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After a previous discussion and my opinion that Thom is quite negative and a personal message from him, I decided to revisit his website and see if I could find a more positive thread that did not include Nikon bashing. I found a this. http://www.gearophile.com/newsviews/of-personal-computers-and.html

Which is Thom's view of the world of cameras and computers. What I find is that our views are very different. I think he is out of touch with technology. So I dissected his views with some of my own.

First he said "Both PCs and cameras are deep into incremental updating, and both see fewer and lower benefits from the increments."

I agree 100 percent, I think that this is the primary reason people are not updating that with bad economy. But if the economy were good we would still see less upgrading because there are less reasons to upgrade.

Next "Apple's announcements may not have seemed like a lot at the user level—some new incremental models, a bunch of software updates—but at the core of all it was a shift that I think everyone in the tech industry probably noted and had a few shivers over. By taking software to free and pushing it further into integration between devices"

First, I would hardly call Apples new models incremental. They have done next to nothing. Free software... The price of Apple computers is often double that of other brands.

Before we get into this I regret that I am getting old, I have given into the fact that bigger displays and buttons are things I desire, but I also think that older people are the ones with more disposable income and are a majority of the people buying computers and cameras. I think we are the largest sales as be buy for ourselves and gifts for our children.

Compare this $999 HP touchscreen 17" laptop with 2 year warranty add $300 to upgrade to 1080p screen, nice video card and Microsoft office Home/Student 2013 also add 400 dollars for a 512gbSSD (which is in addition to the 1tb drive in the second drive bay) 1599 total.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/ho...7t-j100-Quad-Edition-Notebook-PC-ENERGY-STAR-

To this $2599 15" macbook pro

http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=ME294LL/A&step=config

Please show me the "free" software...... Nothing is for free, the price of the software is buried in the overpriced hardware

Next "and all tied together through iCloud is something that even Microsoft is going to have a tough time matching"

But I don't want to be tied into something that locks me only into Apples overpriced products. I know people who spend thousands on Itunes. Box.net gives me 50gb of free data that can synchronize my data between my laptop, desktop, phone and pad. Dropbox allows me 2.25gb and does the same thing. I bought a 3tb WD Live hard drive that allows me to access my home files from the internet, all without being locked into the overpriced Apple "I" hardware.

Next "Samsung can certainly match Apple gadget for gadget, device for device, screen for screen."

This is not true, Samsung smokes Apple for innovation. Apple has the Iphone 5c 32gb for $299, which has no innovation, they put on a thumbprint scanner that has been on HP laptops for 5 years. But ok, nice feature. Samsung for that same $299 has the Note 3. Which has 32gb, you can add 64gb micro SD card for 50 bucks, It has a stylus and a Wacom style touchpad designed with Wacoms help, I think this will go over well with photographers. 13mp camera, the ability to run two different apps on the same screen. I am hoping the PS touch will work with the Wacom touchpad and stylus like it does on the pad devices. If so it may be the first Adobe product I will purchase.

Next "The big question mark at Samsung, though, is software. They're getting better at it, but because they are so much in total experiment or total mimic mode, there doesn't seem to be any clarity with where they're going with software"

Really? the Air command and Air gestures are software features that are unique to Samsung. They are inovating, they are no longer "mimic" Apple

Here is the kicker "The longer they can't come to grips with the emerging cloud/device connected world, the more tempting it will be for companies like Apple to reach up and grab that market away from them. TV sets are on Apple's horizon for grabbing (at least the high end) away from the current players. Given that they've got Final Cut Pro, Aperture, iPhoto, iCloud Photo Sharing, a smartphone camera design group, how long will it be before Apple decides to disrupt the camera market, too?"

Thom perspective is Apple centric, he dismisses the rest of the world because it does not fit into his apple centric universe. What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.

Iphone is not innovating, neither is Apple. Apple attempts to lock people in and make the "I"people is failing. Iphone sales are sliding http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/03/technology/mobile/apple-market-share/

Android market share is 52 percent over Apples 39 percent. Samsung phone market share continues to increase.

So I am not saying Thom is wrong, I am saying his vision is skewed by his rose colored apple shaped sunglasses.

He thinks that Apple holds the future with integration but I don't think this is right, the numbers show differently, innovation which was once apples forte was lost with Steve Jobs. You can have integration for a lot less or even free in some cases without being locked into the overpriced "I"life.

