thom bashing" that drives you so.

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I am not bashing him. I disagree with his opinions. If I were to say he was not a good photography or a good writer or he was not articulate, then I would be bashing him and it would also be untrue.

Richard said:

Richard wrote:

Richard said:

I had to integrate data between them. UGH! I won't elaborate, but I did so much more appreciate my Apple gear after that. I pay more for Apple because I enjoy using it, and I never say UGH when doing so.

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I say that when trying to integrate apple and business because most business is windows. I say Ugh.

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Indeed most businesses use Windows, but as soon as you get to the visual communications businesses like ad agencies, print and Internet publishers, multi media producers, the Mac takes over. My images are not used in P&L's, spreadsheets, company emails, etc. Mine are used by the community of Mac users. However, I have on occasion worked with a Windows centric communications firm. In those cases I found it simple to fit in. Apple, recognizing the differences between OSX and Windows has taken it upon itself to make conversion of Mac made work product easily convertible to Windows work product. My Apple word processing software (Pages) will read any MS Word file even Doc X files. Many versions of Word will not. When I save a doc as a Word doc any version of Word can read it. So be the state of affairs,

Richard, thank you for being civil. It's so nice to be able to disagree without being ravaged by a madman.

Some of you guys have an amazing axe to grind. Does anybody actually take photographs anymore? Or is it all about picking fights with bloggers?

Promit said:

Promit wrote:

Some of you guys have an amazing axe to grind. Does anybody actually take photographs anymore? Or is it all about picking fights with bloggers?

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I take no photographs, I only fondle my gear pick fights with bloggers.

Richard said:

Richard wrote:

Richard said:

photoreddi wrote:

Richard said:

Richard wrote:

So for now, I will say bye to Thom and his opinions because when he is not bashing Nikon, he is singing the praises of apple and Ilife which apple no longer innovates like it did with Jobs here. But he is entitled to his opinion, just like I am.

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Idiots are also entitled to have their own opinions and most people .....(other than those that share your rather negative opinions) are likely to value Thom's opinions much more than yours, and in my opinion, they'd be 100% correct.

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And your opinion is not valid either because we would all value Thom's opinion greater than yours because anyone who has an opinion other than Thom's opinion would be an idiot. Is that what I am getting from your opinion? LOL

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I don't know for sure, but you seem to be proving that rule. You're twisting yourself in knots with your own illogic.

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Richard said:

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Richard said:

I think that it would be reasonable to assume that even though you wrote "ByeThom", you'll look for and find many opportunities to continue the "Thom bashing" that drives you so.

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I am not bashing him. I disagree with his opinions. If I were to say he was not a good photography or a good writer or he was not articulate, then I would be bashing him and it would also be untrue.

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Uh, Thom is most decidedly not a "good photography". Neither is he a good photograph. He's a lot more articulate than many people here, but his articles do contain an unusually large number of typos. I hope that your typos are just that, and not an indication of some other problem.

thom is an intelligent and articulate fellow, but I too have grown tired of his long-winded rantings on how nikon, canon, sony etc. should be running their businesses. somehow it is refreshing just to go to Ken's site and just read numbers.

photoreddi said:

photoreddi wrote:

photoreddi said:

Richard wrote:

photoreddi said:

photoreddi wrote:

photoreddi said:

Richard wrote:

So for now, I will say bye to Thom and his opinions because when he is not bashing Nikon, he is singing the praises of apple and Ilife which apple no longer innovates like it did with Jobs here. But he is entitled to his opinion, just like I am.

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Idiots are also entitled to have their own opinions and most people .....(other than those that share your rather negative opinions) are likely to value Thom's opinions much more than yours, and in my opinion, they'd be 100% correct.

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And your opinion is not valid either because we would all value Thom's opinion greater than yours because anyone who has an opinion other than Thom's opinion would be an idiot. Is that what I am getting from your opinion? LOL

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I don't know for sure, but you seem to be proving that rule. You're twisting yourself in knots with your own illogic.

