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Better IQ than G1x
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papillon_65
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I personally don't believe you'll find anything with a kit lens better than the G1-X.
Hi Krugman,
You can buy a very well spec'd APSC DSLR with a better quality kit zoom for around $1500. You can also buy an APSC mirror-less like the Fuji XE1 with the excellent 18-55 2.8 - 4 zoom lens for under $1500. Both have a bigger sensor and an IQ advantage over the G1X.
If you want a more compact camera with a retracting zoom lens, then I don't know of one that delivers better IQ than the G1X.
Cheers, Rod
You can buy a very well spec'd APSC DSLR with a better quality kit zoom for around $1500. You can also buy an APSC mirror-less like the Fuji XE1 with the excellent 18-55 2.8 - 4 zoom lens for under $1500. Both have a bigger sensor and an IQ advantage over the G1X.
If you want a more compact camera with a retracting zoom lens, then I don't know of one that delivers better IQ than the G1X.
Cheers, Rod
Catalin Stavaru
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Go to DxoMark and pick any Canon Rebel and compare it to the G1X (my favorite is 100D). Much better with much less sluggishness.
papillon_65
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The IQ of the 100D with kit lens doesn't match the G1-X, at least mine doesn't anyway.
KLinLA
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Most any modernish Canon DSLR can be better than G1X, but you'd need something other than a kit lens. Adding something like a 17-55mm f2.8 to a DSLR body could be done for around the $1500 you mentioned. I believe, but not certain, this is true for EOS M as well.
You could also consider one of the mirrorless/m43 if smaller size is important. A micro 4-3rds with Lumix 14-42 pancake is roughly similar/smaller size, but IMHO still slightly poorer IQ. But you'd get better responsiveness (faster focus) and have flexibility of different lens combos.
If you are willing to consider camera with fixed and non-zoom lens, a Fuji X100S would be similar to G1X IQ wise, and might even be better to some eyes.
You could also consider one of the mirrorless/m43 if smaller size is important. A micro 4-3rds with Lumix 14-42 pancake is roughly similar/smaller size, but IMHO still slightly poorer IQ. But you'd get better responsiveness (faster focus) and have flexibility of different lens combos.
If you are willing to consider camera with fixed and non-zoom lens, a Fuji X100S would be similar to G1X IQ wise, and might even be better to some eyes.
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papillon_65
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Not really true, the newest m4/3's camera have nearly a stop more dynamic range, a touch more colour depth (not noticeably different) and very similar high ISO performance to the 70D. Other things come into play like colour preference (which I prefer on the Canons) but m4/3's does have the edge. I had the OMD E-M5 and it has better dynamic range than my 5D2 at base ISO.
You can pick up an E-M5 for a decent price now the E-M1 is out.
KLinLA
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Yes G1X has slightly poorer DR. Here, I was referring to overall image quality with regards to m43 bodies with the Lumix 14-42mm pancake lens.
papillon_65
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No, all Canon APS-C bodies have poorer DR than the newer M4/3's bodies, do you want me to show you? it's very easy to prove. The G1-X has just under a stop less dynamic range than the 70D, that's why I use ND grads on it when I need to, it usually solves the problem. Of course you can also change lenses on any m4/3's camera and APS-C DSLR, which is the main reason for going that route.
Superzoom2
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I would think any Canon DSLR with their 15-85 would make a pretty compelling set-up. Very good to excellent IQ with DSLR handling. Useful focal length range and should squeak under your $ limit. Different pros and cons, of course, compared to G1X, but very competent.
nolten
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I've tested my G1X against much of the current Canon lineup. It all comes down to the lens you choose on the SLR. My 7D and SL1 pretty much equal the G1X when using a 15-85 lens. The 15-85 will best the G1X lens towards the longer end of their focal ranges. Pick a macro or telephoto or super wide and you can do what the G1X can't.
To the original question, for $1500 you can buy a good condition 5D classic and a new or used 24-105L lens and you will get better image quality. Both will yield about the same horizontal resolution and sharpness but the 24-105 lens is slightly better and the 5D sensor is slightly better. You have to look 100% to see it.
So, for $1500 an SL1 + 15-85 will equal it and a 5Dc + 24-105 will best it. Not a bad comparison for a 1 lb $650 P&S, if you ask me. I love my G1X and happily use it side by side with my 5D3. When hiking I often pair my G1X with an SL1 and 55-250. 3 lbs weight, a good landscape camera and a good telephoto/action camera and no lens changes.
I'm sure the M4/3 cameras are good too but I've never tried them.
To the original question, for $1500 you can buy a good condition 5D classic and a new or used 24-105L lens and you will get better image quality. Both will yield about the same horizontal resolution and sharpness but the 24-105 lens is slightly better and the 5D sensor is slightly better. You have to look 100% to see it.