So for now, I will say bye to Thom and his opinions because when he is not bashing Nikon, he is singing the praises of apple and Ilife which apple no longer innovates like it did with Jobs here. But he is entitled to his opinion, just like I am.
 
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Primitive tribalism ITT.
 
Richard wrote:

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So for now, I will say bye to Thom and his opinions because when he is not bashing Nikon, he is singing the praises of apple and Ilife which apple no longer innovates like it did with Jobs here. But he is entitled to his opinion, just like I am.
Idiots are also entitled to have their own opinions and some of them may even be good, valid opinions. But the validity and usefulness of your opinions, my opinions, Thom's opinions and an idiot's opinions aren't all equivalent, and most people (other than those that share your rather negative opinions) are likely to value Thom's opinions much more than yours, and in my opinion, they'd be 100% correct.

I think that it would be reasonable to assume that even though you wrote "ByeThom", you'll look for and find many opportunities to continue the "Thom bashing" that drives you so.
 
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...you spend a lot of time reading his stuff, and way more time criticizing it than I have time to read. I did pick out this one gem from all your verbage though:
What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.
What percentage of photographers use Apple? I'm not sure, but I know it's more than the percentage of the rest of the population (and by a substantial amount). There's a reason for this, there may actually be several.
 
Tony Beach wrote:

...you spend a lot of time reading his stuff, and way more time criticizing it than I have time to read. I did pick out this one gem from all your verbage though:
What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.
What percentage of photographers use Apple? I'm not sure, but I know it's more than the percentage of the rest of the population (and by a substantial amount). There's a reason for this, there may actually be several.
I do not think market share is any indication of anything at all. Both worst and best are few.
 
Thom can sometimes be negative, which of course means he is also sometimes positive.

Thom earns money from his websites, which is warranted because he does provide a great deal of information, some valuable to some and some valuable to others. When you provide value you are entitled to get value in return. That is what we all do to earn money. Some may have no real value at all, like a rant here and there. So what. Take what is good for you and disregard the rest. I don't think that Thom is trying to make apostles. He is just giving his opinion for the reader to take or leave.

I read visit Thom's sites periodically even though I disagree with his point of views sometimes. To me the great value of inquiry and research is that I come across opinion that are different from mine. That does not make them wrong. It only makes them different. I try to keep an open mind about anything that cannot be qualified as a fact. Sometimes other people's opinion cause me to think about my own. Sometimes their opinions cause me to alter my own opinions. What I never do is reject a person's opinions out of hand unless they are certifiably idiotic, like some we get to read in these forums at times.

I think it is safe to say that Thom is not an idiot. It is even safer to say that he is rather intelligent, a good communicator, technically competent, and vey opinionated. That latter quality is most likely what drives him to investigate, evaluate, and conclude.

For years I looked to Thom's opinions about Nikon gear because I was a a Nikon centric pro. When I got into very involved with µ4/3 I learned a lot at his Sans Mirror website. What amazes me is how much information he has provided to so many. I value his efforts and respect his opinions, even the one's I disagree with.

Finally, the OP (Richard) expressed his dissatisfaction with Apple and the value of its integration capabilities. I have to disagree with him. So we have Richard v. Richard on that point. I dropped PCs and Windows when Windows 98 was released. What an utter failure that was. I went to Mac and have been happily there ever since. I don't mind paying more for the fabulously easy integration that Apple products provide. I have an iMac, Macbook, iPad, and iPhone. I use Apple's iCloud service. All my devices are connected through it. How hard was it set up? One click on each device. How hard is it to maintain? You don't have to maintain it. It just does its job without needing to be kicked. In 2008, as part of an assignment I was working on for months, I had to use both Windows XP and Windows 7 on a Sony laptops. I had to integrate data between them. UGH! I won't elaborate, but I did so much more appreciate my Apple gear after that. I pay more for Apple because I enjoy using it, and I never say UGH when doing so.

The above is just my opinion. Take it or leave it. I am not trying to convert anyone.
 
I have to say I think Thom is just about spot on.

I can't comment on Windows or Samsung as unfortunately we are a 100% Apple household.

People can knock Apple all they like but they are still hugely successful and very disruptive in the marketplace.
 
Re Thom, just one example of his acumen; he was writing about the collapse of the point & shoot camera market due to smart phones over two years ago, when all the camera makers were forecasting that their market share would hold up or increase. He has since been proved to have been absolutely correct.