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I was making fun of your illogic.

photoreddi said:

Uh, Thom is most decidedly not a "good photography". Neither is he a good photograph. He's a lot more articulate than many people here, but his articles do contain an unusually large number of typos. I hope that your typos are just that, and not an indication of some other problem.

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That is your opinion, but if you are going to judge him, I will make my own judgement and looking at your pictures, you decidedly are not a good photographer either. Though I complement you on spelling and grammar.

Richard said:

Richard wrote:

Richard said:

Tony Beach wrote:

...you spend a lot of time reading his stuff, and way more time criticizing it than I have time to read. I did pick out this one gem from all your verbage though:

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What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.

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What percentage of photographers use Apple?

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A small percentage. If there are 10 computers 1 of them are Apple, even if 20 or even 30 percent photographers are Apple, it is still a tiny percentage.

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First, you are just making up numbers here. Second, accepting for a moment your 20 or 30 percent, that is not a "tiny percentage."

Richard said:

Richard said:

I'm not sure, but I know it's more than the percentage of the rest of the population (and by a substantial amount). There's a reason for this, there may actually be several.

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Please show me,

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Color management and software.

Richard said:

Richard wrote:

Richard said:

sportyaccordy wrote:

Misery loves company. Thom is a click generating troll who knows his audience. I don't bother with his stuff anymore.

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That is a bit harsh don't you thing? I disagree with him on some things, I think he is negative about Nikon but I would not call him a troll. He does a good job on his websites and he is articulate and a good writer.

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Seems like his most popular articles are his most incendiary/inflammatory ones. That might reflect poorly on his readership, but it also reflects poorly on him for exploiting that, either for attention, or more likely site hits.

Tony Beach said:

Tony Beach wrote:

Tony Beach said:

Richard wrote:

Tony Beach said:

Tony Beach wrote:

...you spend a lot of time reading his stuff, and way more time criticizing it than I have time to read. I did pick out this one gem from all your verbage though:

Tony Beach said:

What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.

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What percentage of photographers use Apple?

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A small percentage. If there are 10 computers 1 of them are Apple, even if 20 or even 30 percent photographers are Apple, it is still a tiny percentage.

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First, you are just making up numbers here. Second, accepting for a moment your 20 or 30 percent, that is not a "tiny percentage."

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Just as you make up numbers saying the majority of photographers have apple, but I was saying if 1 of every 10 computers is apple, that means 9 are pc and what I am saying is if out of those stats, We could say that out of 1000 computers, 100 of them are Apple. If Apple has 30 percent more users in the photography space than they have right now (100 users/computers), they would have 130 instead of just 100 computers/users, that is still a tiny percentage percentage increase.

Apple started in the 80's, it still has around 10 percent of the market, the may attract 30 percent more apple users.

But as you said, they are made up numbers. You or I don't know if that percentage is 10 or 30 but I can tell you by some of the poles and other information, we know it is not 50 percent of the people on DPR have Apples

Tony Beach said:

Tony Beach said:

Tony Beach said:

I'm not sure, but I know it's more than the percentage of the rest of the population (and by a substantial amount). There's a reason for this, there may actually be several.

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Please show me,

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Color management and software.

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This may be true in the days of old for Microsoft but hardware color profile calibrators and manufacturers ICC color profiles make things a lot easier now days.

sportyaccordy said:

sportyaccordy wrote:

sportyaccordy said:

Richard wrote:

sportyaccordy said:

sportyaccordy wrote:

Misery loves company. Thom is a click generating troll who knows his audience. I don't bother with his stuff anymore.

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That is a bit harsh don't you thing? I disagree with him on some things, I think he is negative about Nikon but I would not call him a troll. He does a good job on his websites and he is articulate and a good writer.

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Seems like his most popular articles are his most incendiary/inflammatory ones. That might reflect poorly on his readership, but it also reflects poorly on him for exploiting that, either for attention, or more likely site hits.

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That seems like good reasoning to me.

(1) A comparison of Apple & HP laptops, on a photography forum, that neglects mention of the Apple's retina display. Photographers like retina displays--they're a big deal.