So, for $1500 an SL1 + 15-85 will equal it and a 5Dc + 24-105 will best it. Not a bad comparison for a 1 lb $650 P&S, if you ask me. I love my G1X and happily use it side by side with my 5D3. When hiking I often pair my G1X with an SL1 and 55-250. 3 lbs weight, a good landscape camera and a good telephoto/action camera and no lens changes.
I'm sure the M4/3 cameras are good too but I've never tried them.
Kevin Coppalotti
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In december 2011 this is what dp review said about the sony nex7:
"It's no stretch to say that, at its best, the NEX-7 offers the finest still image quality of any APS-C camera, bar none."
"It's no stretch to say that, at its best, the NEX-7 offers the finest still image quality of any APS-C camera, bar none."
Greg Gebhardt
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Really!
But that's a 2 year old camera. Better ones come out all the time. And who knows if sony is going to kill their nex line in favor of alphas and their a3000 style camera.
Grobb
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Here are two that I believe would put the G1-X to shame in both IQ and lens flexibility for less than $1300 with Kit fixed lens:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/1...sony-cyber-shot-rx10-first-impressions-review (talk about a quality and versatile fixed lens camera!!!)
AND, there is always the GX7 if you are really interested in getting a very high quality system camera. http://www.dpreview.com/products/Panasonic/slrs/panasonic_dmcgx7
AND, with the GX7, you can put any high quality lens you want on it for ANY situation! They are also MUCH faster when it comes to AF and processing times. The G1-X is only for shooting static objects. period. Unless you want a camera that is only good for shooting still images, get something much more recent that is much more future proof. The G1-X is old and obsolete, there are many more recent cameras that can do just as good and better for less money and are much more versatile!
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papillon_65
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How on earth could you know how good (or bad) the RX10 is ? for a start it has a smaller sensor and a longer range so I very much doubt it will put the G1-X "to shame", or even match in the range of the G-1X. Of course the GX7 and 20mm will perform well but then you need to buy at least one more lens to match the range of the G-1X and if it's one of the m4/3's kit lenses then it won't match the lens on the G1-X in my experience. I have a Canon 5D2 and several lenses and that doesn't put the G1-X "to shame" at all, in fact often it's a lot closer than you would think and that's a full frame camera with a very decent sensor.
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Grobb
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The RX10 has the same sensor that the RX100 II has, and it IS a great sensor and 20MP vs 14MP.
The lens on the RX10 has a 24–200 mm, F2.8 over the entire focal range vs a 28–112 mm, F2.8 - F5.8 lens. So, the lens on the RX10 completely blows the G1X lens away!
Then, there is the much more superior GX7 that will accommodate just about ANY focal length lens you would like have. All you need to do is decide which focal length(s) you want to have and at what quality you can afford. However, this is a system camera that will take you to that next level if you are prepared to go there. If you are not at that stage yet, the RX10 would be more practical.
PS, if your Canon 5D2 and several (expensive) lenses do not put the G1X to shame, you should really consider getting rid of them ;-)
papillon_65
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And you think lens speed is all that counts? The G1-X sensor is significantly larger than the RX-10 so by your logic the G1-X "blows away" the RX-10. The performance of the lens on the G1-X is excellent all the way through the range, the longer the lens the harder that is to achieve. Of course by your own melodramatic description the G1-X clearly "blows away the RX-10", whose performance you don't even know about yet. I couldn't say either way except to say that the G1-X won't be "blown away" unless Sony have managed to defy the laws of physics ;-)
"much more superior"? try the the GX7 with any m4/3's kit lens against the G1-X and I can guarantee it won't be "much more superior". Differences in performance either way are marginal at best.
Not really, I just don't use such hyperbole as "blows away" and "much more superior" when in reality the differences are more about what the format can do as opposed to some kind of mythical performance. I leave such hyperbole to fans of WWF and yourself ;-)
Grobb
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OK, now I’m going to have to prove my point, sorry if I go over your head or get too technical for you:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Comp...brand2)/Sony/(appareil3)/769|0/(brand3)/Canon
But there is you proof regarding which sensors are better and more efficient. Let me know if you need still don't understand or need any more proof or clarification.
I never said to compare the GX7 with only it’s “kit lens”, try the 12-35 and 35-100 Panasonic zoom lenses that cover a focal range of 24-200mm range with a constant f2.8 aperture!!! Do you think that combination would out do the G1X in both IQ and lens quality? This should be interesting;-)
So, now that I have proven that the sensors in the GX7 and RX10 are better and more efficient. I have also explained to you that putting quality zoom lenses on the GX7 will be much better than the lens on the G1X. If you still disagree with me, there is no hope for you and a waste of my time trying to explain to you the facts of physics an new technology.
PS, I still think if you can't get better pictures out of you FF Canon 5D2 and all those expensive lenses you have then you can with the G1X, your photographic skills are extremely lacking an you should get rid of them, immediately if not sooner:-O
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Superzoom2
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The price of a GX7 with the 12-35 lens it quite a bit out of the original poster's stated price range.
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