Re your HP versus Apple comparison. A few years ago my elder son bought himself a HP portable for approximately £500, I bought a macbook for £800. His HP failed completely when it was about 15 months old, my macbook is still in use.
 
Iliah Borg wrote:
Tony Beach wrote:

...you spend a lot of time reading his stuff, and way more time criticizing it than I have time to read. I did pick out this one gem from all your verbage though:
What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.
What percentage of photographers use Apple? I'm not sure, but I know it's more than the percentage of the rest of the population (and by a substantial amount). There's a reason for this, there may actually be several.
I do not think market share is any indication of anything at all.
Mostly it's an indication of marketing; but then there's that saying, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." I think with photographers there are reasons other than marketing to choose Apple over the others. I'm still stuck with Windows in part because it's more affordable, and in part (related) because of my existing software; but I would prefer to get an Apple.
Both worst and best are few.
In the middle the vast majority are satisfied with adequate.
 
Misery loves company. Thom is a click generating troll who knows his audience. I don't bother with his stuff anymore.
 
Tony Beach wrote:

...you spend a lot of time reading his stuff, and way more time criticizing it than I have time to read. I did pick out this one gem from all your verbage though:
What he does not understand is Apple as far as computers is less than 10 percent market share since the day the first started, there is a reason for this.
What percentage of photographers use Apple?
A small percentage. If there are 10 computers 1 of them are Apple, even if 20 or even 30 percent photographers are Apple, it is still a tiny percentage.
I'm not sure, but I know it's more than the percentage of the rest of the population (and by a substantial amount). There's a reason for this, there may actually be several.
Please show me, there have been some who have made links on to photographs on dpr and have shared stats as to what browers/systems hit them, it was not more than 30 percent.
 
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...don't forget computers are in serious decline. Especially domestically.

The iPhone and iPad have done more to move people away from computers onto mobile devices than anything else....
 
Sonyshine wrote:

...don't forget computers are in serious decline. Especially domestically.

The iPhone and iPad have done more to move people away from computers onto mobile devices than anything else....
Not really, not yet. Do you edit your photos on a phone or tablet? No, I seen the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is the first phone combined with PS touch that I would even consider editing photos on, so every photographer has to have a computer. I do see phones and tablets as they become more powerful a possible future for editing. I agree that for web browsing, email, and facebook, these have taken away from the traditional computer.
 
Richard wrote:
Sonyshine wrote:

...don't forget computers are in serious decline. Especially domestically.

The iPhone and iPad have done more to move people away from computers onto mobile devices than anything else....
Not really, not yet. Do you edit your photos on a phone or tablet? No, I seen the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is the first phone combined with PS touch that I would even consider editing photos on, so every photographer has to have a computer. I do see phones and tablets as they become more powerful a possible future for editing. I agree that for web browsing, email, and facebook, these have taken away from the traditional computer.
Keep up! I edit many photos on my iPad using iPhoto or Snapseed. It works a treat. you should catch up with Apple tech sometime. :-)
 
Richard Weisgrau wrote:

Thom can sometimes be negative, which of course means he is also sometimes positive.
Lately more negative.
Thom earns money from his websites, which is warranted because he does provide a great deal of information, some valuable to some and some valuable to others. When you provide value you are entitled to get value in return. That is what we all do to earn money.
I agree, I don't devalue his contribution, I disagree with his viewpoint and thus for me put less weight on his opinions. My ByeThom was a play on byThom trying to be funny. I am not saying I will never read any of his stuff again, just less weight.
I read visit Thom's sites periodically even though I disagree with his point of views sometimes.
See above
For years I looked to Thom's opinions about Nikon gear because I was a a Nikon centric pro.
I use to as well. Now not so much
When I got into very involved with µ4/3 I learned a lot at his Sans Mirror website. What amazes me is how much information he has provided to so many. I value his efforts and respect his opinions, even the one's I disagree with.

Finally, the OP (Richard) expressed his dissatisfaction with Apple and the value of its integration capabilities. I have to disagree with him. So we have Richard v. Richard on that point.
So we agree to disagree.
I had to integrate data between them. UGH! I won't elaborate, but I did so much more appreciate my Apple gear after that. I pay more for Apple because I enjoy using it, and I never say UGH when doing so.
I say that when trying to integrate apple and business because most business is windows. I say Ugh.
The above is just my opinion. Take it or leave it. I am not trying to convert anyone.
My opinions to. I am glad apple works for you. As long as you are willing to pay for it, not an issue.
 

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