(2) A discussion on a photography forum that includes the text "PS Touch . . . may be the first Adobe product I purchase."

Sorry, Richard. (1) and (2) mean that your opinion--which you're entitled to, certainly--is pretty niche.

Listen, have u ever had a chance to hold a six month old Macbbok pro and any of the windows based laptops? One still looks and feels new, the other one looks and feels likes it's on its last leg. Enough said.

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MarkJH wrote:

(1) A comparison of Apple & HP laptops, on a photography forum, that neglects mention of the Apple's retina display. Photographers like retina displays--they're a big deal.

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Most people cannot tell the difference. Double blind test would prove guessing. But if you want a non scientific way to show people are guessing...

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(2) A discussion on a photography forum that includes the text "PS Touch . . . may be the first Adobe product I purchase."

Sorry, Richard. (1) and (2) mean that your opinion--which you're entitled to, certainly--is pretty niche.

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You assume too much. Just because I have never bought Adobe products does not mean I have not owned them or used them. I got several versions (latest is 10) of elements bundled with hardware. I used a non licensed copy when I went to training on photoshop to decide if the price was worth it (it wasn't to me but realize I came from the Corel side of the house a long time ago.) So I have never purchased an Adobe product. I know pros who don't use adobe in their smaller businesses for photography, graphics and window tint. My opinion is not niche. Because of the high price of Photoshop, I would say that many photographers who are not professionals do not own photoshop, I would say the majority. Many get away with using Canons raw editor. I use to use RawShooter essentials 2006, until Adobe bought them out and there are free raw editors out there. The corel version Aftershot pro sells for 49 dollars right now and is much faster because it does not have to catalog all the images before editing, it will edit one image in a folder or catalog the folder, and it uses layers and plug ins.

No.... I have been around the block and been around a while for my opinions not to be niche.

Richard said:

Richard wrote:

Just as you make up numbers saying the majority of photographers have apple,

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I didn't say that.

Richard said:

But as you said, they are made up numbers. You or I don't know if that percentage is 10 or 30 but I can tell you by some of the poles and other information, we know it is not 50 percent of the people on DPR have Apples

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The percentage is irrelevant. The reasons why are relevant, and if you take money out of the equation many of us with Windows computers would choose Apple.

I don't even know who Thom is, to tell the truth. But your comparison of the two laptops is kind of comical.

• One has a 5400 RPM drive; the other a PCI-E based SSD.
• One has Intel Integrated Graphics; the other has nVidia as well as Intel.
• One has 1600x900 display; the other has 2800x1800.
• One has an IPS display; the other does not.
• One has Thunderbolt; the other does not.
• One has USB for expansion; the other has USB and Thunderbolt (and FireWire over that)

For a hard-core photographer or video editor, one of your example machines probably is better suited to the task than the other. For the die-hard Windows user who is a heavy-duty shooter or videographer, I'm not sure a $999 laptop (Mac or Windows) would really be a first choice.

This isn't really a fair comparison of machines, and only serves to dilute your argument.

bgbs said:

bgbs wrote:

Listen, have u ever had a chance to hold a six month old Macbbok pro and any of the windows based laptops? One still looks and feels new, the other one looks and feels likes it's on its last leg. Enough said.

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Yes, I have held many macbook pros, who cares what they feel like.

The statistic below was thrown around, but forget about the 3 year "projection" lets stick to facts. Out of 100 laptops 11 macs had problems, 16 Hp's had problems, but wait, HP produces 250 dollar Walmart Christmas special laptops, by the thousand, not one macbook is below $1000 dollars, and 11 percent have problems?

The 17.3" HP laptop in my example has a 2 year warranty, does Apple put their money where their mouth is? No they quit producing the 17" macbook pro.

When an HP laptop cost half the price of a macbook that macbook better last a long time because you are going to be stuck with it. You will be able to upgrade twice as often with the HP.

I like the feeling of upgrading twice as often for the same amount of money over the feeling of an old macbook pro, but hey, that's just me.